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RE: SMTs Release Dates!

in #steem3 years ago (edited)

Too bad we don't have a prediction market, I'd make a fucking killing off you dreamers.

You really can't even take the time to add an image to your profile? Great job guys!

"Largest cryptocurrency community in the world"...@ned must have written that one, eh? More bullshit.


Why don't you dare to take a bet against this date. Give the team 1 Bitcoin if they could pull the trigger until Testnet of January 2019... what can you say?

Development takes longer then you seem to think NextGen. The crypto mindset of everything moves fast is just not realistic. Sure pump and dump scams move fast, but that's because there's nothing actually coming.

Why does this blog need an avatar? Is there even a point to that?

I dunno, we've all been around for this long, patience will either be rewarded or not. I'm thinking it will be, because the competition isn't exactly delivering ideas I think will be remotely workable.


Thanks but I'm perfectly aware of how a qualified dev team functions and how fast new functionality can be delivered. HF20 is the first release in well over a year, and there's literally nothing of significance in it. That speaks volumes to me.

Why do you have an avatar? Is there a point to it? It's called looking professional, or at least making an effort.

I feel like stemit,Inc focus on the wrong problem. What the point to have a good blockchain when you don't have a good social media platform?

The more we go the more I don't like steem. No one reads what you write, there is no sense of communities...

People read what I write. I love several communities. It takes time, building an audience and it doesn't help if you don't write English well.

Hang in there, you've acheived 61 some how.

check out steempeak,com as an alternative front end.

Well I can't speak to what has been going on internally at steemit Inc, or the difficulties they may have had in development of SMTs or Community functionality while maintaining network security. Nor can I speak to their effectiveness of hiring or getting new programmers up to speed/the slowdowns wrought by loss of programmers.

Should they have released something over the past year? Yeah, however I don't know how interwoven the various things they are concocting are, and how much code replacement they would have to do as they roll things out. IE releasing things piecemeal could have been a waste of time.

You, likely do have more insight on this then I do. I can only attest to the slowness of good development based on my life's experiences working for a small pharmaceutical.

Your criticism is certainly valid, I'm not trying to say it isn't. More sometimes, shit happens and things just take a long time. If the product actually ends up being good, then patience pays off.

Why do you have an avatar? Is there a point to it?

When you've stupidly chosen the name 'justtryme90' it's necessary to put a happy face somewhere to present at least some appearence of not being an asshole. The username certainly indicates I would be.

In the end though, I have one because it's fun. It's not necessary really, but it makes me happy. I don't know that if I had nothing, my output would be any less professional. But certainly the appearence wouldn't be as nice.

Bernie is in the industry long enough to know how long it takes for developing certain things. Thats why he is frustrated (me included) with the current situation.

He doesn't need you to come to his defense.

love the paradox

I don't see one

I totally agree with you. Workable development takes time and a lot of planning. Sustainable projects must be carefully planned and executed irrespective of the impatience of some people. . Waiting might be weary but that won't matter as long as it is worth the while

Yep, I mean no disrespect to NGC, he's always been nice to me. However a good product does indeed take time to develop properly. You are right on.

There is a saying that goes this "the patient dog eat the fattest bone". I think the team has really done a good job.

steemstem would have it's own steem like token I guess.

We are waiting on the release of SMTs much like many others. Lots of stuff is being planned for steemSTEM, but for that you will have to wait and see. ;)

I have learn how to wait over years, and this one isn't an exception. We will be glad when it's finally comes around.


Still the only website that pays me for posts and comments. Life is good, when I stop and think about it.

Over the past six months, we have been making significant changes to our company, in regards to hiring more amazing talent, updating our culture around making and achieving dates on our deliverables, and improving our process so that we can produce more high-quality code, at a faster rate, with greater predictability in our schedule. Being able to communicate to the community what we are planning to do and when it will be delivered has been one of our number one goals in 2018.

We’ve already delivered several products like Hivemind 1.0 and AppBase which contains the underpinnings required to ship three different products: Communities, Velocity, and SMTs. AppBase does this not only by modularizing the plugin infrastructure, but also establishing much needed primitive types like NAIs.

After seeing the level of excitement that has gathered around Smart Media Tokens, the team wanted to be absolutely certain that when we announced dates, they were ones we could confidently meet. That is why we have not provided a date until today. With all of the changes we have made internally, we now feel confident the deadlines we are giving today are ones we will meet.

There are several blockchains that support prediction markets. If you really feel that strongly in our inability to meet the deadlines we have set, you are welcome to open up a bet ;)

As always, all feedback is much appreciated.

@andrachy much has been said recently of top witnesses not running a full copy of the blockchain on their respective nodes. Can you address how this could potentially impact the performance of the blockchain once SMTs go live?

As a very early adopter, I'd really love to see STEEM/Steemit succeed and become something much greater, but I'm concerned the resource requirement which these new features and products will draw compared to the apathy and refusal by Witnesses to host a full copy of the STEEM blockchain could bog the transaction times down to that of Ethereum or Bitcoin.

First of all, to clarify - running a witness node, and running a "full" RPC node are two different things. Often the witnesses are the ones who run full RPC nodes, but technically speaking they are not the same. (Not all witnesses run full nodes, and not all full nodes are run by the witnesses.)

In terms of the system requirements for running nodes (both witness and full RPC) the development team provided a lot of information about this back in this post.

If SMTs lead to more adoption and more transactions on the blockchain, then that will ultimately lead to higher requirements for running nodes. The hope is that greater adoption will lead to increase in price, but it is not a guarantee. That is always going to be a risk for the economics of running a node.

The cost of running a witness node is still relatively low, and even with some extreme growth - it should still remain reasonable for top witnesses to afford running a witness node for the foreseeable future, assuming we don't see an extremely drastic reduction in price.

As far as full RCP nodes, those could start to get a lot more expensive if the memory requirements exceed 512 GB of RAM, but from what I've heard the development team is planning on expanding the RocksDB implementation (that was recently adopted for account history) to support the other operations as well - which should significantly help with the memory requirements for those nodes.

Steemit Inc / @steemitblog have claimed that full RPC nodes require 32 GB to 64 GB of RAM post RocksDB/AppBase/0.19.1x, and that the recommended configuration is shared-memory on NVMe/Optane disks even for full nodes. RocksDB is repeatedly heralded as "on-disk" solution. (Source; and Source)

I'm not aware of this being verified independently, however. Either way, for 0.19.10+ the "512 GB RAM" requirements are questionable, at best; obsolete most likely. I have no reason to believe Steemit Inc. are lying.

In short, the cost of running a witness node is very low and you get paid. The cost of running a full node is insanely high and you don't get paid.

A full node costs $700-$1,000/month, and soon to be much much more. It's not cheap, yet a witness node costs $60 and pays anywhere from $0 to $100K+/year. Not saying top 20 shouldn't run one, but it shows the flaw in the system.

A full node has nothing to do with witnessing, and this is coming from some who manages 4 full nodes. Full nodes are a dev project, and a project the size of DTube shouldn't be using public nodes and should have their own, just like any large projects, especially with 2M free delegation.

Public nodes serve one purpose, they allow small projects to bootstrap and avoid the crippling expense of a full node allowing them to bootstrap. Once you get large enough, you should be using your own private full nodes to sustain your project not leaching off the very few public full nodes that are available and overwhelmed.

Hi, why full node cost so much? what bandwidth/month please?

Because of the ram requirements (512GB+)

I agree. This needs to be addressed.

Hey Tim,

Should you and other top witnesses not setting price feed bias percentages, with a SBD Debt Ratio at 6+% ... there is to much steem being printed.

Or is it that you and the witnesses know this an play dumb? Because at 10% the SBD floor will be gone, and a bail-in is just what you guys want so that users and community be pickpocketed?

Who else is going to pay to bring that 15+ million SBD Debt down? Who is going to burn it?

Looking forward to your answer.

This is extremely off topic for this thread, but I will reply non-the-less.

I am not planning to use a price feed bias as this time. I am not playing dumb. I am aware of the economics behind SBD and have written quite a few posts about the topic. I also submitted two pull requests to update the SBD economics as part of hardfork 20.

There is little need right now to "burn the debt". The market has demonstrated over the past several months that there has actually been a demand for more SBD. A short-term change in the cryptocurrency markets is not enough to warrant any drastic policy changes.

Even if the debt limit exceeds 10%, that is not the end of the world. The price of SBD has been sustained for a prolonged period without traders even using the conversion function. If conversions are not supported at 1 SBD to $1 worth of STEEM for some time - that does not necessarily mean the market will not be able support the peg based on demand alone.

I'm not really sure what you are referring to as a bail-out. I have heard no such thing being discussed, and it doesn't sound like something I would support.

In terms of the absolute worst case scenario of what could happen, the debt ratio could significantly go past the 10% mark, and the market may see that as too substantial of a risk, and no longer support the peg. At that point the SBD peg would become broken (well, more broken than it already has been, given that it has not really been at a stable $1 USD price for quite some time). The risk here is 100% on SBD holders, and poses little risk for holders of STEEM. This is really more of a "hypothetical what-if" though, and not something I believe has a high probability of happening.

Tim, thank you for your reply,

The bear market has significant downward pressure on steem and also sbd.
Because of this, the market value has dropped also significantly.

This is a new situation because, with 15+ million sbd debt and the market cap in a downward spiral, they will meet each other at 10%. Because we stopped printing sbd's at 5% there is more steem created. Which re-enforce the downward pressure on steem. What we see is that even when steem price is rising, the market cap is still coming down. Price Feed Bias is created as control mechanism to keep stability.

Your proposal to extend the debt ratio from 2-5% to 9-10% is like opening the door for a "Black Swan" event to happen. Before the HF20 we could already be above 10%. Will you put HF20 on hold?

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

At 10%+ we break the SBD floor, this means sbd will free float and could go to zero. And your mention that only the sbd bagholders will feel the pain? Is just not true, in a scenario like this, steem would go to zero first, followed by the sbd bagholders. Remember, SBD is not being printed, but steem is, more and more. It's like holding a little bird in your fist, and sqeeze all the life out of it.

Then there is only one more thing to do, and that's close the door on our way out.

Based on some of your comments, I don’t know if you fully understand how SBD works.. I’ll try to do a post in the next few days to cover the topic and hopefully your concerns.

It's a problem but I don't see it going to zero. I see it going back to the pennies it was last year which is still pretty bad.

Agreed... can be really really bad, for everyone...

Here is a more useful question. Will interest again be applied to SBD so that people have a reason to hold that? Is there anything which can be done to drive demand for SBD and Steem?

The downward pressure is is a real problem. It makes life harder for everyone including witnesses.

I have no immediate plans to add interest for SBD. I don’t think it is necessary under current conditions.

Generating demand for STEEM and generating demand for SBD are largely unrelated.

As far as increasing demand for STEEM, my most recent post is touching on the subject. The short answer though is that it is everyone’s responsibility.

An interesting question to think about, because many stakeholders think this way - if someone’s content is not generating more demand for STEEM, should it even be getting paid?

You give great comments based on knowledge and experience. Thanks!

Glad you came in to clear a few things up, Tim. Always good to see you coming in with the wisdom.

@timcliff I appreciate the response, however I think the question remains. How would the decision by the Witnesses not run the full RPC node impact the performance of the STEEM blockchain once SMTs go live? Will we begin to see transaction times closer to Ethereum and Bitcoin or will it be negligable?

The transaction times are three seconds, and they will remain so even with significant growth.

@timcliff thanks for the response. Honestly, as a non-technical person I have no idea how any of this impacts the performance of the blockchain and I appreciate the insights you’re providing.

So are you saying steem is getting in over its head with SMTs?

I don't know how you got that from what I said. No, that is not my assessment.

Quoting one of my favorite videos I watched recently by @dhenz: "when prices go low, people start asking weird questions."

can we get a post about STEEMIT Inc team , who is in it and what not...

That would be interesting. The management is unclear to mees

Keep working hard team, now is the time to put in the work as we're finding the bottom and eventually rise for new highs in cryptoeconomy - The next boom will have everyone thinking about crypto and we better have our product ready and shining.

There's really no point in wasting your time trying to explain anything to him.

He appears to hate Steemit, but it sure as fuck doesn't stop him from posting utter shit and taking the money.

And I'm going to make sure nobody sees your posts or comments moving forward. Learn to keep your mouth shut. Dumb fuck.

If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. Beotch.

You should take your own advice. It's funny how you cry so fucking much about the state of Steemit and appear to want to make it better, yet used 'abuse reports' and your own fucking witness account to downvote my shit. All because you don't agree with me. Hilarious.

They couldn't be bothered putting a https:// infront of the whitepaper link either.

Im glad and very happy about this development. Maybe this announcement wont change the cause of the bear market but at least it may get the short sellers off this asset. The idea of increasing access into the blockchain isnt bad either. Besides, we need to see steem more as a medium of exchange than an investment asset.

I was just about to ask where can i short this..

It can last for a minute if you cut it :D oh, you meant stock? :P

You could try

Content Director, Steemit

hahahahaha! Im willing to lose if it means SMT does finally launch with no hiccups.

Do you know @ganjafarmer? I work with him we want to make a SMT

Ahahaa...Pardon my sense of humor!That tickled.

We are but Lemmings full of hopium Bernie. We follow our lead lemming Ned to the cliff and over the edge. Didn't you read that in the new Terms o Service you had to click on accept in order to be able to read?

we now feel confident the deadlines we are giving today are ones we will meet

I would love to hear "going to" rather than "will". Still wishing you guys all the best :)

I'd think you can easily create one on Augur.