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RE: Playing Devil's Advocate: Why Steem HF23 is NOT THEFT!

in #steem5 years ago

I wonder... I get the reasoning... BUT.

How can you steal something he didn't own in the first place. I mean, he was told in advance that he wouldn't be getting any Hive. I don't see how that would be theft.

The value of Hive at the creation was basically 0. No-one could have known beforehand it would even appreciate. Justin also didn't invest in Hive, he invested in Steem. So if the so-called theft happened in the time of the fork, we would have stolen exactly $0 from Justin.

On the other hand, Steem as a currency token did already have established worth, it was also longer on a blockchain, but a on simple centralized ledger, and Justin took away millions of dollars from their owners.

I'd like to point out that since it isn't a blockchain anymore, the "country" argument kind of falls flat.

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How can you steal something he didn't own in the first place.

Using the same logic, no one owned Steem coins on HF23; this was a also a totally new coin, and the users were told in advance that they wouldn't be getting any.

We confuse this issue because they kept the same branding, but the code is different and not backwards compatible like a soft-fork.

I'd like to point out that since it isn't a blockchain anymore, the "country" argument kind of falls flat.

You better not live in America, or otherwise you are showcasing your ignorance of your government's ultimate imperialist tactics that seek to control everything. When we install a puppet government somewhere that place is no longer a country? Get real.

That is exactly what happened here. Imperialist pig Justin Sun invaded Steem and installed a puppet government. It's still a country... it's just a weak country that's being controlled by another entity.

Using the same logic, no one owned Steem coins on HF23; this was a also a totally new coin, and the users were told in advance that they wouldn't be getting any.

You forget, that the HF22 chain was destroyed in the process, there was nothing left for those people who owned those coins. Effectively this meant they lost. Telling them beforehand didn't help because they weren't even given the option to keep their coins, Justin had power over all the top 20 witnesses remember. Also, Justin still has his Steem, he never lost it. Your logic is faulty.

When we install a puppet government somewhere that place is no longer a country?

Apples and oranges. Blockchain, not a country either.

Yeah, you can't delete open-source code that exists on hundreds of servers.
You're really out of your element on this one.

This community split has 2 sides: Hive vs Steem.
Both sides changed their distribution to nullify the top players of the other community.
This is how DPOS works; end of story.

People who think there should be some magical third community that rescues a fork where both Hive and Steem whales both have stake? You're living in a fantasy land; no one wants to be a part of that community, which is exactly why that fork is dead.

Not going to argue this when I'm almost asleep.

All I want to ask is:

Did all the guys who lost Steem have the blockchain saved on their servers, and if they did, do they still have Steem, or some other cryptocurrency?

Every Steem node has a record of what happened. It can't be erased. Anyone who wants to start producing blocks on HF22 is free to do so... Oh wait, you'd have to fork out Steemit Inc's stake... oh wait, we already did that.

As far as what the currency is called, I think it's hilarious that people put so much weight on intellectual property law and corporate branding. When something is open-source you can call it whatever you want. We are so brainwashed by the old fucked up centralized system of economic slavery and ownership that this new emergent cooperative economy doesn't even make sense to us. Sad.

I don't care about any of that. I care about justice. That asshole owes millions to the people he wrongfully deprived their money from.

Justin never lost anything in this whole debacle. Okay, maybe he lost his credibility in many people's minds, but that's probably all he lost.

I mean that guy needs a lesson in how to treat other people.

That asshole owes millions...

I hope you mean Steem, and not dollars, because I'm getting sick of everyone measuring everything in USD. Steem isn't worth shit when he decides to dump 80M coins on the market. Those 65 accounts are NEVER GETTING THEIR money back and they should just accept it, move on, and build.

Continuing on this path simply leads to a situation where everyone on the Steem network gets fucked over.