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8 years ago in #steem by kevinwong (76)
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Excellent article - what a wonderful change this technology will bring into the society.
This article has just made 1000s of lightbulbs go up in my head.
I had an inkling about selling digital products, but this platform could be used for kickstarting new projects, charities, and governing any aspect and removing the third party involvement in any transaction and bringing transparency and accountability.
Great Article - thank you so much - keep writing.
Thanks :)
When it comes to kickstarting new projects, i think it's just immediately good to start off with writing out ideas in the open before becoming a proper project. The Kickstarter model is a good way to gauge interest and develop based on community inputs, the steem model of kickstarting ideas since day 1 of dreaming up of the idea and see where it goes based on interest and input is a much better way of doing it.. i think.
I would love to see a "pay with" Steemit Icon beside the paypal icon on every website selling something, anything.
Will resteem in a couple days for maximum exposure. ^^
That'll be cool indeed. Pay with Steem, then the voting button to buy - the system should calculate the strength of vote to meet price tag. If one vote isn't enough, the system will re-vote (or subscribe vote?) for when voting power is sufficiently replenished, voting until there's enough to meet price tag. Or the vote could just be a trigger to send currency from wallet, instead of the usual "payment" from the reward pool. Easy peasy, i wonder if it'll work that way in the future.
hmm. this makes me think of Steem Auctions where the most votes for something gets the item, and the crowd kind of buys it for you. .
Keeps me thinking.
I do wonder how this actually could be implemented. In the backend, website would create post to steem which your account would automatically vote as you click vote while on their website? We already have trails which do part of this job, but how hard would it be to do the rest?
Had to resteem... totally amazing and very complete post.
Thanks a lot @mallorcaman - cook up more Vote-as-(Function) ideas would be awesome!
WoW .. thanks for posting this link in comments !! - ))
GREAT POST !! - ))
The first impression idea that jumps from this, is 'lay-away' .. as in high ticket items .. being purchased incrementally ( say a daily auto-vote) .. for something like a plane ticket .. 3 months in advance ?? - ))
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This is interesting. I read in a different article last week that under consideration in the next hard fork would be the ability for a user to pile on more value on a single vote and as a result vote less. So, the current system gives you 200 votes in five days. But a small minnow could add more value to each vote by only voting 40 times (at 500% once every five days). I think that for something like what you propose to work, we should get the option to (if we want) put all our part of the reward pool into one supervote (that would totally deplete our voting strength until it fully replenished over the following five days. Along with that, we should see more info with our vote than just a slider. For example, we should be able to view exactly how much of the reward pool we have available to bestow through votes, and when we move our slider, it should show a monetary amount which that vote will give along with how much it would deplete our voting power (or share of reward pool). Anyway, all those metrics that you kind of have to dig deep for on sites like steemd.com should become readily available to look at in determining the strength of our vote. I hope I'm making sense. But anyway, even if voting just stays the way it is now, I'd like to have more metrics to look at when I cast my vote. I like the idea of thinking of it as a transaction where I get to transact a certain amount of the resources, and in the case of buying something, I'd then have the option to supplement with actual currency that I hold in my wallet.
Thanks for the comprehensive response! Indeed there needs to be the following:-
Yeah this will work great for purchases!
I'm a firm believer that a "vote as payment" system could be huge and work wonderfully. Months ago I remember a developer creating a tool/site which calculated your top supporters based on how much payout their votes had given to your posts. I've been unable to find it recently, but that kind of functionality to track vote value will be at the base of a payment system.
I envision people running 30 or 60 day KickStarter type campaigns, posting regular updates, thereby giving backers multiple voting opportunities. The software would keep track of the value individual backers have brought to the project, determining their rewards level like in a KickStarter campaign now. The same system could be used in an ongoing Patreon type manner as well, or for one off product ordering.
This would drive demand to hold Steem Power. Growing or investing in your account would allow users to effectively participate in these types of activities. It could pretty much be the worlds largest loyalty rewards program!
There is an old gambling saying which states "Whoever invented gambling was smart, whoever invented chips was a genius." Chips divorce the gambler from the concept that they're actually betting real money. Likewise, voting is Steemit's version of chips. It is much more frictionless and mentally easier than making micro payments that actually deduct from your Steem balance.
I've always wondered about this. Gambling is illegal anywhere except for casinos where I come from. I wonder what about this platform? Lol.
This account is barely a month old and is already doing donation campaigns to increase the number of users. It's hard for people to understand why they would get paid over doing stuff that they already are doing for free.
When I try to get people to use Steemit they tend to briefly look at it and decide that their contributions would be out of place, they think their stuff wouldn't be appreciated. To show them wrong I tell them I'm going to borrow their work and post it myself, I let the users know what I am doing, what the purpose is, and so far they haven't disappointed me, I've always managed to gather a little something.
Once my friends see that I've posted their content and I'm getting paid for it they want to claim the rewards and the way to do that is create an account so I can transfer the funds ;)
Borderline genius!
I have so many friends who are writers that are meh about Steemit when I tell them about it. I'm going to follow that idea to the T with works they'll let me post.
Awesome. It's definitely hard to tell what people think about Steemit / Steem in general.. sometimes i speak to new users and it can be confusing lol. I guess we all just need to take a while to get used to what's happening around here..
Would you upload content to steemfiles.com with that model? On the testing version you can pay and in three seconds it confirms the transaction and your download starts. If you want, upload dummy content and download my fake apricot book for one penny's worth of steem backed dollars. Or senf me a contact message. It's all in the name of finding bugs. The test site is at test.steemfiles.com.
As soon I can confirm a number of tests done without failure, I will put this on www.steemfiles.com and work on a new feature on test. Maybe vote for download.
I don't have any good idea about the tech stacks.. tbh i think i'm beginning to get out of touch with the best tech practices..
Pethaps you were trying to reply to another comment. Is that right?
Woops, indeed! I just checked out your site, seems perfect! how long did it take you to cook that up? I think some UI changes and it'll be awesome.. I think there are plenty of us who wouldn't enter passwords or fill in forms on sites they're not familiar with.
I think you're onto something here.. is it possible for steemit posts to embed steemfile links? instead of a link to jump into another website. And also, a zero email solution possible? (In a way i think i half answered you earlier, about not being too sure about tech stacks and how steem apps can be embedded in steemit posts etc, making stuff more seamless.
I had something working months ago and it took me several weeks. Someone said it looked rather old fashioned. I believe he said that because it was. So I listened and modernized the look because it was old fashioned. I had a problem with one of the components and had to create a fall back mechanism in case certain nodes fail.
If it makes people feel uncomfortable I can get rid of email submission or make it optional. Do you think as a content creator people mind?
The login is optional for uploading and downloading but I shouldnt trust it is from you if whoever uploaded it wasnt logged in.
Logins are done via Steem Connect. I dont and cant store your password or keys. Steem Connect tells me your username on steemit and whether you are logged in. I like it that way.
Steem Connect only needs your posting key for authentication and all of its functions.
Yes, user interfaces is always evolving, I think they just hit the right spots for user experience and fluidity.
Check the way they do webpages here - https://www.squarespace.com/
And perhaps something like https://swarm.city/
Somehow someone figured out nice UIs of the future.. http://etherdesign.io/
Perhaps old-fashioned, but I think what you've made has it own charm :)
Yes, SteemConnect is maybe the only way to do it.. not sure on the technicalities. Yea so even effective UI now may be an integral part to user experience. It'll be up to research about emerging designs, i guess..
Resteemed and upvoted due to the great post! I was browsing through your account Kevin and I'm still rather new to the community here, it seems like you're someone experienced with a lot of the ideas and engines behind Steemit. What do you think is going on with the community and what do you predict the future might be? Do you think it's growing as fast as it was 8-9 months ago, or do you think we'll explode pretty soon as more marketing happens?
Thanks for dropping by.. @avilsd. I really have no idea, I've long since hit the mental limit of knowing what's really going on around here. But I see it as a good thing there's really no overarching narrative around here. Keep making content, interact, and build tools and communities.. of course, take your time. It's possible to get burned out because there's just quite a lot going on. I haven't really been checking the numbers as well, but I think the platform has good fundamentals, being a social currency.
Do you ever get worried Kevin? It seems like you have embraced the environment presented here currently. I'm very curious as to see where Steemit will be in a year or two.
Not worried, I subscribe to antifragility and think the platform has this fundamental quality. Trust in self-regulation - everybody has the ability to both post and vote. That's about it.. :)
Also, don't buy into fomo and put too much money. It should always only be about disposable cash. Then there's nothing to worry about.
Thought provoking and informative. Thanky you for the great article. resteemed
Thanks @bilbop - that is much appreciated :)
You are most welcome @kevinwong Vast and comprehensive, your idea begs for traction.
Ergo, resteemed.
Responding to the meme "I thought Mexico was paying for it.. They surely will if precious metals take off in value. Since Mexico has an immense supply still in the ground, they will want to keep non Mexicans out :D
"Pay-will, not Paywall and definitely not PayPal!" :D
Pay-later haha..
The great idea of the optional STEEM Pay wall where our votes pay both of us and the entire community in some ways.
Great way to think about these ideas @kevinwong!
Yup, the interconnectedness between votes, reward pool, and community is a rather different model..
What a great article on the potency of Steem! Awesome job, thanks for sharing, namaste :)
Thanks @eric-boucher :) keep voting!
Typo:
(presumably "Meet STEEM")
Thanks! I don't mind changing it to "Meat STEEM" too haha..
Very Interesting Post, Thank You,
Np, hope it gave some ideas on what could be built / or is possible..
bra inläg thanks
Thank you @ardina :)
XGreatX Post! Send flowers to your favorite whale everyday😍😁😎
i love the saitama background image hahah nice man.
I love the idea and it is absolutely spot on and the way forward. Vote for everything! :OD
Excellent post!! thank you for sharing
Excellent post! I like your work My friend
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Awesome article and tagline at the bottom there, Kevin!
Destroying Paywalls Since 2016.
This is awesome! thank you for sharing ;-))
This post and comments are helpful. Thank you.
I love when blog posts get you thinking.
I'm sceptical about this. How is a "voting paywall" any different from a traditional one? As you need stake in the system to gain sufficient voting power it comes down to paying with interest (or in other words opportunity costs). In my opinion it would be easier just to send some Steem (or other crypto currencies) to the creators of "protected" content.
There needs to be a better "save draft" feature. I have lost unpublished content mysteriously that I thought was safe because it said "draft saved". This nudged me in the past to publish before I was really ready.
I got around that by using blogger.com to save unpublished drafts.
I don't want to have fill up my hard-drive with random text files.
It gets annoying, I have to search for my work ... blah blah blah.
It'd be more convenient for me if they were saved online.
It'd be most convenient would be if steemit.com safely stored my drafts and not have to deal with extra hassle.
Also, the incentive system is a bit screwy. You are at the mercy of random people who read your content and people are naturally selfish.
It would be good if there was a preview feature which hides a certain amount of content from uninvited viewers; it could vanish when your post has been thumbed up to a fixed limit that you have set.
This will make it like gofundme.com and encourage people to vote for good content which they can discern from the preview.