RE: Octobo - Storytelling meets Creative Technology

[jwolf]

I don't consider this a cool hunt. All these upvotes are based on subjectivity. One influencer upvoted and then others came.

This platform can't evolve in this way without any strict rules where subjectivity is not involved.

It's really not possible for rank #1 on SteemHunt to be displayed a toy for kids. No one from the platform will ever use this product. That's something unbelievable.

In this way you have no chance to be in competition with Producthunt.com.

Come on guys, find a solution, a set of strictly rules. Stop giving x points to random people 'influencers' which upvotes their friends.

Stop acting like a flock.

You are smarter than that.

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[tabris]

"'influencers' which upvotes their friends." this is not true.

1. we chose all the influencers from different countries.
2. influencers still get affected by their diversity score. so if their original voting weight is only 0.1, x5 is still only 0.5.. means if they keep upvoting on their friends pool, their voting weight will become trivial at the end anyway (the same way you and your friends: lordoftruth, georgemales, calprut getting low voting weight as you guys have such voting history)

Don't spread false information on the platform.
If you have any better idea, please let us know. We're always happy to listen.

[jwolf]

Let's assume you are right. Influencers doesn't upvote their friends. What about the subjectivity about the 'coolness'.

Influencers upvoted the content and not the product. (If they upvoted the product is so strange as those products has no use, like this one.)
Why a single ''uncool" post (in my opinion) is upvoted by more than 1 influencer?

And of course I am upvoting my friends when I see a lot of shitty groups from Nigeria and Koreea taking the first places all time. Of course I am upvoting my friend @lordoftruth when he was wronged a lot of times and you did nothing.

Now besides we have those groups we have another group called 'influencers'. If someone thing a toy is a cool product for steemhunt the others come and upvote it. nice.

I don't know why I care so much about this, I am not even posting but maybe I like the idea of the project.
I still like it?

[project7]

1. Everyone has subjective way of thinking. That's why we run Influencers as a community-based group. We do have our internal guideline what is cool or not, and we look people's voting history before we invite IFs. Thus, we keep inviting the people who has "right eyes" to judge, this group works will be beneficial for all of us. We also evaluate them weekly basis. If we think some of IFs have voted wrong hunts, we won't continue his/her role. Please suggest if you can think better way than this. I'm so ready to hear that.
2. Another not fact -> Korean?? So far yes, Nigerian, Turkish, Chinese, Filipino, Korean... So many community voters changed our ranking chart, but after we run Diversity Scores, the impact from Korean and Chinese reduced dramatically because they do not run v4v system. Right now turkish and nigirean voting pool are still strong because THEY RUN V4V OPERATION.

[jwolf]

I have no suggestion but to eliminate subjectivity from the system...that's my biggest problem

[tabris]

Influencers upvoted the content and not the product.
-> wrong again.
Influencers upvote on cool products, not well written content. They all understand Steemhunt is a curation project, not a writing service.

You may not think this product is cool. That's fine because "coolness" is a subjective term anyway.

If you complain about "this product took the top ranking because they've done circle jerking between their friends", that's a good point, and we'll have to find a solution. However, if you're just complaining because this top product is not your taste, we have nothing to do about that.

[jwolf]

I complain that the first product took the top because of the mods, influencers and subjectivity. Anyway. Thanks for your time,

I will be silent, I am not gonna hunt products to be judged by others subjectivity.

[tabris]

I know giving more powers to influencers could be considered "unfair" for other community members, but I think it is the most effective solution so far (You know the ranking board was like circle jerking contest few days ago, and it's not way better IMHO).

Those mod / influencer systems can be changed any time when we find a better solution.

[jwolf]

I don't consider it unfair. I consider unfair if they use wrong they power..Yes you will find better solutions once you will detect new problems..

[project7]

I'm surprised that you have "toy for kids" section can't be cool or no innovation?? You think only tech things for geeks are cool and innovative? I really don't agree with the way you think. I upvoted this hunt too because I myself, as a father who has a three months old kid, thought this way to adopt tech and user experience on the toy doll was quite interesting.

We have very strict rules for running influencers, and we are working really hard to select both influencers/mods. They are not allowed to do cross-voting or supporting some group voting pool in any ways. We are CONSTANTLY MONITORING those actions especially for those roles.

I know I should not be subjective on this way, but I honestly so surprised about abusing attempts that happen especially from CERTAIN COUNTRIES heavily. Most of our efforts so far actually derived to minimise those attempt.

I know there always be "abusing attempts" on any platform, but if there were not that "crazy" way from those countries, SH team could focus more on building our platform further away, and thereby, it will increase the value of HUNT token that most of hunters wish to.

So, please SHARE YOUR AWESOME IDEA if you have a really brilliant way to run SH better. We are so much welcome to hear always innovative solution for this, and please do not point out any FALSE INFORMATION that can cause other hunters misunderstand about our operation.

[jwolf]

Okay, I love that you agree and know about those attempts.

I would love to see a comment where you admit that cool and innovative is a subjective choice.

If you do, why mods are allowed to delist products based on the 'coolness'?

[project7]

because of two reasons:

1. We are not a "curation site" by company selecting our preference on the chart. We are a "community" where all people have right to suggest what is "cool." If ONE MOD can decide that factor, it is just a curation site. IFs just have voting power than other people, but it doesn't mean that they "decide" what cool product is.
2. Also, for the scalable way, asking mods to delist the products based on "cool" condition. Mods are actually delisting "generic" products now too, but it's only limited for too generic products. Once it's not too generic and not too new, we try to pass the judgement to the community. This is the way we differentiate to the curation site.

[jwolf]

I agree on the generic part. Thank you for your time!

[jwolf]

And I really appreciate your efforts until now. I just wanted to point out the subjectivity.

[project7]

Thanks for your time to share your opinion too. We just wanted to point out some possible misunderstandings about the Ifluencers.