Hey @fitnfun! We do seem to often fall on the opposite side of subjects, and I certainly mean you no ill will. You, because you've been having this conversation for 8 years, have surely seen articles like the one I'm about to post, and still reject science-based medicine. So this isn't, then, to convince you, though I'd love if it did, but rather to make sure @wonderwop and your other readers are exposed to science. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-one-thing-you-need-to-know-before-you-detox/
That being said, as you'll note in the article, there's certainly nothing wrong with eating more vegetables, so we can agree about that!
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I stopped looking a "science-based" anything a long time ago when I realized they were in bed with, and funded by, big pharma, big agro, big bio-tech, etc. They don't want us doing anything cheap that helps our health, so I ignore them.
Who is "they" that is in bed with big pharma? Everyone who uses the scientific method?
You have to look at the funding source for studies you choose to believe in. The vast majority of universities and research hospitals are funded by the big guys. They do not fund anything that is not going to lead to a patent or high return on their investment. For example - telling people to avoid the toxins in the food supply is a money loser for those who create the additives.
The great thing about science is that anyone can do it! I hope, before you go telling people about detox routines, that you'll run a double blind study! I'd be happy to design one for you. It should be fairly simple. Serve both groups meals with identical nutritional content, but put an additive that you think causes a particular symptom in one group's foods. See after a few months if one group reports more or less of that symptom. Of course you need to make sure that the people they're interacting with don't know which group is which.
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I do not have to do any studies. I already have the experience of hundreds if not thousands of people in various fb groups who try reducing toxins, show almost immediate health changes, and go on to improved health. Everyone knows who everyone is and support each other through the process. The detox symptoms are dramatic enough that no one needs to be blind on top of that.
These fb groups are for people with chronic illnesses who have given up on, or have been excluded from traditional health care. The main groups I belong to are for any of the 200+ auto-immune diseases, migraines, ptsd, obesity, and depression/anxiety. All are in the category of "natural" remedies and treatments and all show the same good results.
The change in health does not take months - it takes only days to see results. A good example is with people who give up diet sodas. They remove colors, flavors, pesticides, artificial sweeteners and various other toxins in one fell swoop.
Some of those people who drink a lot of diet soda get noticeable results in hours. The biggest issue in that case is that the substances are addictive, so often giving them up is very difficult. Therefore many healthy foods and drinks are recommended to get through this difficult time.
Americans currently ingesting over 900 additives from the fda list that are Generally Regarded As Safe (GRAS). Once you get your chemical on this list - you can add it to anything in combination with any other additives from the same list. Trying to remove just one of them would be pretty much impossible.
The vast majority of these additives are not allowed in other country's food supplies at all. They have not been tested in combination and so therefore, the general public serves as lab rats. The cdc warnings are enough to make you wonder why anyone would put them in the food supply at all. Of course the answer is "money".
If you feel the need to prove this to yourself here is the suggestion I have given others. It is the same way I got started down this path.
Those are the big ones to start with, but you will find much more if you look. When I did this I stopped after checking several of GRAS products and decided to stop eating them all as best I could. At the same time, I boosted my nutrition intake from almost nothing to very high which was additional help in my healing.
Later:
Just remember: "They are blinding you with science" and you have the power to overcome.
... your example is diet soda and there many scientific studies linking diet sodas with health problems. Don't let your social group blind you to the usefulness of science.
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I have no use for studies funded by the people who make the additives. I have enough proof from the people who succeed in spite of those evil-doers. Since they know it is harmful, why do they still make it and allow it to be sold under the guise of GRAS? Once again, the answer is money.
If you do not like Diet Soda as an example, another is boxed rice mixes such as rice-a-roni vs making your own organic rice and doctoring it up with natural spices, herbs, and oils. You do not miss the colors, flavors and other addictive and harmful chemicals, it is healthier, and tastes better. The effort of buying the ingredients, learning to cook it and than actually cooking it are the stopping points for some people.
I'd also like to mention that you don't hear from the people who aren't having good results. A sweet friend of mine who had cancer and believed believed believed that doing all these things would help her. It didn't. One counter-example doesn't make you wrong. Cancer is an asshole. Maybe there's truth to some of what you assert and maybe there isn't. But the presence of anecdotes in your FB groups is not sufficient evidence to make the strength of the claims you're making. It is sufficient to begin studies. Studies are done. Science is not an enemy. It is a tool. Capitalism is the enemy.
If you want to talk about cancer there is this example of a failed protocol:
Yet, if doctors in the us want to try alternative cures, they lose their licences, go to jail, or move to other countries which are not so genocidal.
I do have all the example I need of the failure of the us food supply. This is the 80% of Americans who are obese and overweight and think this is their fate.
When I was a fat kid in the 1960's, I was one of few. By the time I found out about the BMI chart in the early 1980's I was one of the 18% of people who were obese on it.
So are Americans lazier and stupider now or it the food supply more poisoned? I choose to believe this is systematic poisoning and work to help people change as I can.