We haven't seen what it is yet, but I think the whole point is so that people can kinda post whatever they feel like at the time and not worry about someone crying "shitpost" to them.
Those people will still have the option of writing big, long blog posts. A lot of people these days have no interest in writing longform pieces and just want to interact through a million little pieces of text and a few images.
Basically, Hive is a great idea for a perfect world, but that world no longer exists, if it ever did. This new, microlayer of Hive is probably more in line with how people interact in 2021 and beyond.
The games are already doing this to a certain extent, making people interested in Hive who may have no interest in writing content. I'm very excited to see where Hive goes in 2021, though I'm always also a little skeptical, for safety's sake.
I am in absolute agreement with you on this subject, how many of us have the time to spend 8-9 hours at work and still want to sit and prepare a post that will take you about an hour? On average it takes me an hour or more to search and think about what to post which I do enjoy provided I have the time and not tired after a long day at work.
Short form content in less than 5 minutes your thought is out there and engagement is on going like we see on Twitter, Facebook etc.
With long and short form content existing on HIVE it gives users options and everyone will go on about which interest them most.
I like to do both. I have a few accounts and use different ones for different communities/purposes. I have spent time making long posts with lots of headers and images and stuff but I also spend a lot of time on D.Buzz and am really looking forward to the new project by Leo for microblogging. It's good that we can all make long posts when we feel like it, but if we don't consider ourselves writers, how many of us are going to do that on a regular basis?
Either way, I really do think good things are in store for Hive and LeoFinance this year. I've been saying "it's coming soon" for years, since Steem, but this time... haha.
I guess that your thoughts on this s directed towards the finance aspect. However, I hope the price of the LEO___ would be much in fractions of LEO to match the quality (in terms of content size) anticipated.
I am sure there might be some of that but are you really thinking that wide spread "tweet stealing" will be a problem. In the time it takes to steal one, one could bang out 25 words.
The content of a tweet doesnt get it upvotes as much as the followers.
I could post the same thing as a top tweeter and get 1/100th of the votes since I have a small Twitter following.
You are actually very right on that. But inasmuch as its microblogging. I see no reason why someone would go about plagiarizing short contents for crying out loud.
The chance is given already for those who can't keep up with long and bulky content so why still go around plagiarizing content as short as a tweet? That's insane if I am to say.
I think there will be a bot that responds with "I found this content here as well" and a link, sorta like we have now. Then, it'll be pretty easy to see where the content came from, and action can be taken accordingly, even if it's just a bunch of downvotes.
For people not native in English for instance, this could be a superb 'money grab'. Just copy & paste some awesome tweets you find on Twitter and you're set.
I see your point @hitmeasap
You know you aren't entirely wrong because even with long and bulky contents. I have seen and read different posts that are very much alike and similar in some paragraphs and I am like, didn't I just read the same phrase or paragraph in someone's post?
And it's usually an initiative or contest.
So I understand people reading other people's entries and stealing some phrases and paragraphs without even changing to their own words and it's mostly those who aren't native in English like you said.
But whatever be the case, I am sure it wouldn't be much of a problem
As soon as money is involved, people will always find ways to abuse, cheat, steal and lie. It's unfortunate, but it's just how some people works. I don't think it will be a big deal regardless though, but I am sure there will be people trying to "get rich quick" by using others content. Especially when it's twitter-like content as it's difficult to check.
There are communities of people on Hive who speak all sorts of different languages, though. I think people will be able to post in whatever language they want and someone will be able to read it and will appreciate it was written in that language.
As far as just copying tweets, I really think something like postbot will point that out and we'll be able to take action against those users.
Tweets don't necessarily have to always be about content, it's easy to spot who's just doing it for the farm and who genuinely is tweeting for the sake of tweeting. Elon can paste a meme and get millions of likes. Similar to Hive you don't always just curate the content, there's millions of authors and content creators out there, at one point it starts also being about who you want to reward as a person, their reputation, history, contributions, etc, etc.
THIS. If two people tweet out identical tweets by accident, people are going to upvote the person they follow or like and ignore the other. That's just the way the world is. Let's not cry plagiarism if that happens either, unless it's obvious like an identical paragraph or something.
Most ideas are recycled. If people are sending out posts with the same ideas as someone else but written from their point of view, that's okay. If they're copying a post word-for-word, I have a feeling some bot will be pointing it out immediately, sorta like we have now.
What do you mean?
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I think what he means is how will contents be verified if they are original or plagiarized.
Even twitter which is completely centralized does not verify if contents are original or plagiarized, how much more here.
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We should start looking at getting this place busy beyond perception instead of focusing on what we call shit post or verifying posts.
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Agree 100%.
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We haven't seen what it is yet, but I think the whole point is so that people can kinda post whatever they feel like at the time and not worry about someone crying "shitpost" to them.
Those people will still have the option of writing big, long blog posts. A lot of people these days have no interest in writing longform pieces and just want to interact through a million little pieces of text and a few images.
Basically, Hive is a great idea for a perfect world, but that world no longer exists, if it ever did. This new, microlayer of Hive is probably more in line with how people interact in 2021 and beyond.
The games are already doing this to a certain extent, making people interested in Hive who may have no interest in writing content. I'm very excited to see where Hive goes in 2021, though I'm always also a little skeptical, for safety's sake.
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I am in absolute agreement with you on this subject, how many of us have the time to spend 8-9 hours at work and still want to sit and prepare a post that will take you about an hour? On average it takes me an hour or more to search and think about what to post which I do enjoy provided I have the time and not tired after a long day at work.
Short form content in less than 5 minutes your thought is out there and engagement is on going like we see on Twitter, Facebook etc.
With long and short form content existing on HIVE it gives users options and everyone will go on about which interest them most.
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I like to do both. I have a few accounts and use different ones for different communities/purposes. I have spent time making long posts with lots of headers and images and stuff but I also spend a lot of time on D.Buzz and am really looking forward to the new project by Leo for microblogging. It's good that we can all make long posts when we feel like it, but if we don't consider ourselves writers, how many of us are going to do that on a regular basis?
Either way, I really do think good things are in store for Hive and LeoFinance this year. I've been saying "it's coming soon" for years, since Steem, but this time... haha.
I guess that your thoughts on this s directed towards the finance aspect. However, I hope the price of the LEO___ would be much in fractions of LEO to match the quality (in terms of content size) anticipated.
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It's much harder to verify short forms than longer ones. It's easy to change just one word of a good tweet and claiming upvotes.
When financial incentive comes people are going to try different things to outsmart the system.
I am sure there might be some of that but are you really thinking that wide spread "tweet stealing" will be a problem. In the time it takes to steal one, one could bang out 25 words.
The content of a tweet doesnt get it upvotes as much as the followers.
I could post the same thing as a top tweeter and get 1/100th of the votes since I have a small Twitter following.
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You can't compare with yourself as you are part human and part machine. lol :D
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You are actually very right on that. But inasmuch as its microblogging. I see no reason why someone would go about plagiarizing short contents for crying out loud.
The chance is given already for those who can't keep up with long and bulky content so why still go around plagiarizing content as short as a tweet? That's insane if I am to say.
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I agree @zanoz.
I am not sure "tweet stealing" is a major problem.
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I don't think it is, or will be, a "major" problem. But I would be really surprised if people did not use others tweets. People lack morality.
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Yeah! And if it becomes a problem then I am sure there will surely be a way to tackle them @taskmaster4450le
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I think there will be a bot that responds with "I found this content here as well" and a link, sorta like we have now. Then, it'll be pretty easy to see where the content came from, and action can be taken accordingly, even if it's just a bunch of downvotes.
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For people not native in English for instance, this could be a superb 'money grab'. Just copy & paste some awesome tweets you find on Twitter and you're set.
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I see your point @hitmeasap
You know you aren't entirely wrong because even with long and bulky contents. I have seen and read different posts that are very much alike and similar in some paragraphs and I am like, didn't I just read the same phrase or paragraph in someone's post?
And it's usually an initiative or contest.
So I understand people reading other people's entries and stealing some phrases and paragraphs without even changing to their own words and it's mostly those who aren't native in English like you said.
But whatever be the case, I am sure it wouldn't be much of a problem
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As soon as money is involved, people will always find ways to abuse, cheat, steal and lie. It's unfortunate, but it's just how some people works. I don't think it will be a big deal regardless though, but I am sure there will be people trying to "get rich quick" by using others content. Especially when it's twitter-like content as it's difficult to check.
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Yes, you are very right about that.
But let's just see how it goes
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There are communities of people on Hive who speak all sorts of different languages, though. I think people will be able to post in whatever language they want and someone will be able to read it and will appreciate it was written in that language.
As far as just copying tweets, I really think something like postbot will point that out and we'll be able to take action against those users.
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That's a good point. There will most likely be systems in place to prevent abuse in various forms.
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Tweets don't necessarily have to always be about content, it's easy to spot who's just doing it for the farm and who genuinely is tweeting for the sake of tweeting. Elon can paste a meme and get millions of likes. Similar to Hive you don't always just curate the content, there's millions of authors and content creators out there, at one point it starts also being about who you want to reward as a person, their reputation, history, contributions, etc, etc.
THIS. If two people tweet out identical tweets by accident, people are going to upvote the person they follow or like and ignore the other. That's just the way the world is. Let's not cry plagiarism if that happens either, unless it's obvious like an identical paragraph or something.
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Yes you are right
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Most ideas are recycled. If people are sending out posts with the same ideas as someone else but written from their point of view, that's okay. If they're copying a post word-for-word, I have a feeling some bot will be pointing it out immediately, sorta like we have now.
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