Land Card Update
It is time to publish a land card update post. I don't know how many of you land players of Splinterlands got a full grasp of it, but I don't. Yet, over the last couple of days I am trying to get my head around to the problem based on the Medium post! By the way, a medium post is fine, it is good for external audience, but why there is no hive post? The same could be copy-pasted at hive (@blazekos, @davemccoy). The post is good and with beaker's Land-SPL tool, I think I am beginning to have a good understanding of the process involved.
The easiest place to go is to click to the Player Overview, and in the box, you can type your IGN. I have mine turned on here. The land card is an unique sale first, and it is a two step process. Here for the first time, players will be able to craft a card by themselves using their land resources. Also, this is a gated two step process. Step 1: will be a limited allocation and ability to craft cards based on ones base Production Power (PP) of held cards. Step 2: will be a limited first-come-first-serve ability to craft cards based on your available land resources, after the step 1 allocation is complete.
The screenshot above shows my Base PP = 6.91M. That translates to 1.13% of total base PP available at Splinterlands (only land I am guessing?). Based on that asset allocation, I will be allowed to craft a max of the following land cards if I choose to:
Common = 1138, or 2 Max RF + 338 CC
Rare = 204, or 1 Max RF + 89 CC
Epic = 68, or 1 Max RF + 22 CC
Legendary = 11, or 1 Max RF (exactly)
That is 5 total max RF cards in the first 3 days. After that, I can craft as many as I want as long as I have resources, and cards are available. Following are the maximum number of cards:
Common — 100,000 CC, or 250 Max RF
Rare — 18,000 CC, or 156 Max RF
Epic — 6,000 CC, or 130 Max RF
Legendary — 1,000 CC, or 90 Max RF
Observations
There are 3 critical tables on this post.
Chart 1 or Table 1: Enhanced Base Production Power
| Rarity | RF (at max) | GF (at max) | BF | GFA | BFA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Legendary | 3000 | 12500 | 25000 | 12500 | 25000 |
| Epic | 2500 | 7500 | 15000 | 7500 | 15000 |
| Rare | 2200 | 5000 | 10000 | 5000 | 10000 |
| Common | 2000 | 2500 | 5000 | 2500 | 5000 |
Chart 2 or Table 2: Estimated Costs - Preliminary
| Rarity | 1 CC Resource | 1 CC Cinder | 1 CC Target USD | Max Copy Resource | Max Copy Cinder | Max Copy USD at peg |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Common | 20k Grain | 375 | $0.50 | 8M Grain | 150k | $200 |
| Rare | 30k Wood | 1,875 | $2.50 | 3.45M Wood | 215.625k | $287.50 |
| Epic | 7,500 Aura / 15k Stone / 50k Grain | 5,625 | $7.50 | 345k Aura / 690k Stone / 2.3M Grain | 258.75k | $345 |
| Legendary | 50k Aura / 40k Iron | 37,500 | $50 | 550k Aura / 440k Iron | 412.5k | $550 |
Chart 3 or Table 3: Total Resources Potentially Burned
| Rarity | 1 CC Resource | 1 CC Cinder | # of copies | # of total Resources | DEC value | Cinder Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Common | 20k Grain | 375 | 100,000 | 2B Grain | 25m DEC-Grain | 37.5m |
| Rare | 30k Wood | 1,875 | 18,000 | 540m Wood | 22.5m DEC-Wood | 33.75m |
| Epic | 7,500 Aura / 15k Stone / 50k Grain | 5,625 | 6,000 | 45m Aura / 90m Stone / 300m Grain | $1,250 / 7.2m DEC-Stone / 4m DEC-Grain | 33.75m |
| Legendary | 50k Aura / 40k Iron | 37,500 | 1,000 | 50m Aura / 40m Iron | $12,500 / 12.6m DEC-Iron | 37.5m |
| Total | - | - | - | 2.3B Grain / 540m Wood / 90m Stone / 95m Aura / 40m Iron | $23,750 | 142.5m |
Let us not worry about Table 3 (titled Chart 3 in Medium post), because that is most speculative. It makes assumptions on price and also assumptions on all cards will be sold. If the second happens, the price can't remain flat, in fact with a 9.3B of grain stash that Praetoria accumulated in total, if you really burn 2B grain, the price of grain should be much higher than it is right now.
How much Cinder?
Cinder is a new product. Cinder is essentially a "burn yield" generated from sacrificing (burning) eligible older cards in the game. Cinder is produced by burning old cards... Cinder is not transferable and is equal to 1.5 times the CP (Collection Power) of any card in Splinterlands that is burnable for DEC.
If I take Chaos Legion cards for most likely candidate for burning for Cinder, then we get the following table:
Max Chaos Legion Regular Foil Collection Power (CP) per Maxed Card
| Rarity | Copies Needed (BCX) | Base CP per Copy | Total CP (with 5% Max Level Bonus) | Cinder (1.5x Total CP) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Common | 400 | 5 | 2,100 | 3,150 |
| Rare | 115 | 20 | 2,415 | 3,622.5 |
| Epic | 46 | 100 | 4,830 | 7,245 |
| Legendary | 11 | 500 | 5,775 | 8,662.5 |
Following are the Cinder requirement for each Land Rarity type cards for a max copy.
When I consult this chart and Table 2 above:
Cinder Requirements for Your Land Card Goals
Based on Chart 2, the Cinder costs per single CC (copy) of a Land Card are:
- Common: 375 Cinder per CC
- Rare: 1,875 Cinder per CC
- Epic: 5,625 Cinder per CC
- Legendary: 37,500 Cinder per CC
I get the following max allocation during the 3 day first round:
- Common: 1,138 CC (2 max RF + 338 CC)
- Rare: 204 CC (1 max RF + 89 CC)
- Epic: 68 CC (1 max RF + 22 CC)
- Legendary: 11 CC (1 max RF exactly)
Total Cinder Needed by Rarity
| Rarity | Total CC Needed | Cinder per CC | Total Cinder Needed |
|---|---|---|---|
| Common | 1,138 | 375 | 426,750 |
| Rare | 204 | 1,875 | 382,500 |
| Epic | 68 | 5,625 | 382,500 |
| Legendary | 11 | 37,500 | 412,500 |
| Total | 1,421 | - | 1,604,250 |
Burning Max RF Common Chaos Cards for Cinder
I was just thinking about commons, because I have a stash of 190 max common RF accumulated already, and I thought that will be enough! Boy! I was wrong!
A single maxed (level 4) Chaos Legion Regular Foil (RF) Common card yields 3,150 Cinder when burned (1.5 × 2,100 CP, including the 5% max-level bonus).
To produce 1,604,250 Cinder:
- Exact number needed: ≈509.29 maxed cards
- Practical Number: Burn 510 full maxed cards (yielding 1,606,500 Cinder, with a small surplus of 2,250).
I am short 510 - 190 = 320 Max Common RF cards!
This is a lot of arithmetic ............ please check if my math is wrong!
We will put out an "offical" land card post AZ when its official. We put out the preliminary information so that people could get a good understanding and be working their land ahead of the official release.
We haven't finished coding it, nor has it been tested. So its not ready for a post on Hive yet. BTW Hive is the place where we put out all of our offical posts.
People ask all kinds of things of us, can you tell us what is happening, but make sure the information is correct, and let us know when its going to happen, but give us plenty of time to plan ahead.
Its a difficult crowd. We are doing our best.
Ps... I think you figured it out well, the best land post I've seen so far. I also love @beaker007's work, he is amazingly helpful.
agree beakers tools are awesome. I didn't know about them till the 101 episode. There are two types of difficult... difficult obstructive and difficult excited.... hopefully the difficult obstructive get annoyed and put all their land up for sale for cheap for me to buy... :-)
Awesome comment Blingit! I love how you think :)
Well hive news that you hear is mostly all rumor, there is nothing concrete other than a hard fork is incoming, which is a regular and nothing but a software update.
Regarding land card: now I figured out the main bottleneck, and it is Cinder!
The trouble is, if I burn those cheap CL cards, then those are gone, and never coming back. Since I have empty plots to put them in, I am left with a difficult choice, it is prudent to burn them to get 6 total card (land cards). Or to keep them and turn on 100 plots, but block 100 * $40 or about $4000 in DEC, for a 10% return?
I love how you boil it down AZ! I knew you'd get the tradeoffs and understand the implications quickly... glad you're back!
and on the official post, we are close to releasing it. We should have the code shipped by Friday so I will be more comfortable with the deadlines/information once that happens.
Oh my, that is a LOT of maxed cards. I don't even have that many in total 🤣
I'm still incredibly confused. I think I'll have to take a whole day to let the data sink in. Right now, it is just too much and I have no idea what to do with it - probably nothing anyway, since I'm too small a fish :-D
I'm elegible for a few cards (thanks Beaker!), so maybe it's time for me to think about Aura production - which still would take a while to get there. But I would love to have some cards, just have to dig into if it's worth it for me, at this point (probably more work than reward :-D )
Thanks for walking through the process, chewing it a little so it's easier to digest for others!
Forget aura production.
You need to get grain and wood and you need to get it now! Because this is happening to the price of grain.
there is a famine coming, if you don't have grain you don't have anything.
I have all my good cards on grain now. I might even swap everything else for grain, too.
Wait, so I can make a card with just wood? I thought I needed all the resources.
Yes, wood and cinder for a Rare card.
Ah, okay. I don't think I have any cinder.
No one does!
You generate that by burning cards.
It is not live yet.
Ah okay, I guess I need to pay attention more!
Thanks. Figure sell SPS buy DEC/other then buy card if you want. Not sure why i would want them though. All still quite confusing. 🤣
If we decide to participate on this thing, one must buy a lot of cards.
Keyword: IF
There are so many moving pieces to these new land cards, it is making my head spin! I'm not sure I will change any of my buying plans to accommodate these new cards. I will be happy to use any extra aura on Epic or Legend if I have the chance to craft them, but I won't be going out of my way to buy a bunch of extra CL cards just so I can burn them for Cinder. Maybe I will just stay away from these land cards altogether. The complexity of land is getting bigger and bigger!
Without Cinder, nothing works, so I don't know where else cheap cinder is going to come from.
Is there such a thing as cheap cinder? It should be pretty close to 1.5x the burn rate since most of the extra Chaos Legion commons and rares were selling pretty close to the burn rate.
question becomes the scaling and your personal patience. If you want to buy 300 max common cards at and near burn value that typically requires a lot of patience or automation
I don't want to buy any extra cards to be honest, just the ones I play with. The only reason I am adding to my land position is because all these stupid wagons I need to get my airdrops cost MORE than the airdrop itself, so the only way to stay ahead is to make the wagons myself.
said it before, say it again, i love your numbers posts :-)
BLINGIT
Thank you! Mostly just trying to figure it out for myself :)