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RE: A bit of a rant.

in #hive3 years ago

Not selfvoting is a small sacrifice the community asks you to have the self discipline to make.
In return you can blog for money.
You can comment for money.

If you are that selfish that you can't make yourself stop taking from us and giving to yourself, we probably don't want you here anyway.

If everybody self voted the platform will fail.
Nobody wants to play that game.

I prefer that people self control rather than be controlled, eh?
Without knowing wrong, there is no right, irrespective of any labels.
Without the option to offend, not offending loses its moral victory.

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If everybody self voted the platform will fail.

this sounds like a systemic design failure.

not an individual moral failure.

it's bad game design.

This is the best failed game design I've played.
I'm up thousands of dollars.
For making squeaking sounds on the interwebz.

I think forcing self control is a good thing.
The alternative is everybody out of control.
Look around, when John Wayne left behind his temporal plane, violence lost any pretense to honor.

Forgive me if I prefer anarchy to chaos.
Which is what we have here.
A community trying to find both its boundaries and its way.
I think we are doing just fine.

I think there's a problem when accounts like @practicalthought and @oldoneeye and @akiroq are leaving because the "enforcement mechanism" is capricious and tyrannical.

Hey there @logiczombie and @antisocialist ...

Yes there is definitely a problem to me, and the only solution for me is to just move my time elsewhere. Logic does not prevail here when it comes to discussing these issues. It has basically become a paradigm, and the one that I am interested in most, has mostly departed this blockchain. So our only power is to just use our time elsewhere, as this one has become far too heavy leaning to the ideals that I do not possess, and actually reject.

For me, it isn't about the money. It is about the control and the negative aspect this system provides. The flaws outweigh the benefits for me. But hey, there are still some that like it, so more power to them. Have fun and all that. Hope they get their money that they care so much about, more than morals. It is just a microcosm of our world. Make the wrong kind of peep, get bombarded by powers that should not be... I don't 'escape' the shit from the world, by jumping into shit.

I'll pop on here once in a while though.. maybe more than monthly someday. If I feel like some masochism. My morals are more important to me than money. I dumped all platforms that bother me in these ways. Nothing personal against this one. It's still a neat blockchain, I just can't stomach the 'governance'.

Just do what makes you happiest, f' the rest.
I agree that the crowd here has some improvements to be made, but they won't make them in the absence of our collective pushback.
Mr. Iron Fist is apparently gone.
Mr. Hard As Nails stills gives it a go, but he is getting tired, too, I think.
All these people forcing their will onto others will tire at some point, and abandon that game.
It's just human nature.
Most of the paid bad actors have already left.
Just a matter of time for the rest.

Until the fork to hive we didn't have a free platform, it was ruled by the one I won't name with an iron fist.
Some folks act as if he was still here, and who knows, he may be.
I wouldn't have left, entirely.

Hivekings is down, I can't look up what the one's complaints were, but the first one needs thicker skin, iyam.
This is a crab bucket, getting him to quit means more for the others.
He will likely do well, if he regularly puts out 'good' content.

If anybody wants input on what happens with most flaggots, all they have to do is join the discord servers, or tag people in posts, and they can have their input.
Don't kid yourself that all the posts don't get read.
Nor that all the yellers are justified in yelling.

You have to decide for you what is right for you to do.
I can't do it for you, nor should I.
Conversely, you can't decide what is right for me to do.
You get your say on the matter, if you are involved that much, but you telling me what is right or wrong for me is not possible due to the variance in viewpoints.
It is physically impossible for me to see with your eyes, nor you mine.

Now, we can lay odds on what is politically acceptable, but that is a different topic.
For the record, the political process can't determine right from wrong for me for the same reasons.
It can decree off with my head, but that doesn't make it right to do so.

Nor that all the yellers are justified in yelling.

nobody is suggesting they're ALL "innocent".

i'm merely suggesting there should be, at the very least, some attempt to PRETEND each and every person "accused" is given a "fair trial".

Even the most brutal dictators in history held mock trials.

What we're facing here feels more like JUDGE-DREDD.

So, if the trial is held away from your knowledge, does that mean that there was no trial?
Any community responses to abuse are well documented.
Flaggots gonna flag.
Welcome to the current iteration of the hive.
Harsh, but mostly fair.
Anybody with specific complaints should tag me in a comment.

So, if the trial is held away from your knowledge, does that mean that there was no trial?

Oh, are you talking about my very own "trial" in secret, on discord, where I was presumed guilty and was forced to prove my innocence ?

Or are you talking about @akiroq's very own "trial" where they were blacklisted because of some other "bad actor" and they were never even told about it and were forced to beg for mercy for a "crime" they knew nothing about ?

And then, even after the blacklist was removed, after groveling on discord, they were still not given any details about how or why they were blacklisted in the first place ?

They said, "your account has been associated with another account that has been sanctioned" but they wouldn't say which account that was.

WE'VE DECIDED WHAT YOU'VE DONE QUALIFIES AS A "CRIME" AND WE'VE DECIDED YOU'RE GUILTY AND WE'VE ALREADY PUNISHED YOU BEFORE EVEN TALKING TO YOU AT ALL - - BEG FOR YOUR LIFE IN OUR SECRET KANGAROO COURT IF YOU "HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT"

And then when I ask, "why exactly is this considered a crime" they respond with "FUCK YOU TROLL".

You get your say on the matter, if you are involved that much, but you telling me what is right or wrong for me is not possible due to the variance in viewpoints.

I can certainly coerce you if I control enough accounts and wield the requisite stake.

Doesn't make you right, just powerful.

I'm not sure there's a detectable distinction when coercion is involved.

Most people think it's "wrong" to "break the law" (even when there is no moral justification for a particular law).

So, whoever can effectively control the text of the law (and the enforcement mechanism) de facto creates "right" and "wrong" out of thin air.

For the record, the political process can't determine right from wrong for me for the same reasons.

POLITICS = POLITIA = POLICE

POLITICS is an argument about who controls the POLICE (enforcement mechanism)

Politics is human interactions and how to predict them.
Politics doesn't end with the end of rule by force.
It just loses its fangs.

(IFF) force is part of the equation (THEN) controlling the mechanism of force is the primary aim of politics

POLITICS = POLITIA = POLICE