As you may have seen, my @steemcommunity partner in crime announced today that she is powering down the account for the Steem Power to be used on other projects. This is her first power-down and when we spoke privately she expressed 'sadness' at pressing the button. I can't argue though, the SP held in that account is just a poor investment right now.
@steemcommunity was put in place not to be a community, but in an attempt to help support communities on Steem to grow their accounts and reach. It was a bold project, particularly as the general fuel for 'success' around here is Steem Power based. We had the time, the energy, the willingness to help, but even combined we didn't have the Steem Power to support at the level we had planned to.
We did try though, and with the support of @yabapmatt, @curie, and more recently @esteemapp, have hosted weekly posts to encourage smaller accounts to both engage and power up their Steem. Those initiatives are still running, some at a loss, and all of which take time and effort, with little personal reward.
Well no-one asked you to do it.
And this is true, they didn't. But we didn't join with 10-20-100k SP, and have a reasonable understanding of the difficulties a newcomer faces. From managing your account to looking at the utter bollocks on trending thinking 'why, what is that all about?'. I guess we felt something was required to encourage and help, and that feeling of being of use, for me anyway, was enough (and still is) to take that time to help.
As we spoke privately today, one of the conversations was about the state of Steem at present, and in particular with regards to the Scot tribes. Paula has been busy earning real money, whilst I've been slumming it and throwing all my time and STEEM at the new 'communities' and their tokens.
Paula stated that she may be missing the tribes, but everyone is running their own project or their own tribes.... that Steem used to have a good community..... and that all that's left are community leaders and devs.
Too many little islands to have an impact. I'm no different really, now I just want to use my SP to support my own project and those that engage with that.
I see her point, especially with wanting to use that SP to support her own project. The 3.8k SP in the @steemcommunity account was used largely to support communities, and honestly, they didn't really return the favour - even on the one post we put out each week.
Islands though? I was unsure:
I don't see them as islands, more like small boats setting sail for new lands. One of them is gonna land, and hopefully find untold riches
Right Paula?
small boats with no gps, reading the stars
lol
Which of us is right, time will tell. I've spent more time in the tribes though, and do see the potential of some. What I haven't seen much of as yet is advertising and marketing of these tribes to on-board creators, curators/investors from outside the already existing Steem community.
I would hazard a guess that over 90% of the tokens have been purchased by existing people (not accounts, I've seen more alts than ever before). I am not sure if the tribes will manage to bridge the gap and start bringing in the above from outside Steem - actifit, spliterlands, and as outside bets, dporn and creativecoin could be in with a chance. Or will we have to wait for SMT / Communities / a bull market, for anything serious to happen?
Another thing I've noticed with the tribes is that the spammers and thieves are back. I've not always been a fan of @cheetah and @steemcleaners, but on their huge list are a number of outright fucktards. And without the aforementioned accounts having stake in these tokens, the moderators and users that give a shit have a tough task to stop the bullshit from getting out of control.
Anyway, I'd like to think the tribes are boats seeking new lands and not islands, and the abusers are just 'have a go' pirates who can easily be thrown overboard. Helsing anyone?
Where is this post going now, I'll have to scroll up and read......
OK, I think most of that makes sense.
We are certainly not going anywhere, but you could see a little more of me (and my alts) than Paula over the coming months. My investment into the tribes should ensure that is the case, as I desperately try to support as many of the content producers across multiple 'communities' as I can each day.
I've not managed a #stem / #steemgeeks post yet, but hold the 9th largest account. I've managed one post for #creativecoin and that was a struggle, but hold over 11000 of those if you fancy being creative. I'm closing in on half a million SPORTS tokens, and hold around 7k PAL and LEO. Those numbers make me a Whale in most cases, and as you might expect by now, the vast majority of my vote is there for you - it's just I get a better return for visiting your shop with the author/curator percentages.
Mine, not the boat...
I'm going to go with the boat analogy to finish, and say it's good to see many I appreciate sailing along too.
Cheers
Asher
So many boats.....
Sailing to greet millions of new recruits :0
In all seriousness though, thankyou for all you and @paulag do and have done for the community here. Steem has evolved, and users will evolve as well. I just hope the evolution brings the growth along with it.
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Thanks @sparkesy43, I appreciate that.
Here's hoping the shifting sands bring growth, whilst I look for a job just in case :)
Hey @abh12345, this comment might wander a bit, juts like your post...
I'm just returning to more active involvement after somewhat of a hiatus... what seems noteworthy about current developments in Steemlandia is this sense that we are in a gradual process of returning to "old school," albeit in a new "outfit:" This (tribes and their associated tokens) feels ever so much like the focused forums and message boards of 20 years ago. I think the state of Steemit (Steem)
perhaps speaks to a broader trend that "general" social media is in a slow spiral of decline.
I'm still defining my focus with this brave new world. PAL makes sense to me, just because of the track record and broad support. CCC makes sense to me because I can fit posts in under creative photography. LEO makes sense to me because I'm interested in the investing angle. INT(repreneur) makes sense to me because everyone in this household is self-employed.
So there seems to be an "invitation" of sorts, there. Instead of focusing on will this make money, I am probably going to focus on the things that interest me most, and it WILL make money because I am approaching it with some degree of passion.
Yes, I've gotten various other airdrops... but honestly? I'll probably dump them and use the funds to buy and stake in my "core interest group."
But that's just MY approach (and it's still being fine tuned!), and keeping an eye on not getting spread too thin. Will all this ever become "worth" something? Beats me... but my combined PAL, LEO and CCC stakes are already "worth" more than I have managed to build my SP in the course of almost 18 months. Which perhaps says something...
As for Steem? Strikes me it is STILL a pretty awesome blockchain project, in the greater context of the blockchain world... and there surely must be some point at which someone will wake up to the idea that the Steem currency is undervalued, vis-a-vis the blockchain it's built on. But maybe that's just not how it works...
=^..^=
I think this is a fair approach if you plan to be active in those areas as it's possible that soon there will be 100's of communities and it won't be possible to keep tabs on all of them.
Welcome back from your cat-nap :)
Thank you for all you do here Asher, though how you manage all those accounts is beyond me. I have just a @slobberchops.tri account configured via steemrewarding with some rules for mine.
How can this be portrayed to the masses? It's far too technical. !CHOPS.
Thanks man. Don't under-estimate how much your accounts have been keeping people around this past year via support and production of quality content.
The account management isn't so bad as I've got a combination of trailing the main account and some 'local' rules set out which I'm building as I go.
I have a feeling the masses will come for one tribe/interest. It's only us guys doing the juggling act with a hope that we can be in early on the future winning communities.
Cheers for the chop!
With the tentative announcement of SMT's, what is going to happen I wonder? To me it looks like a decentralised version of the Scot-Tribes which are going to compete with each other.
Is it wise to invest in these tokens if 'the real thing' is going to fart all over what is happening now. If only I could see 1 year into the future.
There are some technical differences regarding Scot being a side-chain, and tokens here being less likely to go on larger exchanges, but I hear that the tribes doing well will likely have the option of integrating (becoming?) an SMT if they wish.
So with that hearsay in mind, I'm not overly worried about SMT farting over what has appeared due to the 2 year delay.
Interesting, is this from STInc? Are they actually noticing things that are happening on the blockchain besides their stuff.
I never though that would happen, or is this simply my assumption?
I heard it somewhere, maybe in an Direct Message on Discord, and/or maybe when @exyle interviewed Yabap last week. That interview is available in his feed and it's always worth listening to what the top Witness has to say.
I'm so far behind on tribes I didn't even know that's what they were called. Still here, though. Glad to see y'all moving resources to where you think they'll best be used, and for the continued encouragement in general. We change, we evolve, right?
Hi @katrina-ariel, nice to see you!
Personally, I think you should be looking to add #creativecoin to much of your content. Have a read about what is deemed acceptable to the tribe.
https://www.creativecoin.xyz/creativecoin/@isaria/what-types-of-creative-content-does-the-creative-coin-community-accept
The tribe URL is https://www.creativecoin.xyz/ (but you can post from where you usually do and just log in here to claim your rewards)
https://steem-engine.com/ to either power the CCC (creative coins) up or trade for STEEMP or whatever else you fancy.
Good luck! :)
@abh12345, Yes, it's difficult to push that power down button but hope that wherever it will flow will bring effective returns and productive results. Good wishes from my side towards this Community.
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Thank you @chireerocks, same to you.
Welcome and thank you.
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I guess I have to catch up on my feed but I think it is totally understandable that we often have to go for a certain reset to move on. I think both paths will lead to better things over time. I would have wished the project to achieve its goal for a longer period of time but I think we also have to recognize the impact it has had which has been positive! Thanks!
Yes me too - the bear has won out in the end and time on other projects makes much more sense.
Thanks!
The tribes open up new opportunities for rewards, especially at a time when Steem is so low.
But on the other hand it also creates a lot of spam and shit content when some are pushing out multiple content each day just for the upvote. Hopefully mods from those tribes will keep a strong grip on the content otherwise their token may end up just like the content.
Yep, and yep.
How the tribe is moderated will be a key factor in it's success or otherwise. The new rewards and the lack of influence from the 'old' cleaning accounts has given the abusers new opportunity.
Both you and @paulag have been instrumental in helping so many people, including me, build their accounts. You have been great examples on how to Steem the right way and I hope the future holds great things for both of you.
That's very kind of you @melshadow, thank you :)
...I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does that when I write posts...
I appreciate both of you, and here's hoping things get better for everyone! <3
Have a !COFFEEA
Thank you @phoenixwren :)
Yeah this one wasn't really that structured, I get lost without a graph or pie chart!
Mods in scot tribes sure are busy. In one community I’m in they noted they just spent a lot of time dealing with stuff just for today. At least they a number of options for dealing with stuff much better than a random tag.
Tribes have been very kind to me. I’ve made it onto some more front page trending. Has sure changed things up and made things fun again.
I spend an hour or two each day at present managing rewards for a tribe. It's not fun but more of a necessity.
Glad to hear that, I forgot to mention I've got some GG and BATTLE tokens, that I hope you are receiving a share of :)
SteemAce tribe has been very kind. My posts are getting so many random upvotes even days later from my content getting discovered. it's quite amazing and not something I'm use to seeing.
Exactly how it should be. A post on Trending receiving votes because new eyes see and appreciate :)
Some people don't even know about the tribes (how could you not) and many don't understand there is value in them. People stick to what they know and they know Steem.
I heard about communities and SMTs when I started here 2.5 years ago and, they still haven't arrived from Steemit, but they have arrived in some form. What I find strange is how many people have complained about the non-delivery of them yet haven't thought what they actually mean for the Steem community as a whole. Yes, there will be separation, yes there will be complication, yes, there will be ownership of community interfaces where the owners make the decisions. The Steem blockchain can be decentralized -but no business upon it need be.
Don't know, don't fancy the additional work, too stubborn, and/or a little scared of change.
The separation and complication is our view, being here near the start. Those on-boarded via a tribe wont have to deal with half as much, but the early adopter status won't be with them. Personally, I'm throwing tokens in all directions and seeing which go the furthest. I hope its not the PORN one tbh :)
I will SODL Sail on for dear life
heh :) Good one!
It is a shame, and it is still to early to see where the Scot-Tribes will head. SMT communities are being projected in the next few months by steemitblog, we will see. I hope their idea of a "MVP" (minimal viable product-according to google search), is not to minimal or it could completely cripple and dash the hopes of many who have been waiting on SMT Communities.
I still see the tribes as specialty magazines, but a shame some of the steemit habits are creeping into them also.
At least you feel they are 'heading' somewhere - that makes me think you see them as boats not Islands :)
Seen your specialty magazine analogy before and it makes sense. And yeah, people are people and the unsavory types are found everywhere.
Oh yes, I am sure some of them will survive and thrive, just as there are still magazines today, there may not be many where I currently live, but I am sure that there are still quite a few of them surviving.
Omni Magazine, was one of my favorite magazines, they print died in 1996, and e-died in late 1997 according to wiki. An example of a great magazine dying with the death of one of the founders. I have to wonder how many of the Tribes will survive a founder just hanging it up because of back-lash or a desire to do something else.
I wonder too. A fair few of the founders are witnesses and have been around a while and perhaps through pride alone, they wont give up until it's very clear things aren't working.
Curated by @adsup a division of @ADSactly.
Shifting sands and changing tides.
We have what I consider to be a second chance, you can not create a social media site with an anti-social community, stakeholders that don't see the value in their projects and a huge stakeholder liquidating the value.
We are adding Tribes and tokens to our holdings and trying to support more community efforts.
Hoping for better winds soon
Thanks @adsup, I completely agree.
A second chance for stakeholders to act differently than those with SP who chose to delegate to bots and or not manage content in the main shop window.
I have seen the tokens coming into your account, and this curation effort is much appreciated :)
I could do with a coffee right now, thank you sir!
Understand exactly what you are saying here @abh12345. It's true we need to re-evaluate the time we spend on these investments. Tribes are now a new wave and soon, I will just concentrate on those that have potential. They need to be tested in the next 6 months.
Indeed. My time management hasn't always been great, especially when you look at it from a financial point of view. I get lost in doing things for others too easily :)
Right now I'm juggling a handful of tribes but will likely focus on fewer once we see which look the most promising.
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The tribes are fun and have invigorated a lot of steemians but will they have staying power? I hope so. I hope they don't reach critical mass then implode as people attempt to cash out when the buyers ain't buying no more.
Yes I agree, I'm enjoying them and see much better Trending pages for one.
New investment is required for sure, any ideas on who'll be the first tribe to start bringing em in?
That's my story that none of them will. Nobody seems to be making the moves. :0/
No Moo's like Jagger?
I was hoping Splinterlands or Actifit would have them flooding through the doors, and maybe they are but that isn't what's going to move the price...
Hehe, no Moos!! Lol
It's all a bit nuts. The price of all cryptos is just plain gash. Boo hiss. Give me 2017 back
Dear @abh12345
Powering down for many of is not something we enjoy and I can only imagine how difficult this decision have been for @steemcommunity owner. Is @paulag managing this account?
I think we may need to wait for SMT.
From a point of view of new user, who doesn't understand blockchain and do not know what STEEM is about - it is just to difficult to join any project build on steem-engine.
Yours
Piotr
We both manage the account and share ownership.
I have my doubts about SMTs simplifying anything. New sites will pop up like the Scot tribe sites and they will have their own nuances like we have at present.
The simplification, as I see it, will come for the end user as they are on-boarded by a tribe or SMT community and stay within those realms - because they don't care for card games or porn and just like photography.
As I've mentioned in other comments, we are at the forefront with many options to consider - some of these tribes could be huge and I'm taking small bets on many as opposed to going large on just one.
Cheers
Asher
Dear @abh12345
So do I. I'm mostly wondering how SMT could possibly affect price of STEEM. People seem to believe that SMT will be a great thing for STEEM blockchain. However I just don't see how SMTs can increase STEEM buying pressure.
I've think never actually thanked you for your previous comment. So let me do that now: BIG THX buddy :)
Perhaps you could also visit my latest post and share your own view on discussed topic. I would love to hear your opinion.
Yours
Piotr
I think part of the problem is the pricing market we are in right now. With Steem at <.25¢, lots of people say screw off, I can’t be bothered. If the price of Steem and crypto in general goes back up to some moderate levels like 1$ similar to when I joined, I know lots of people will come back/join. Steem has a pretty large, dedicated community of people during these downturns, the upswings will add more in time.
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The market is definitely a big factor. I'm less likely to support fair-weather Steemians though and would rather support those who stuck out this big bear.
Sad to hear about the powerdown, but can't blame @paulag at all, only thanks for the unselfish work with all the minnows. As for tribes, I see the potential in a a few, but kind of agree with her: it seems nowadays every little thing has to have it's own tribe and token, and since I only see engagement going down, it makes me wonder where some of the tribes are going to get their members... apart from the fit-on-all-tribes types with the shitposts and the 20 tags 🙂
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Yeah I can't blame her at all. Her time has been much better spend on the fringes of Steem and her job outside.
Yeah. Engagement has dropped looking at the league I do each week, but that is more about Stem price than anything else I think. Someone/something does need to start to attract new blood soonish - a price rise would do it but I'd rather it be an awesome product.
I have no idea which you are talking about... :P
Thanks! :D
Shifting sands indeed @abh12345. That's quite a biggie. Paulag powering down. What with that and the Guilds in Splinterlands and the new double rules and then HF21 it's feeling like quite a big shift. Not to mention all the new tokens and tags.
I really need to take a season off from playing so I can look at my stats and organise my cards but I've been saying that for yonks. I simply don't have enough time to play and organise.
I see you've joined the Team Possible Guild. That's good news. 😁
Just to be clear, @steemcommunity are powering down, not Paula, and she'll be moving the stake to her excelclub project i think.
Yes I'm signed up and sent 20000 DEC over for starters - need to earn some more now!
Boy, investment decisions right now are pretty difficult. I still need to pay bills so BTC drew the short straw and I sold a bit of that for cash. So far I haven't powered down Steem but have been putting more sweat equity and some outside investment into it. With the tribes becoming available and the low price of Steem I'm been moving a bit more into it. I have split into two accounts to try to get better control over where my vote is going to and produce more targeted posts for the tribes. There seems to be a lot of potential but it feels like we are sailing around in some very foggy seas right now.
Yep foggy seas - but a clearing could happen at any time?
A couple of alts to manage stake is a good plan, especially for those of us using crypto to help pay bills. Good luck!
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@abh12345 -
This post touches on so many issues that have been on my mind, lately. I keep on being invited to take advantage of air-drops, join platforms and tribes that I find myself pulled in what feels like 50 million different directions. I also stupidly made a remark on a post from @themarkymark about Jerry Banfield and find all my posts being downvoted by three of his acolytes' accounts - which have either been powered up or received huge delegations. For obvious reasons I'm not mentioning them here, but if you check out my post from yesterday, you'll see the three downvotes. So your point about the bullies and baddies being back is not just well made, but I'm experiencing it. As is another PHC, @abitcoinskeptic.
I acknowledge that change must happen, but that said, there was a discussion in the PHC discord yesterday, in which I said the following:
I have made a conscious decision to do three things: continue posting (creating) and to do a bit more curation - which as you know, takes a lot of time away from creating, and thirdly, to confine myself to platforms/interfaces that integrate with Steemit in a way that's most user-friendly for me. I will also continue to be part of communities that resonate for me and that operate in, for want of a better analogy, the broader Steemit church. Oh, and I'm not a gamer or developer, so none of that has any appeal.
Perhaps I'm a salmon, but I've survived two years on the platform and have had some great engagements and met some awesom people.
My 2c worth.
Fiona
Hi Fiona
Sorry to hear about the mindless downvoting, I've been in receipt of that too today (I think it could be the same accounts?)
I think we are on the sharp end of things at present having arrived relatively early in Steem's journey. For 3 years there have been STEEM and SBD, and until recently, maybe 3/4 popular front-ends to produce content.
Now there are 100's of tokens, games, and many more places to curate and create content and so I think many are feeling they are being pulled all over without a clear idea of what is the best route to take.
Just my opinion, but the future Steemians will not have this 'problem', they will be on-boarded via a tribe (actifit, splinterlands, 3speak, creative coin, porn) and stick to that niche.
We are in a unique position though, which although stressful (as change inherently is) has provided the opportunity to be a the front of many queues.
I would continue as you are and have an idea of the new tags available to use when appropriate. You could end up being a whale without doing much different :)
I hope that makes some sense, I might write more on this topic soon.
Cheers
Asher
@fionasfavourites, did you take those downvotes to Freezepeach Discord channel? I bet they can counter at least a couple of them....
Forgot the invitation link ;0)
https://discord.gg/Z3AsMVU
No I didn't. Until now, I didn't know about that channel. I joined flag abuse yesterday and then wasn't sure what to do. This sounds better - thank you. I haven't had any downvotes since this post 5 days ago. I will, however, go and check it out.
(https://steemit.com/powerhousecreatiives/@fionasfavourites/astewisastew-orisit-guncvz45y8). And yes, @abh12345, it's the same accounts.
PS @simplymike - what are you doing on Steemit - aren't you supposed to be on holiday? :D
Lol, we returned earlier, because my back didn't cope with the drive as good as I hoped it would. However, we've enjoyed a great week in France. Now I can try to pick up where I left off :0)
I never heard of Flag Abuse before... learning new things every day :0)
Sorry to hear about your back, but glad you had a good time.
The channel is actually called Flag Rewards...
https://discord.gg/fJChVj
Aaaah.... steem flag rewards.. I did know about that one 😉