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RE: [solved] AM I A VICTIM OF VOTE STEALING? - perhaps your account has been also abused and you don't even know it ...

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Hi Piotr,
I think that this is related to you using steemvoter. Here a capture from FAQ of Steemvoter:

Since dlease is also powered by Buildteam, I think that explains the reason of the upvotes.

Best regards,
Achim

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Yes, this is possible and could be true for @crypto.piotr, if he had signed up for steemvoter.

In my case, when I first experienced it about 3 months ago, I wasn't even a member of steemvoter, and hence it was not related to steemvoter.

Nonetheless, thanks for pointing out steemvoter. I notice some of my upvotes (10 in all) since 14 days ago have been through steemvoter. I, in fact, mistook one of it for vote stealing.

Dear @devann

I would like to thank you again for pointing out at this issue.

The truth is that according to priscreen provided by @achim03 - we all agree for Steemvoter to upvote it's content. I cannot find any mention about my approval for 3rd parties to use my upvotes to reward their content (as dlease is a 3rd party app; it is not steemvoter and I can hardly see any judge or lawer disagreeing with it).

Reality is that my trust towards this tool is already broken :( That shouldn't be this way. And this is not a "professional" opinion. It's an opinion coming from noone but "regular joe".

Yours
Piotr

Dear crypto.piotr,

DLease is not a 3rd party, both DLease and Steemvoter are services by BuildTeam. That is a little bit like Gmail and GDrive, both are owned by Google and thus linked with each other.

If BuildTeam was using your vote to upvote, for example, Utopian or SteemSTEM, then you'd be correct. But the current usage is stated in Steemvoter's ToS.

This is because you are not here enough to learn all the rules and quirks of this place, @crypto.piotr. Signing up for things is only Step One. The whole steem ecosystem is very complex and you need to monitor everything you do here.

If you are only coming in a few times a month, you will not have enough time to figure things out fully. I totally object to the term "vote stealing" in this case, since you gave your permission without knowing what you were doing.

I use @steemdunk for autovoting. I have been very happy with them for 1.5 years. Maybe you can give them a look, but read their terms and conditions if you do.

I also use Steem Dunk! (steemdunk.xyz)

Dear @crypto.piotr

I had experimented with steemvoter about a month ago and signed up for it authorizing it to upvote certain authors. That was about a month ago and it doesn't explain the earlier unauthorized votes selling from my account.

The point I am making is that I did forget that I signed up for steemvoter and authorized it to upvote certain specified authors, until I read @achim's comment. You need to rule out such a possibility for yourself too. You need to be absolutely sure about it as otherwise you might be putting innocent people in the crosshairs.

Dear @Crypto.Piotr,

I don't want to impose or be divisive in any way but, since I've seen a friend who used to use Steemvoter having a similar problem, with another account (can't remember which was it), decided back then to not use it and just keep it stored in favourites 'just in case'.

A great friend introduced me (will keep her identity concealed) to @SteemAuto, that has the autovote feature and a lot of other very useful and configurable tools, it's free and although I share a little bit of my reward income that is completely optional. Plus, never had a problem with it, the only times there were problems they were my fault.

I would even share a lot more to give support for the quality of all the services/tools but will leave that for the time when I become a whale!! x)

Having said that I will only add that, maybe it's time for You to change services/tools to 'better' ones..

All the best,
Cy

BIG THX for always being so responsive @cyberspacegod

Appreciate.
Yours, Piotr

Perfect! I was about to show this before checking through the comments first.

This is the reason why I don't use steemvoter for automated votes as we equally have steemauto offering this service for free!

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There are many perks that steemvoter does more than steemauto. But to each their own requirement, every good thing came with a price if my voting power already exceeding certain amount, I'd like steemvoter to keep me as subscription base rather than pay with my vote. But currently since I'm still small, I don't really mind if they make use of some of my votes. I'm a happy customer for both 🙂

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This explains it

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Dear @achim03

Thank you for that valuable information. That could be indeed a problem. Personally I do not use steemvoter but I remember signing up very long time ago to see what is this software about.

I strongly believe that information that they will be using accounts to upvote their own account should be more visible (during registration) as it would allow to aviod such a heavy surprisses.

Now the challenge will be to remove dlease access to my account and ensure that those unwanted upvotes will not happen in the future.

I also wonder how come that many of @steemsports posts have been upvoted (as I never had anything to do with their profile and I do not share their passion towards NBA).

Thank you again Achim
Piotr

This is sadly not the correct fix as the votes happens on steemvoter.com, so to stop them would require to disable the account there. The @buildteam authority has nothing to do with this. Please read my in-depth comment on what happened here: https://steempeak.com/steemit/@reggaemuffin/re-cryptopiotr-am-i-a-victim-of-vote-stealing-perhaps-your-account-has-been-also-abused-and-you-don-t-even-know-it-20190515t154949895z

Now the challenge will be to remove dlease access to my account and ensure that those unwanted upvotes will not happen in the future.

you can revoke any of dApp by editing this link and replacing the app name: https://steemconnect.com/revoke/@APP_NAME

Example: https://steemconnect.com/revoke/@dlease

I also wonder how come that many of @steemsports posts have been upvoted (as I never had anything to do with their profile and I do not share their passion towards NBA).

It completely an action by @steemvoter it can vote on any post on your behalf and @steemsports is one it's family accounts.

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This is sadly not the correct fix as the votes happens on steemvoter.com, so to stop them would require to disable the account there. The @buildteam authority has nothing to do with this. Please read my in-depth comment on what happened here: https://steempeak.com/steemit/@reggaemuffin/re-cryptopiotr-am-i-a-victim-of-vote-stealing-perhaps-your-account-has-been-also-abused-and-you-don-t-even-know-it-20190515t154949895z

Thanks for your clarification. I was barely answering the question highlighted and I understand it's from steemvoter as stated in the last part of my comment.

Since you say you are aware of these complaints from users and working to solve it with a new version of steemvoter, there's really nothing more to say other than "good luck and hope it gets released sooner".

We already have beta.steemvoter.com :) just that we don't kick out existing users of steemvoter.com

Does your link work if I used steem keychain to sign in to the dApp, @akomoajong?

Thank you in advance for your response.

No, it uses Steem connect. Steem keychain is just an alternative to steemconnect which was developed by steemit Inc. You shouldn't be scared to use it as it is open source and very secured. Also, if you login on steemit.com with your keys steem connect is even a better option.

I login on steemit and other dApps with my posting keys but I carryout all my transactions through steemconnect because I'm sure of the security.