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RE: DualPost Blacklist - Identifying Steem milkers on Hive

If you do not grasp the explicit answer to your rhetorical questions, nothing I say to you will enable you to do so. However, reasonable people reading our conversation will.

Support tyranny at your peril. That's the simple truth you deny.

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I'm assuming Steem is the tyranny here.

Please answer how shitposting to Steem and dumping whatever pennies are earned from that onto the markets is supporting Steem?

The only thing that gives Steem value is it's community.

You are part of that community.

That's how.

The only thing that gives STEEM value is its exchange listings.

There are countless coins without any real communities that still have high valuations.

The possessors of those tokens are communities. They may not have a social media platform linked to the tokens as does Steem, but those communities are generally possessed of common use cases, which for Steem is the social media platform. Even Tron has a community of sorts. It is utterly disingenuous to claim other tokens don't have communities, and contrary to long established and common practice in reporting and discussion of cryptocurrency. Making such a claim is therefore patently false.

Please refrain from false claims. Is your intention to simply prevail in an internet argument, or to actually implement sound policy based on superable principles? Making false claims is only potential of winning the Special Olympics of Internet Arguments, and actively prevents undertaking of sound policies based on reasonable principles.

Not something I've known you for. Hope I don't need to now understand you to intend to do that.

Is your intention to simply prevail in an internet argument, or to actually implement sound policy based on superable principles?

Big words. What I intend to do is power down the rest of my Steem Power, dump the liquids and get the hell out of there.

I have to wonder the timing of this blacklist and all the grandstanding that goes with it.

I note @arcange is not known for grandstanding, and suspect you mischaracterize his post. Perhaps recent events have impelled his thinking, and he posted his honest thoughts on the matter. I clearly agree with his thoughts, so that may bias my opinion.

None of my comments in any way disparaged dumping Steem. Indeed, I recommend it. That does not support the owner of Steem, tyranny, nor slavery in any measure. Hell, at this point we're damn near in agreement.

I note @arcange is not known for grandstanding, and suspect you mischaracterize his post.

I'm talking about you.

Perhaps recent events have impelled his thinking, and he posted his honest thoughts on the matter. I clearly agree with his thoughts, so that may bias my opinion.

He says he's just opposed to milking. He does not want anyone to milk Steem. He wants to defend Steem. What I'm also surprised by is the timing. Why take such a strong view now? Why would anyone pro-Hive do so in the first place?

You, on the other hand, have done little else but talk in hyperboles.

None of my comments in any way disparaged dumping Steem. Indeed, I recommend it. That does not support the owner of Steem, tyranny, nor slavery in any measure. Hell, at this point we're damn near in agreement.

Comparing what happens on Steem to slavery is ridiculously hyperbolic. I find it really odd that anyone pro-Hive would be opposed to shitposting to Steem and dumping the rewards and buying Hive with the profits to such a degree as to create blacklists to put people on for that - or vocally support those actions.

So, to take down a tyranny do tyrant acts yourself?

I am unable to undertake tyranny. I am not empowered to do so.

What I can do is rule myself without reservation whatsoever.

My employment of a blacklist enjoins no one to do so. I only filter my feed.

How is that tyranny?

Threatening/punishing someone with some kind of bad consequence to follow and do exact what you think is the right thing (as long the opposite of what you think is right doesn't cause any direct harm to anyone, but that is why we evolved as are still evolving laws), even when there as opposing opinions on the matter, well... That is basic tyranny.

You don't have to be a ruler to be a tyrant. You can do that on your influence circle.

So, the problem here is not the opinions anyone have about what is right or wrong to do, but to impose this opinion through force (in this case, the threat to flag).

Doing things in this direction will only turn you on the same thing you are claiming that you fight against.

"You don't have to be a ruler to be a tyrant. "

Bullshit. I have no power to force, I am incapable of oppression.

I have been held as a slave for years. I was captured at gunpoint, and forced to work for my very survival.

That's tyranny. My filtering my feed and letting folks know why is freedom and sovereignty, and you don't know the difference.

I do.

Sorry to hear that something like that happened to you, or anyone. Even if i don't like that someone.

But power comes in many forms.

Guns have power.

But words also have power.

Small actions also have power.

So, it's not because you don't wish to become a tyrant that you are not sucetible to eventually commit acts of tyranny.

I cannot commit tyranny unless I have the power of force.

Exercising my sovereign authority over me and my property cannot force anyone to do anything - unless they are under my authority and my property.

No one is.

I am not susceptible to undertaking tyranny and never will be.

You must factually define tyranny as dependent on force, or fail to be factual. When you do, we will be in agreement on this issue, and I will have achieved my purpose in my comments here. You doing you is sovereignty. You forcing anyone is slavery, tyranny, and wrong.

Same for me. I fully support your right to be a tyrant - but I will not submit to you, and will oppose your policies with every means at my disposal. I will blacklist you without compunction whatsoever if you support Sun Yuchen's personal possession (Steem) by comprising the community that endows it with value, and not oppress you one bit by doing so.

Further I will absolutely work to persuade others you are a tyrant, and a danger to them. I will be right to do so. Hopefully, I will enable enough others to see the hazards of listening to you or supporting you in any way that you are convinced it is not in your best interest to continue to support tyranny, and will change your ways.

I reckon that's the best we can hope for in this matter. Or do you have a better outcome in mind?

Sure, call the guy who tries to argument and discuss a situation a tyrant, and move on to try to public shame him, mostly because he have a different opinion.

This is not a tyrant act right?

Sorry, but you just proved my point.

You are just declaring that you will use your influence power to harm someone else that disagree with you.

But that is not tyranny right? Because you have the "moral high ground" right?

See, when a tyrant can't provide solid arguments to prove his point, threats and the use of force/slash power is what they resort to.

Not calling you a tyrant per se, but again, you just proved my point that you don't have to be a tyrant to do tyranny acts.