I'm looking forward to when we grow bigger to see studies being made around some of the events unfolding around this place lately, cause I can't make much sense of it. One thing that could explain it is that some people just wanna quit their hive presence and are looking for something or someone to shift the blame to.
There's also this weird psychological thing when it comes to downvotes, not just when you're personally affected but when you witness it happen to others that it's hard to get involved and voice your opinion on the matter because there's nothing to gain from it. Similar to how there's nothing to gain from casting downvotes, either, but you just gotta do it when the actions call for it. Another thing is the reaction to them. I've been on the receiving end many times during this chains lifetime, from your random bernie mood swings to retaliation downvotes to some hive maxi's deeming some projects I run illegitimate use of the reward's pool even though it's clear as day that it is helping user retention, acquisition and traffic generation to our front-ends.
One thing is for sure, there will always be people who don't agree with you. I've come to understand that, it'd be weird if you didn't. The bad part is that some don't want to understand at all cost, that's where you usually waste the most time on because you're there arguing with them even though it is something that should be quite common sense of misuse of the rewards pool, but they don't wanna understand it.
The other thing is that they instantly become loud about what is happening, doesn't matter where you're coming from, what else you do on the blockchain that far outweighs this action that's perceived as "bad" by a few. They start doing their rounds in discord servers, hive comments, and I even saw some tend to twitter "Acid is destroying hive with his downvotes".
The last thing is that people hold grudges here, they're usually the first to side with the disagreeing party just because you're involved so they like throwing some shit your way even though they may disagree with the account they're defending, there's more value to be had for their agenda to side with them and make you out to be what you're not. This one is quite disappointing considering we're all living under one ecosystem and sharing the same currency, but again, all kinds of people from all over the world - you can't agree and be on the same level with everyone.
I'm not going to go into the specifics of what I talked about above again, I mentioned some of it in a post a few days ago and there were more comments than I'd like to admit I bothered engaging in trying to make them understand. In this post I wanted to quickly bring up a new example I witnessed today, not really new, but a good reminder of some stuff we may see here that some times really boggles my mind how we can be not just gullible to allow to happen but even participating in it.
There was one account doing daily giveaway posts - yep, those kinds. The kinds where it's 80% copy pasted post going over the rules with some unique cards or nfts being showcased that day along with a new contest where you can win some hive/hsbi/upvote for 1st/2nd and 3rd price.
Total of the rewards being given away: slightly above 1 hive and 1 upvote by the author.
Average author rewards being generated by the posts: ~$5 (after curation cut)= 30 hive.
That's over 30x profit margin.
Low effort posts, where you announce new winners, show some cards you opened from a pack, rest of post is footers/intro from previous ones: check
Low effort participation, where you have readers guess a random number, so you can get many to participate without them having to do much: check
High automated votes, 80%+ were SBI, ecency and some autovotes/trails and let's be generous here and say 20% from the participants: check
This user was angry because his posts were being downvoted. (not by me this time), but it was interesting to read the exchange anyway as there were people defending him and talking about bad about the downvoter - which I've become very familiar with lately.
Personally it was hard to defend that author as I'm fairly certain I know what he's doing, they all do. They wouldn't be doing these posts if it didn't net them a profit, they probably wouldn't have bought all those SBI shares if they didn't think they could farm them out to get all that money back and instead of creating unique and original posts with some effort behind them and growing a genuine audiance that wants to read them, they turn to these activities instead.
Now I understand that a lot of people may not understand how Hive works, even older users who never bothered to dig deeper, but it's kind of hard to ignore those defending these actions that are quite literally taking rewards from everyone else and earning them for doing close to nothing of value to this blockchain.
Getting a lot of participants in this is probably quite easy, people like the chance to win something for "free" (even though they don't realize what the cost is), and if it only takes a few seconds to participate it's even better.
How do you reckon giveaways work on web2? We could ignore the big boys like Mr Beast who've made a career out of it in a way. For regular content creators they do them in moderation because they have to actually give away a lot of value when they host them. The cost is high, they can't make that back from ad revenue in one video, but they do it either way because they get more followers/subscribers, comments, etc, they stand out for a short time basically. If those followers are worth it is another question, but my point is. Giveaways aren't meant to make you money.
What kind of fantasy world are we living in where people are literally farming these giveaway posts daily, making 30x more than what they give out and we're supposed to let them.
I had a nice comparison I told someone I was discussing the reasons why that's not sustainable for hive nor feasible as @hivegc did a contest recently.
First of all, it's one of few, they haven't done many.
Secondly, they gave away 95 hbd to 3 winners, that's more than both of their posts earned even with my votes.
Thirdly, to participate you had to write a unique and original post about a certain moment/memory that's happened to you in gaming.
I.e. the intention wasn't to profit off of the contest. The intention wasn't to make it a regular thing where they'll start giving away less hbd now and hope the autovotes surpass what they give away. The intention wasn't to just get a ton of participants easily by random people by just asking them to write their username in a comment.
Yes, it's nice that on Hive these contests can earn some of the rewards they give away back, but that should not be taken for granted nor should it be made your primary business model because at the end of the day that's inflation coming from all of us staying staked here or having converted fiat/other crypto into hive and powered up. It's called proof of brain for a reason, you gotta use your brain to create rewards, else we can just remove the rewards pool altogether and switch to proof of stake and advertise our feeless tipping, let's see how much your giveaway posts will make then.
Anyway, it's 6 am and I couldn't sleep so thought I'd shit out this post real quick.
I've seen these giveaways a few times, generally just ignored them because they are pointless and give away pennies.. Never actually thought about if the post was actually worth the value its getting.
Should really try keep that in mind more and downvote more often. God knows there is plenty of crap to downvote.
There are always stuff to downvote. It is crazy easy to make tiny sum of money at hive.
The giveaway of nothing posts should at least be rewards declined.
Also, I have no idea what SpendHBD is doing, but it seems super scammy - do you have any clarity on it?
@starkerz can chime in I suppose. It's one of those projects which I guess if it doesn't keep growing then it's going to get farmed eventually. Getting discounts daily for going and buying food at the store outside is a nice way to get merchants to accept hbd and users to spend their hbd, but if it doesn't bring in more it's mostly going to be the same people low effort posting and claiming the value from inflation for doing the same thing over and over.
I think they lowered the discount recently and have been growing, so I guess as long as the experiment is working it's a nice way to bring in new people to the chain but hopefully it won't become stagnant as they may have to rethink their model by then.
Most of the Spend hbd post are one picture and 2 lines, these people are on hive to pay there groceries they dont care much about hive (which is understandable when it's hard to just pay for your groceries) but i dont think that the project is bringing much to hive, it bring customers that use hbd to pay but won't buy/hold hive -> might even sell the one they get
Scammy as fuck. I wrote a quick post about it a few months back and nothing changed. I've just asked a few pertinent questions in comments in the last few days, none of which have been answered.
They did. But other people used their brain to identify that their rewards were deemed to be a fraudulent, low effort use of the reward pool. In my opinion, that's good.
If the engagement is artificial (more like a gleam give away, eg to pump up follower numbers or subscribers) - then the only person it benefits is the person running the circus, not the people participating, because guess what, there's only gonna be one winner - and it isn't the name the wheel spin who determined who won.
"Fee-less" tipping would be a disaster. That's basically every hive-engine token. I know I keep saying that people create because they want to create, but I know that a lot of people are on hive not for that reason alone.
I participated in this and other giveaways and I benefited from them. Until they were destroyed by DVs.
The big problem with DVs is that there are no set rules and it's up to whales to do whatever they feel like. Being stake weighted, it's a small but rich minority that dictates those rules, applies them however they want and they don't even follow them.
I'd rather have a button that said rules and explained what could and couldn't be done. Posts following those rules couldn't lose their rewards, posts breaking those rules would lose their rewards. Simple.
That doesn't interest the powerful, though. In the current system, if any small user is the target of a whale, there's nothing they can do, which is what happened to me because of discord disagreements where I was never rude.
And the whole thing about the "post bringing (or not) value to Hive" or "adjusting rewards to what the post is worth" is all BS because it's subjective. For me, the giveaway posts bring a lot of value. Posts with a lunch photo, or some random vacation photos have no value to me. I don't care about those. Seriously, this post is just a rant about posts that are considered "abuse" by whales and it gets a lot of upvotes because obviously those whales agree with it. What value does this bring?
That's why DVs should not exist. Upvotes are already stake weighted so why give double benefit to the most powerful users? I get DVs and I can't get any meaningful fight back.
And it's funny when I read the term "farming the reward pool". The reward pool is there for rewards. Upvotes are supposed to be used, although not all of them are because there's always people inactive, on vacation, or whatever. The point is that most of the upvoting power is used and that's what it is for. Regardless of the post I vote for, be it the most popular or the least popular, at 100%, I'm voting with my own HP and it's the same amount being distributed. There's not more Hive being given by my vote when that vote goes to what whales consider a low or a high quality post. It's exactly the same. There's no extra inflation because of that. If there are 10 times less posts I'm still gonna upvote the same amount and most people will too, in order to make the best use of their own HP. By giving these DVs they're just driving people away which only makes Hive price go lower and lower. In the end, that's what's gonna happen. While will be a handful of people with a ton of HP voting among themselves (which they already do) but it will be worth nothing because everyone else left since blogging was cool 20 years ago and they managed to drive everyone else away.
There are numerous examples. I can come up with a list and plot.
Here in the comments some of our favorite hivers are teaching others how to farm hive reward pool.
And people still have Auto-vote on for them!
https://peakd.com/blog/@dotwin1981/it-doesnt-make-sense
They are now even talking shit about family that they don't even know!
How sick can these people be?
But I am not going to take the low road here, because after everything we are here for fun. My friend clayboyn send me this many months back as a roast. I think for Alex this is apt! :)
This is how people in Splinterlands community feel about Alex.
That is a very strange comment discussion there, and sometimes even hard to follow in German. There, too, I have the feeling that the reason for the DV is still misunderstood. After going through the timeline, it was very quickly very clear to me - but I have that perspective inherent already, as I got that hammered in during my on-boarding.
I'll take that as a lesson to include into my own on-boarding manual. What counts as farming, what is valuable content, and so on.
Yes, these guys for some reason, thinks I hate Germans! :)
Would you please tell them in German, and you are German, and you are my close friend:) :)
Don’t forget to share the “duck food video” :)
That's what they meant with racist? I was wondering about where that came from... And yes, the duck-food-video is the perfect start to rebuild trust in your comprehension of and admiration for German culture. With a link to the Boudin bakery and eating bread for all meals in a day. That proves that you're basically German.
Ha ha! Thank you! :)
lol yeah had a read through those comments, not sure if lost in translation or weird misogyny going on there.
Advising people to just create new accounts to continue their attempts at taking rewards from the pool for low effort giveaways is not good, we don't need more of that. If your post is about the giveaway, most of the comments are about the giveaway, it's a giveaway post aimed to farm profitable rewards while minimizing effort. Other than a picture of cards from a pack and some random mention of a coin on an exchange I didn't find much else that was original or worthy of effort to be rewarded up to $5 (30 hive) per post there.
Hive isn't meant to fund your card pack purchases at the cost of all other stakeholders. Most of the votes being bought don't help your case.
PS. streamers have a word for people who keep watching their content even though they dislike the streamer, it's called a hate watcher. I'm sure we have a few of those.
We certainly have a few hate watchers.
There are truths that bother. 🤫😅
Oh, and now you owe me two lists and plots. One that states that our comment escalations are longer than most posts, and the examples for hive farmers. Another 3, and I'll start a list with a plot 😜
Nah! I think I won't make that list and plot!
What if most of the people on that list are Germans!!!
They will say I hate Germans!
while the reality is I HATE reward pool farmers, whether they are Indian, Bangladeshi, Americans or folks from Philippines!
😂
I'm pretty sure the list will be very complete and hence diversified. It would be an interesting social study when tied to countries. Which culture is more prone to exploit a community pool? And why? Lack of knowledge, egoism, poverty/needs?
It's crazy how popular Alex has been this period 😂😂
It really is genuine talent to be this infamous..
These people are not sick. They have been hurt by your DVs like me. Alex is a great guy and after reading what you did to him is how I became weary of you. That's why I didn't want you to make the connection between my discord handle and Hive because I knew it would eventually turn out bad for me. Unfortunately, Shade ratted me out and eventually it happened.
I should send Shade some flowers!
Decentralization comes with the good, the bad and the ugly. There are going to be other scams and farms on Hive, but at least some of us pay attention and bring it up to the community so some of us can act. And this is still with 8K active accounts. What would happen if we would get to 100K active accounts? It would become much more difficult to find these farms and Downvoting let's say 1000 accounts or more a day would be quite costly.
Honestly giveaways should be like this in my opinion "all the rewards earned on the post will be the jackpot for the giveaway" so the hoster has no profit and encourage more partecipation, or either burn rewards of the post... As you say they add no value, just copy paste with winners changing, so yea downvotes to reach the value of the given away item would be fair
You will always find people complaining, what usually comes out is that they want a proposal to remove downvotes and selfvotes... Well there is blurt
Yeah @commentrewarder would work well for that instance, but even then is writing "me pls" or "4000" worth getting a piece of the rewards the post generates? I don't really think so. In those ocassions both the post and the comments aren't really that worthy of the rewards.
Yeah comments aswell aren't worth for sure as they are just "count me in"
In my opinion (even if no one asked for it), giveaway should exist on hive as they dont bring value to hive, neither do the comments "count me in + shitty tip bots" on the other hand contest have every right to be there as they often ask for creativty and a some sort of effort not just a copy paste
I have a feeling the people who run the giveaways that actually do it just because they like giving stuff away are pretty few. It's definitely because they are making profit on it!
Yes. It's an age old hive farming model.
:)
😂😂
This is a type of post I see and come across regularly.
I'm always picky about down voting because I feel I don't have a lot of stake yet to actually make an impact (mostly due to delegations... Planning to change later on), also would hate the idea of a down vote battle because some shit who did wrong doesn't want to accept the wrong he did😂
But it is crazy though.. cause how can you do this and expect to get away with it.
30x the expense is borderline illegal in the real world.. then you expect it to fly in here and even when it eventually stops you start crashing out?
Peak man-child behavior tbh...
You can easily make 1000x profit by just using your brain and originality, doesn't even require too much effort depending on where you're posting (community/dapp/etc). It's free to earn, just put some effort, time and sweat into your posts and social presence. If no one is reading your posts, maybe work on finding new authors who may be interested in reading what you have to say rather than looking at how to get more votes on your posts no one is reading, for instance.
I didn't post much the early couple years I was on here and spent most of my time engaging and curating. Many would tell me I'm crazy not to post considering prices were at all time highs back then, but I prefered the long game because I wanted genuine connections and engagement, not fake token command comments and giveaway posts to be all I engage in and over time it has paid off. Others simply choose to take a short cut and eventually hit a wall in one way or another.
@condeas, @schlees what is your take on that? If it is true about the reward/price ratio then @acidyo has a valid point. And I also prefer original content vs. repetitive one. So, as always things have 2 sides.
Original Content is the way.
I honestly dislike those daily giveaway posts A LOT, but in my opinion @dotwin1981's are not pure giveaway shitposts since it is about the cards he is drawing in the first place.
Low effort for sure, no discussion about this point (while ONLY having an eye on the real content behind this), but not pure giveaway shitposts.
He is really interested in those cards and also has implemented his opinion on what he is drawing, even if it is very short, but thats on him.
Others recieved 20$+ for posting stupid cat pictures, so what the fuck?
I also did not forget about vote selling and so much more.
Compare PapaPepper to Dotwin - in my opinion Dotwin is worth way more for this chain since he got a stake and is interested in growing it, even his content is not very unique.
He likes Blurt? His problem (since Blurt is pure crap), who cares about this shit anyway?!
The "reward/price" ratio is crappy, but not interesting at all! As said, would call it something extra to gain for interested people, even knowing very well at least 50% of the people commenting give a shit about the Yu-Gi-Oh cards he is drawing.
People are free to use their Account/HP as they want to, so are the ones flagging it.
If a group/community is not willing to accept this, it has to stand up together and flag WHOM EVER (!) or keep the fuck quiet, but yea... since everyone is scared about not getting good payouts in the end.......
This is how a "self-regulating-system" is working, but just insulting people is what stupid kids are doing - hereby i adress both sides by the way, one more, the other a little less.
PS. I'm not really singling out this user, my post was about two different things and at the same time I know there's many others running these giveaway schemes, thus I'd prefer civil discussions regarding this rather than making it personal.
Just a general FYI to potential future commenters.
This seemed to be the general value of the giveaways, it's not like I was cherrypicking or looking to exaggerate. Most of the posts were earning $5 after the curation cut and before the downvotes.
1 I believe is 1 hive.
2 sounds like a lot less than 1 hive.
3 is pretty much free.
And it should earn so much more. Your rant here is earning $30! Yet, you share none of it while he shares part of it
Generating more discussions than your "content" ever has.
And what does that matter? That's easy. You are a whale, posting about stuff other whales who already follow you and they agree with. Even if a new user made this exact post or even someone not new but with much less reach, would they get this discussion and votes? Of course not!
Most of these comments are basically a big circle jerk. And the rest are like me people who disagree.
If a pedo posts pedo pics in a deep web forum for pedos it's also going to get a lot of engagement. And no one will disagree.
Wow, you're quite delusional and erratic at the moment. Please take a break from the internet.
Yeah it's easier to call me delusional than face the truth.
Btw you start your rant with "I'm looking forward to when we grow bigger". Hive is never growing bigger. It's only going to shrink. It's difficult when the whole Blockchain is based around blogging which hasn't been relevant for at least 15 years. But when the most powerful users treat others like you and nazicon do, it's even worse.
I know the person and I pay him 100 Hive per month.
I will ask him to set his payout to burn, then the conflict should be resolved.
And please stop talking shit about people in German or any other language. Because if you talk shit it is shit that you will get.
because the other side can do magic too! Prime Minister
As I mentioned in this post, it's easy to talk shit about the downvoter and side with the person being downvoted, many keep doing it while ignoring any wrongdoing of the downvoted. It's like they wanna paint a bad picture of some people so bad that they'll ignore every truth.
There seems to be a communication issue. Many people don't see that they hurt others with extractive behavior, vote-farming and pool exploitation. Or at least I hope they don't understand it, that they're not egomaniacs.
As in real life, it's then easy to find others who feel the same. If we don't understand it, we find a culprit and blame him/her. It's easier than dig into the issue and try to comprehend it. "Those up there!" are always an easy target, as we can see all over the world.
That shall not serve as an excuse, though. "Those up there!" usually add their fair share to it, mainly through miscommunication or insufficient communication, or simply mismatched communication in the sense that someone who as a deep knowledge and understanding of the subject communicates on his own level, not recognizing that the other person as a much lower level of subject comprehension and therefor needs a less elaborate style.
About the give-aways. Those who want to extract find ways, always. As I mentioned in my last comment on one of your posts, the view that HIVE is a all you can eat free buffet is unfortunately very common. I think it's a lack of knowledge about how the system works (which I myself am still figuring out) and/or a lack of consideration, which is prevalent everywhere in the world, so it's unfortunately logical that it's encountered here, too.
And from that standpoint, a give-away where one doesn't give, but takes, is an awesome idea. It works just like click-bait, who can refrain from free stuff? Though it isn't free, at all, in a community sense. Which again, is normal. Personalize profit, socialize losses. Corporations keep the profit, society cleans up after them.
That's my take-away (ha. ha. ha. ugh.). Have a good night!
What you must understand that none of them are new! Most of them are as old as hive. However as opposed to thinking about hive as their home, like you abs I believe, they think about hive as a place to make money!
Well many problems arise from that mindset.
The problem for me is not the "making money", that's part of the whole idea. It's the how - and if they're on hive for so long, they probably do know that farming with LQ content is hurting the community. But I'm not here long enough to know who knows and who doesn't. And if I put myself into others shoes, if it wasn't for a certain person banging the netiquette into my head constantly for weeks, I probably still wouldn't know.
Yes they know.
They are farming hive at your expense and mine. This is simply because the reward pool is common.
Yes, "how" is the main problem. I take a lot of offense on that. I pledge to the community to stop this abuse immediately.
I don't know. You say they don't wanna understand it, but I often question if they're capable of understanding it. For whatever reason, many people have difficulty seeing the ecosystem as a whole and recognizing which actions harm it.
Some of these people have been around for ages, so it kind of feels hard to accept that they just don't understand what I'm telling them in 10 different ways at times, but who knows.
Well, they are not putting effort into posts, but at least they are using their brain to figure out how to abuse the Hive rewards pool LOL 🤪
lol that's technically true.
The issue is that people see hive freedom as "i post what i want and should get rewarded" while posting things that arent adding value to hive (copy/paste) and dont understand that the freedom is to downvotes what you dont want too
It's also the curators fault most of the time for enabling this, curators meaning voters as most of them are just auto or paid votes one way or another.
Yep most of votes are automated on hive i think, per exemple on my post (when i still had rewards a few hours ago 🥲) most of the vote are auto votes, the only manual votes are mostly from small accounts with >50 HP, but it is how it is no reward = no interaction
Your posts are getting some okay engagement, why did you get blacklisted by HW?
Okay, but i would love more haha,
I was blacklisted for things i did in the past, spam and multi-accounts.
To "cure" this i need to do 15 posts to show i'm not here just for the rewards/ i leanred from my mistakes.
During these 15 days i wont use redditposh btw because i wouldn't them to think i use reddit post to get rewards despite the appeal
People have always left Hive. I don't think negative upvotes are the main reason.
I was recently thinking about why LEO skyrocketed in price and how HIVE could be made attractive. It would be nice if upvotes were only made with non-withdrawable HP. This would give strong user retention and growth of the HIVE token.
The intrusion of personal interests and narrow interests into the cell will hinder its progress, and I find this truly unfortunate.
I recently joined this cell, full of ambition and hope, but I see these negatives beginning to surface, killing the passion a little.
Not sure what you mean by cell but there's always bad things everywhere, especially in ecosystems that give you a lot of freedom's and new things to discover. This is one of those where we have people/community combat rather than, say at youtube, it's mostly bots/AI flagging content, giving out strikes, etc to accounts with little oversight.
Here we can talk things out and hopefully come to a solution, but it makes the things some times take way longer and be more demanding and time consuming, often because the abuser does not want to find a resolution. In that case the community has to protect what makes it work.
I think this is an ideal analysis of how this ecosystem works.
However, since this ecosystem relies on social governance, any shortcomings must be addressed with effective proposals that "satisfy the majority" and are supported by the community, as is always the case.
The problem is that this "majority" is a minority with a lot of power. That's the biggest downside of stake weighted projects. Just because you have money, it doesn't make you a good person. This is especially true in the internet with people hiding behind their computer screens and backed up by their wallets.
I agree with you and I find this really unfortunate.
I'm just wondering how much of this is system design versus human behavior. I feel it's a bit of both but human behavior controls the most part because it's decentralization, that means people will decide. I'm only hoping for the best for the he future that's why I respect people like you, you put so much value in keeping the system going
I've noticed the events that your blog is actually about. I'm not here to give my opinion; to be honest, it wouldn't change anything. Because one problem with Hive is that the opinions of accounts with low HP don't count. That's a problem with Hive, but that's a whole other topic.
I'm here to ask something about my giveaways. I do this on a weekly basis and there is also only one HSBI to be won. But I rewrite a large part of it, because a new question is asked every week and in the next part I answer some of the questions and write my own answer to the question. I also always start with the Splinterlands news from the previous week.
Here is the latest example of what these blogs look like: https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@flummi97/weekly-hsbi-giveaway-for-the-splinterlands-community-23
My very simple question is whether these giveaways are also at risk of being downvoted by @azircon or you @acidyo or anyone else for the same reasons. If that is the case, I would stop this giveaway because I would have no other choice, even if I disagree. I don't want to risk my other blogs being downvoted as well, because that's what @azircon did, and to be honest, I don't think that's right.
You asked a question and I gave an answer.
There is mounting request to me for publishing a post with a list of names of all people at hive doing giveaways.
Who are they
Where are they from
Which alt accounts they have
I have the information and I can put that post together, but I am not doing it so far for two reason..
If you and others refrain from doing of obvious extraction activity, that will help the cause. Otherwise you will comply by force.
This activity can't be allowed. That is the answer.
Thanks for your answers @azircon and @acidyo and thanks for the kind words.
As a result I will stop my "Weekly HSBI Giveaway for the Splinterlands Community" blogs, even though it is not 100% clear if they will receive a DV or not. I liked the conversations with the other players, but I don't wanna risk my account or reputation. Yes, I could burn the rewards, but to be honest I will rather use the time writing "normal not giveaway" blogs, like I also do. I enjoy them just as much, and I think they are well received.
I think that would be a wise decision.
You are a good content creator. You should write more about yourself. Mix it up like @beelzael does. He is new, but notice how well he has positioned himself at hive by writing very well done original content of a variety of topics.
Get to know people and network, whether they are German or not. Not all Germans and good. Not all of them are bad either. Also I am told that all Germans hate other Germans. Here is the proof! :)
I adore this guy! Hope we have Germans like him at hive!
For the record, @beelzael is German. :)
Oh, we know each other - I frequently take part in his give away I think they're quite unique and do involve a lot of work, and they create some discussion about Splinterlands which I find interesting.
Maybe instead of stopping it completely, it could be something like giving out half or 75% of the earnings in HSBI? That would still benefit both @flummi97 as well as the winner of the. For example, in the last round it would be giving away 2 HSBI instead of one.
@beelzael that is a valid idea, but as I said I will rather use the time then for my "normal" blogs.
I like the HSBI project, but I see more and more pressure coming to HSBI over the time. There are many people who dislike HSBI, like azircon does. I understand the arguments, but I am not the same opinion.
Makes sense, maybe you can find another format that allows for that kind of engagement. I did like it a lot.
Detach yourself from HSBI.
You don't need it. You don't need to have anything to do with that. Do not touch that with a 7 ft long pole!
... and I do own a Deuter backpack (8 years old now, just got it fixed again). And the beer here is drinkable and the bread is horrible. Except ours.
I thought you are Swedish! Now I feel betrayed!
Beer and bread changes a man.
I will remove all rewards, if I see any giveaway of similar kind.
Please consider posting original content that interest people, otherwise DO NOT post.
I see your spl posts have a ton more effort into them and may even be slightly underrewarded imo. There's also a lot of unique and genuine users with real comments as to compared to the olaf.gui account who was at one point earning the same amount as you but short posts not receiving any real comments almost.
Either way, if your giveaway posts who aren't posted that often are of similar effort I don't think they're at risk of downvotes personally. There's probably more worse cases out there to keep an eye out. But maybe you could consider forfeiting the rewards either way? Since you may be gaining in other ways by hosting the contests. Also maybe consider giving away something other than purchases automated votes that many seem to abuse.
I agree, and I can change that.
For example, this is a decent post
https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@flummi97/splinterlands-one-of-my-favorite-strategies-in-frontier-mode-engde
got nice rewards too. But I just increased it a bit
yeah did the same, wonder if someone's gonna get mad that we adjusted the rewards on that post:P
LOL!
I've never seen anyone who doesn't like these giveaways except for the Scrooge McDucks of this platform. It's crazy when we think about it that genuinely good people that are doing giveaways are stopped when their posts take far more effort than posting a few pictures of bread or someone's alone vacation because their wife goes on vacation without them.
HSBI is the best project in this platform. One that tries to bring a bit more balance to this rigged system, but it is still pooped on by insanely rich dudes who can't stand to see people helping each other.
You claim they don't have any value but plenty of people find value in them. They just don't have the money you do.
Oh and btw, you were telling me that I stopped posting after "3 days of DVs". I resumed posting and guess what, I'm still getting DVed.
yet they stop when they can't profit off of giveaway posts, what does that tell you?
It's getting a bit boring going over these things over and over. hsbi is just profiting off of people, they only curate those paying for it rather than those putting in effort and building an audience like curation projects/regular stakeholders do. Those are the good ones because they don't look at how much you delegate or pay them to give you author rewards.
Anything else is just middlemanning greed.
Of course they stop. If someone was always 0ing your posts wouldn't you try to reason with them? And wouldn't you stop if there was no way to reason with them? They were doing posts like you do, getting less rewards than you do and still they were sharing part of those rewards. The one this post is about has given me plenty of rewards. What have you given me?
How is HSBI profiting off of people? I've gotten a lot of upvotes from them. It's a unique project that works differently from other curation projects. Of course they vote those who have HSBI, how would they do it otherwise? If they voted content like others there would be no need for HSBI. Other curation projects also profit, is that not ok?
And you didn't answer the part about my own DVs.
"How is HSBI profiting off of people? "
Do you think you will recieve all the hive from curation rewards the day they stop the project ?
They existed even before Hive existed. It started out as steem basic income or something like that. They forked the basic income units with the steem/hive fork. They didn't have to do it.
Is the project eternal? Of course not. Nothing is eternal. Nothing stops the person/people managing it from selling it, or one day they need the money and just close, or the business gets into a deficit and they have to stop. Those are possibilities. There's also a possibility that Hive goes to 0.
So far, HBSI has been incredible and gave me upvotes every single post for a long time. So yeah, they are much better than all those whales who not only have ever given me an upvote, some also gave me DVs.
"So far, HBSI has been incredible and gave me upvotes every single post for a long time. So yeah, they are much better than all those whales who not only have ever given me an upvote, some also gave me DVs."
They are nice because they give me votes, yeah once more your here only for rewards
It wasn't the only reason. I was writing about what I was interested: Splinterlands. And it is the perfect place to write about Splinterlands because it's a game on this blockchain. Still, I have been back on making my daily posts, despite the DVs. Doesn't mean I'll do it everyday because I'm always getting 0 rewards but I'm still writing. Remove rewards for everyone and see who still write here. 99,9% of the users are gone in an instant.
This is the first time I've seen somebody spin a project respecting shifts in community consensus to stop voting something as profiteering. You honestly would prefer people to keep fighting you and upvote zeroed content forever?
Keep defending vote selling, while we can see the sense of entitlement people posting garbage keep farming rewards from your project with while doing nothing but participating in blind giveaway posts also farming your votes, instead of engaging and building real connections like regular social media platforms do and getting rewarded for the effort. This is the shit you breed and you're here defending it like a greedy oil salesman.
https://ecency.com/hive-13323/@metronet/giveaway-27-10-dec 1$ in votes and giveaway 0.011$ you might adjust the rewards, i don't have enough DV power for that
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You're being very spammy in your posh attempts, no one is even engaging with them whatsoever. I suggest you take a break and build an audience on your twitter or better yet focus on doing some more productive things on Hive. This isn't going to get you far and is close to worthless activity.
I'm trying to get Audience