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RE: NOPAL4U Guidelines 1.0

in #community5 years ago

Preface: I'm not a PAL team member.

I think you are looking at the censorship issue from the wrong lens. The muted user can still do whatever he or she likes on STEEM because STEEM is uncensorable. Once data is in the block, that's it.

But it's up to the condenser to choose what to display.

On top of that, PALnet is the creation of the PAL organization according to whatever whims or rules they want to follow. The PAL coins are ours to do with whatever we want. And the value of those coins are dependent on PALnet being a place people want to engage in.

You don't need a rule saying threatening people is not OK. There are several centuries of law from all over the world showing that to be as near a universal value as humans hold.

You do need a rule saying doxxing is not allowed because that is less universal.

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The same argument applies to Twitter and Facebook and others. Because they're private corporations, they can kinda do whatever they want in regard to censorship. Well, at least the laws are more lax. What holds them from doing whatever they like is the people. PAL can technically do this if they want...but I can also speak out against what they're doing and flag them for doing it with the little stake that I have.

They need to have clear guidelines in place before enforcement. That's how laws work.

They also need clear guidelines on what the enforcement will be for breaking what laws.

And I would prefer if they had a way for people to influence those guidelines.

They also need clear ways for people to appeal decisions.

The case with twitter and facebook gets fuzzy because they are enjoying legal protections as platforms but then acting like publishers. Putting that bit aside, yes, they can do what they want with their platforms and the market will respond.

Just like you are responding to PAL. You can dump your coins and not use palnet. That will create a market signal.

And sure, it's understandable that you want clear guidelines in place, which is what they are doing with this post. I'm just saying in this particular case I think the mod team made the right decision.

I think having an appeals process is a good idea.

One thing that stuck with me from Joe Rogan's podcast with Jack Dorsey was the idea of kicking a ban decision over to a large set of random users (qualified in some way) to make a distributed decision. I think that's a great model if a super-majority was needed to initiate a mute or a ban and work that into an appeals process as well.

I think that jury of users would be one way to go...though how many and how it would be put forth would be a huge influence. I think random users might actually be more strict than those in power in many cases though.

I'm not as radical as many on here. I am not necessarily against a platform having it's own rules. I don't like them just coming out of nowhere with them. No one knew this was going to happen. This sets a dangerous precedent. What rules will they have in the future? Will they give a warning then? Or will it be another case of just deciding that someone went too far? It worries me.

I don't know if I should dump my PAL. I don't know if I should start removing my "stake". I think by the time I do know it might be too late.

"...they're private corporations..."

Yeah, no.

Nero, the Roman Emperor, became powerful by owning a private fire company. His people would set estates on fire, and refuse to put out the fires unless paid, or put out the fires and seize the estates if the owners didn't pay up. This is the source of the aphorism "Nero fiddled while Rome burned."

InQTel started the big tech companies, and that's the investment arm of the CIA, infamous for creating fake private companies. I have zero confidence any of the big tech companies are actually not government.

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they threatened me all the time!

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and me too and dozens of other people
there is no point explaining to these people they dont understand or dont care or dont know what is going on or at worst know and support the jerkoffs
be well buddy and keep your head up

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I know, like can’t see what has been going on to me ever since i made my first post about flagging bidbots! I was cool here for years, never did a thing until they put the bits on. All this evidence, just got to figure out how to sue them now. We need a class action lawsuit. Thanks!!

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coininstant bud you are far from the only one these jerkoffs are doing this to
thats why i tell everyone get on palnet and they cant fuck with ya there
unfortunately you are having your own problems there
sorry to hear thats happening to you man
get back on palnet as soon as you can man

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I just tried, still blocked. Must not be 24 hours yet! Seriously PAL is a scam. Anyone you send overthrew will get blocked like me is they speak up against tyranny! Gotta wait for thermal SMTs to me out. Pal is just a centralized shit token, scam, a tease, a test, placeholder until the real SMT gets here instead! lol
See it is a scam to get people to sell their STEEM, before they take PAL down! I won't be tricked.
I won't seriously have anything to do with PAL in the long run, glad I got them to show their true colors by blocking me! This should send PAL tumbling Down forsure! PAL is a blip!

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for right now i like it better than steem but the potential is there to ruin it like steem also if we are not careful
have a good day man and dont let em get ya down
the jerkoffs are everywhere

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Yeah they will try to take that away from you soon. One outburst and you may get blocked, be careful in there. The same guy is in control over there, they will try to get you to say something borderline, then the hammer comes down!