What most people call Spiritual Drugs is nothing more than metaphysical woohoo nonsense experience. In other words, blind belief in the "unlocking" of..."something", supposedly "greater" than us. Nonetheless, like Christopher Hitchen's eloquently put it "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence".
Life sucks. For the most part is pain and struggle. This is after all why so many people find themselves desperately chasing delusive concepts such as "happiness". Since the dawn of our evolutionary timeline, human always tried to escape the reality of life by doing physiological "hacks". We turned into hallucinogenic drugs because it was one of the simplest ways to get away from the mundane in a time we knew nothing about how our brains or bodies work.
The way these drugs work is rather simple. In order to function, our brain integrates different signals (such as glutamate and serotonin). What hallucinogens more or less do, is to disrupt these processes so that normal sensory perception is altered by them. This is how the experience turns out to be "different" and "without words".
In other words, the experience is similar to some visual illusions when poisoned, getting hit on the head and feeling dizzy or having a fever and seeing all sorts of....things. People believe in the "supernatural" part of these drugs because they are buying into the cult delusion of trying to find an easy way out from their daily problems.
A good example of these drugs are LSD and Ayahuasca. Thing is, the public seems to be immune to the dangers since almost always there is some kind of conspiracy theory linking them to the "real" reason they are banned. Ayahuasca is a tea, containing the psychedelic drug DMT. It almost always induces profuse vomiting, discomfort and other physical effects before the start of the hallucinogenic experience. It is believed that it brings personal enlightenment by confronting the user with their darkest fears.
I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them. I have tried both DMT and LSD and you just have to be careful. They can be fun but they can also give you a pretty fucked up trip. It is a gamble really.
I this post I am only tackling their "spiritual claims". The fact that these drugs use as a post-hoc narrative after someone is on a "personal quest" should make everyone skeptical. It is much like the fortune teller, making bank on self-fulfilling prophecies. "You will meat a tall blond girl with blue eyes" she says looking through her bullshit cards. The gullible individual hat lacks confidence follows up on her assumption and starts tall blond girls with blue eyes. Eventually he lands one and the fortune teller becomes "the real deal".
Drugs like Ayahuasca work much the same way. People describe their experiences based on what other people have said. After taking the drug they claim that their problems magically disappeared based on the same process that others have described. Similarly, when we watch TV right before we go to bed, we might have parts of the show pop-up in our dream story. The brain is not such an awesome tool. It mostly reshuffles things around.
There no proof, of "spiritual" realms, "astral" or whatever people like to call their experience other than hearsay from the people who make the claims. Truth is not a democracy. Simply, people seem to turn more and more gullible when numbers in support of something increase.
Individuals that gather up around spiritual drug-cults are usually buying into two false narratives. The first one is a classic. It revolves around the idea that if something is "old" or better "ancient" it must be good. The belief comes mostly from westerners that are fed up with the modern world — that rightfully seems to be more and more superficial and fake. But even though the modern world does revolve around fake ideas, so does the ancient one and in a much greater magnitude. We have VR and alcohol, they have plant piss that can mess with some of our brain's receptors.
There is no grand conspiracy about spiritual drugs either. No one is trying to "hide" the keys for unlocking the doors of the 12th Dimension. These things are illegal because at some point some people saw the side effects they had, got scared and so they pushed through democratic means their ban. Governments found out that they could profit and so they reinforced campaigns, pushing other substances as a replacement — such as cigarettes and alcohol. The war on Drugs is a joke but so is the spiritual path towards them.
I am very vigilant when it comes to public education and information that arrives on our laps. I am also equally skeptical of claims that are made from completely uneducated individuals that push "alternative" ideas because they were too lazy to study or even research themselves. I have seen Ayahuasca being pushed by one of the most popular personas here on Steemit, following his own personal path towards "enlightenment". I wrote this so people will think twice before taking these kind of drugs. Bullshit is ok. Dangerous bullshit is not.
I remember doing research on Ayahuasca for my degree thesis. What's "cool" about it is that it was traditionally consumed by indigenous indians of south america in religious ceremonies. It was part of their culture and the ceremonies had a spiritual, not recreational purpose; yet the war on drugs had it banned in most countries. Natives still have several court battles going on to this day, with the claim that its a cultural heritage element and they have the right to maintain it. For western people it rhymes well with the "hippie" trend of back to nature-spiritualism-drugs and chillin'. In my opinion, anyone should be able to smoke or drink whatever they want; however let's not forget that indigenous cultures had no knowledge of modern chemistry and human physiology back then and genuinely attributed these effects to spiritual causes. Purposedly ignoring this knowledge today is just too pretentious.
well said.
It's a portal to demonic dimensions. Those who open that door may in fact be leaving a backdoor down the road. Not 100% certain, but my research is leading my to the conclusion it is not what people make it out to be.
There are definitely heaps of people flocking to the Amazon or local 'shaman' in search of something to fill their emptiness or because they believe medicines , like ayahuasca, will provide spiritual enlightenment. Some may wear their experience like a badge of honor, the simple fact of taking ayahuasca may make them feel as if they are on a higher spiritual level.
However, before we completely dismiss Ayahuasca and LSD, why not incorporate these substances into research and attempt to discern their true potential as medicines?
Ayahuasca, in particular, has the potential to be a powerful tool in treating severe forms of depression, drug addiction and PTSD. So far, the evidence is mostly subjective but their are some in the medical profession that believe in its potential to heal people who have experienced trauma. I'm thinking of the work by Dr. Gabor Mate especially. LSD, psilocybin and mdma in prescribed doses or micro-doses may also be beneficial.
What are your thoughts on this?
Excellent. Many hallucinogenic drugs have worked for depressed people. These drugs today are very useful in therapies. Good answer.
Not more powerful than getting a pet or making some good friends. Medication starts being medication when it surpasses the placebo threshold which is around 33%. Unfortunately, no research on LSD can demonstrated anything beyond that.
I have to point out here that research on the subject is limited due to bias in regards to these drugs. Nonetheless, nothing of significance has be shown. Another interesting part is that modern medication for depression are not any better and might cause even more problems than simple drugs such as Ayahuasca.
It's misleading to say that "nothing of significance" has been shown.
There were more than 1,000 peer-reviewed clinical papers detailing the use of psychedelic compounds (administered to approximately 40,000 patients) published by the mid-1960s.
LSD was seen to have a greater than 50% success rate in treating alcoholics in just a single-session:
Source: Smart RG, Storm T (March 1964). "The Efficacy of LSD in the Treatment of Alcoholism" (PDF). Quarterly Journal of Studies on Alcohol. 25: 333.
In addition, there are studies ongoing today: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/health/lsd-reconsidered-for-therapy.html
The founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson said that, "I am certain that the LSD experiment has helped me very much. I find myself with a heightened color perception and an appreciation of beauty almost destroyed by my years of depression.”
This is just one use of LSD.
Maybe you will enjoy this TED Talk by a current research scientist:
that's like giving weed to tobacco smokers and claiming that it cures puffing.
Since nicotine addiction often is a self-medication for repressed trauma, weed might treat the underlying anxiety and stop the person smoking tobacco.
However, I think LSD would be more effective than weed for nicotine addiction.
Scientists have found that LSD will cure a person of tobacco addiction: http://www.newsweek.com/how-acid-helped-stop-smoking-413593
And other psychedelics are also effective at treating tobacco addiction:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150615-could-psychedelic-drugs-make-smokers-quit
And:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/06/live-like-youre-on-mushrooms/487286/
pets can cure tobacco addiction. exercise can do that as well.
addiction is not a substance problem. Is a human connection problem.
Nice article. I've never experimented with LSD and Ayahuasca, and don't plan to given the associated risks. For those using these so called "spiritual drugs" as a means to reach enlightenment, it's kind of ironic and a pointless pursuit since you are only artificially augmenting your reality rather than developing a deeper understanding and appreciation of the practice of spirituality.
To me it just seems like another excuse to escape from one's woes and deny facing their current reality. At least stick to marijuana, it's safer ~
exactly.
Great information and very well explained. I really liked the way you guided people about these drugs :)
The beliefs in the outer body experience dates back to ancient practices that the natives of the land would practice. The human body is amazing in itself that we can produce naturally chemicals which are exactly to those of using a substance. An example would be a runners high. When the adrenaline gets going in the body you experience some outer body things as well. Substance use disrupts the natural flow of chemicals released in the synapses gap hence the spacey feeling. Serotonin levels be vanish and the users mood swings changes. Great read with interesting information. Reminds me of my college days sitting in those psychology lectures. Peace be with you 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
upvoted, didn't know that.
Did you know that all old religions worshipped fallen angels? That's where these shamanic practices come from, the worship of reptilians and winged reptilians (avians).
Or even the "high" of being in such great physical shape that you know you can run all day long...even in 90 degree heat and 90% humidity. I'm wondering if the "ultimate" high can actually be achieved without the use on any drugs or stimulants. I think proper diet goes a long way towards creating a "natural" high also. It's very tuff to break bad habits, so small gains and steady progress is the way I try to approach things. :-)
Calling bs on a spectrum of reality altering drugs is a bit much? As no one claims they give you special powers, it gives you a higher conscience of yourself and expands your mind.
Mhm. Anyone claiming that people claim spiritiual "bullshit" is just not understanding what these people are talking about.
Through psychedelia, humans experience a deeper connection with themselves. You come out of the experience with a renewed sense of self. Ask anyone.
I'd like to have some examples and evidence from @kyriacos about the type of spiritual bullshit he has heard.
I can't really think of any.
Seems like Kyriacos is creating 2 false illusions here.
When really..
A beautifully well written comment.
I explain that is not "higher" or "lower" . just messes up with your perception much like alcohol does.
I enjoy reading opinions on this matter, i do not agree with most of what you have said and believe you have a somewhat cynical attitude. But regardless, if you compare psychedelics to alcohol, you are most definitely not educated about the reactions that take place in a humans body on either a psychedelic substance or alcohol. There is no comparison, and even though i agree on few things conveyed in this article, i believe that statement has no merit. I invite you to look up the many studies that have been released recently detailing the profound psychiatric implications psychedelic substances carry, and to maybe re asses, at the very least that specific statement. This is obviously not a scientific paper you have wrote and carries alot of personal emotion within it, but that statement is simply not true. And also, there are political reasons that these substances are illegal, and remain illegal. It is not cocaine or heroin, and these substances procure a potential to enhance the sense and broaden the brains capacity for connectivity. If you feel that statement is simply not true, this has been proven in laboratory settings, in double blind studies.
Have a wonderful day and thank you for the article! Much love
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i would love to debate this topic sometime, i like your point of view, even though i am in disagreement with much of it, it was a good read!
How were your experiences with psychedelics like?
dream like, happy, socializing with others, tripping out by-myself looking at the stars. they were pretty awesome, like most good dreams.
I've seen people that ended up in the hospital from a panic attack, hurt themselves trying to do stupid shit.. so it varies greatly. you really can't know how it will hit you because their effect depends on your given psychological state.
I've slowly come to the conclusion that people's bodies are their own property and they should be able to put into them whatever they're dumb enough to.
It's the pseudo-intellectual metaphysical mumbo-jumbo that he vomits onto the keyboard that turns me off about @craig-Rant and I don't know if that's from the drugs or his ego.
absolutely agree
check the dollar vigilante as well. It seems to be the new way to trade cryptos. when everything else fails, drugs come to the rescue.
I bit on the Doll Vig the first week or so when I got here but I've seen that kind of digital product launch promo too many times before and stopped looking. It's sad who people will follow just because they've managed to accumulate some coins.
And while a lot of people seem to think that it takes some kind of special insight, some of them just got lucky and were in the right place at the right time.
Remember, Even a BlindSquirl finds a nut now & then. ;-)
Dollar Virgil is also setting traps for himself which will end up being a part of his "ultimate" demise. The thing he is hoping for (end to the marriage betwixt politics and big business) would lead to the destruction of the bitcoin bubble. There's a reason he failed to recognize the 2001 tech bubble and let a $240 million company go on to become worth next to nothing. And he didn't learn the reason during teh tech meltdown. Dollar Virgil is in fact the type of entity that is creating teh situations he wants to see destroyed. He's stemmits "most interesting member" as far as I am concerned. It isn't very often you get to see a self proclaimed ex-spurt get taken down by his own stupidity. I will be there for every step of the journey. Be careful of the "facts" he interjects into his arguments. he just recently said "the dollar is off by 90% since 2011!"...he meant since he started tracking bitcoin of course. He'll ignore the very thing that will kick his ass until he can't ignore it any longer.
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=Index&symb=dxy&x=33&y=9&time=13&startdate=1%2F4%2F1999&enddate=2%2F18%2F2017&freq=1&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=&comp=none&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=1024&lf2=2&lf3=8&type=2&style=320&size=4&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=11
That's the problem we have in our society, people are always ready to follow a "cult of personality" no matter what their track record is.
I can sometimes spot them now, but I still fall under their spell occasionally.
In my opinion if you're dependent on drugs for having a spiritual experience isn't that by definition materialistic.
That, or opportunistic. Many introspecting drug takers have the belief that it expedites the experience of enlightenment or satori, or, at the very least, gives a taste of what it's like so that they understand what it's all about and can form an opinion on whether it's worth their time to pursue or not.
haha indeed :)
An excellent post. If it contained nothing more than this quote:
Hitchen's eloquently put it "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence"
I will be using this in all future religious arguements for the rest of time!! I thank you!
Yeap, it can debunk half of humanity's crap.
Except when you look hard enough, it turns out a lot of the bible is quite provable.
Flying around with aliens
This article is bull shit. People have already explained why. Also DMT and LSD are synthetized versions of actual medicine. I have been there first hand and had the experience in a proper place. It is not like anything you described. Just saying. Psychedelics are anything but "drugs" and they are NOT for fun. They can be powerful healing tools, not to be abused. It is all very simple really.
I am not arguing so much about their nature as drugs but whether they can induce a spiritual experience.
They induce exactly what the person taking them needs and nothing more. Having expectations to anything in life is a mistake, people create grandoise fantasy's about how something will be only to be left with more questions. Having an actual understanding of life in as big a picture and vast perspectives as possible makes us more well rounded as individuals. To get in touch with spirit, people take many different types of paths. Look were we are at now globally, it's a shit show! People are going crazy all over the place. Yet many of us stay calm and collected seeing through all the shite! Peace.
"spirit" is bullshit word.
debunked here
How Not To Use Scientific References
Hahahahaha. Nice. One cannot debunk what they are essentially made of. If one is not in toich with spirit that is part of their path. You "claiming" things under ignorance does not change what Is. It just surrounds you with negativity and imbalance. Your choice. I choose peace. Cya.
Good post, Thanks for sharing this good info
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I agree with every word. Life is extremely difficult and as a species we do need to cling to fantasy a lot of the time for support. Thank you for sharing this, it was really interesting.
glad you enjoyed it
The problem with sciencism...
Person A: I had this experience..
Person B: "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence".
This is what this entire post is about.
You cannot dismiss experience because of lack of evidence.
And sciencism goes further in that, if scienceism can't explain it, then it was obviously not real. And you are obviously a crackpot, and don't know what you are talking about.
So, instead of science learning from these experiences, sciencism ignores them and belittles them.
I tend to agree. I think this hasn't been tested enough to even begin to assert that Person A's claims are or aren't valid. There may be a lack of evidence, but, as this point in time, it's only for lack of experiments on them.
IMO, the most intellectually honest answer from the "scientific community" right now on this topic is "we don't have sufficient evidence either way (for or against)". We have plenty of anecdotal evidence that drugs can work great wonders for human psychology and just as many that it causes great harm. Maybe both are true and using these drugs requires following a specific procedure to receive the intended benefits.
We may never have a definitive answer, especially since this deals with consciousness -- something that we'd like to believe we understand but don't know the first thing about.
There are people who smoke pot to get high, and there are people who use cannabis to open their minds. That is basically the difference between those it helps and those it harms.
Playing with your mind; going down the rabbit hole... but then you got to get back out.
And if you haven't developed your brain muscle, then it is usually a losing battle.
There are huge piles of similar experiences. Some consider that proof enough. But, since we are talking about personal experiences, it is not something that you can just give to someone who hasn't trod the path. I wish it was as easy as, "here, take this drug," because it really is more about the preparation than the drug.
Wish i could whale up vote this so we can knock all those other comments out.
We actually have evidence explaining the experience. In the same way you can google "visual illusions" and you get a few mind hacks. You cannot claim that the screen is magical because simply we have evidence that is your mind playing tricks on you.
I understand where you are coming from.
I have been there. I studied all of the science.
However, you do not know where I am coming from.
And there is no way for me to explain it to you.
You cannot describe color to a blind person.
So, when you start having these experiences, then you to will throw out all the works such as you have just written. It has happened before, it will happen again.
And when you do, I hope there is someone there to help you while your entire sciencism world crumbles around you.
Sorry, I do not want to be enigmatic, but you have to experience it for yourself. And the idea of it just being the mind playing tricks on you is laughable in face of the piles of shared experiences. There really, truly is more out there.
I have done plenty of drugs. Probably more than you ever have. So really. This saying doesn't really apply here.
This is not a matter of sciencism. There is nothing out there other than death and decay. Whatever you believe is just that. Belief. There is no evidence for anything else. I would like to believe that there is but really, there isn't.
Plenty. Good. probably too much drugs that messed up your mind until you forgot what is the spiritual benefits it may have to individuals. I psycedelicls has helped alot of street drugs users like meth and such to turn over a new leaf.
drugs can't help you get away from drugs
No evidence? LOL Yes there is.
If people spoke about their drug trips the same way they speak about dreams, I don't think anyone would care. It's only when fantasy becomes confused with objective reality that it becomes a problem. There's nothing wrong with having hallucinations or dreams but we can't run around telling people that these imaginary events actually occurred outside of our own brains.
If you were in Tibet, the common parlayance, would be
"but we can't run around telling people that physical manifestations are outside of our brains."
There is more evidence that our dreams are real, and that the 3D world is an illusion. But, we were raised in a country were people don't even listen to their dreams.
I do understand where you are coming from. I was raised in that environment. But I can no longer believe it, as evidence has shown otherwise.
Yes, some cultures are vastly less intelligent than others. If Tibet has a problem with separating reality from fantasy, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. I myself was raised in a christian household and so couldn't tell the difference until around the time I turned twenty. It's an extremely common mental disorder and you're representing it perfectly.
well ... you can use everything for the bad! ... you can even drink too much water too fast and that would also cause huge troubles! ... paracelsus taught us that everything can be medicine or poison depending on how we use it! ... of course the hype around such drugs is probably not good ... and even taking drugs in order to get some enlightement is not the best way to aim for, but for some people it can be medicine! ... whilst using such a medicine our intent is of most importance! ... [ i prefer meditation and hard inner work in order to get some higher experiences ]
it depends what you are after. the point here is the spiritual experience. people imagine things and claim that they are real
It's just that our imagination gets boosted, nothing else. I wouldn't call any tripping spiritual because I have yet to see a person changed for good after doing "spiritual" substances for a quite some time. Same applies to every drug out there. Sober life is the best life. At least you are always responsible for your acts and can't blame any drug for your behavior.
Thanks for the article @kyriacos
There's a very simple thing that needs to be recognized: drugs are just that, drugs. They interact with our physiology. They affect our brain in a variety of ways. And we need to be informed of those ways properly before "experimenting" with any. They don't unlock any mystical understanding of the world, because everything that happens while on drugs is still subjective experience.
I'm all for people taking whichever drug they wish to take, but they need to stop peddling bullshit pseudoscience. Thank you for writing this. (And the Hitch quote was well-chosen)
I believe Sam Harris is someone with valuable insight into this. He is very open to them and ways in which a variety of drugs can affect or enhance our cognition, without falling into pseudoscience and mysticism.
Is that not an assumption?
Give me a definitive answer to what consciousness is and I'll give your words credence. Until then, your guess is as good as anyone else.
There needn't be anything other than a single subject for there to be an experience of "reality", just give it a mind with an imagination and, all of a sudden, "objects" can spring up. Don't believe me? Look no further than your dreams. Imagined objects in a dream are good enough to pass as real, separate, unconnected objects while dreaming. When we wake up, it becomes obvious that it was all imagined -- the whole world in the dream was our own mind. A whole universe inside of a subject's mind!
In other words, perhaps all you need to understand the nature of the universe (reality) is to understand yourself. Or perhaps not.
It may be an assumption with bodies of evidence to support it, but an assumption nonetheless.
Radical relativism gets you nowhere. Ultimately, EVERYTHING is an "assumption" or "guess". That's how it works. We never have ALL the information, and even if we did, we would have to question our perception of it.
We go with the most reasonable one that has the best evidence supporting it and discard the others. so I am going to discard unfounded claims about the mystical nature of experiences created by drugs. Is there a possibility I am wrong? Yes. There always is.
And it's a tiny enough chance to declare anyone believing in that mysticism to be utterly confused just as I would declare anyone believing in homeopathy to be utterly confused.
Not to be an ass, but that's an assumption.
There's no question that we were dreaming when we wake up, no? Maybe we need to wake up another level, that's all I'm saying.
well said.
Good post, I have done DMT and I still think about that trip I was in South America when I did it and it was something I cant explain but since you have done it you know what I mean. I was in a space that seemed as real as the space I am here, typing to you! but after 10 minutes I snapped out of it. As far as spiritual I didn't get anything like that. I had the same problems! It was just a fun little trip and I consider myself lucky it went well! Thanks for sharing and posting awareness.
it was a dimension with demons in it. mystery solved.
Yeap, it heavily depends on mood, health, pre-conceptions and a bunch of other things. Nonetheless, nothing is really "special". just a trip.
Well said. 🌞
I agree it is not something that comes easily you have to work at being happy but it possible without any extra rubbish. I am very happily married but it has been hard work it is something we all have to learn happiness is something that is earned.
Agreed leading people to, or promoting fake shit is up to the person, but when its dangerous and ot needs to be stopped. Some people don't know better.
Yeap, this is why I was inclined to write it. Some people don't seem to know any better and just follow the crap.
drugs are drugs no matter what way you spell it, if they cause you to feel euphoric, then they are drugs and shoudl not be allowed in any country. Get high on life and not on substances.
I am not against drugs. I am against bullshit
Nothing wrong with doing both, better than limiting ones own experience.
@kyriacos If you didn't experience other dimensions, it doesn't mean that they don't exist. I'm just writing post about ego/mind perception where I will mention you, to be more specific your phrase 'new age bullshitology'. You think you know that other dimension don't exist and that everything is just happening in our head. You are completely wrong. But more about that in next articles I will write.
just because you imagined other dimensions doesn't mean they exist.
The 'truth' is in the eye of the beholder. You can believe as you wish and that is your reality, but if someone has a different reality it belongs to them. The problem only arises when one tries to alter anothers reality by telling them it isnt real.
or telling them it is real..and going and having the drug and then they die. that's much worse.
Actually "most" folks don't refer to them as "spiritual drugs," they refer to them as psychedelics and for those of us who really know what we are talking about, they are more frequently referred to as entheogens. You're piece is interesting, always nice to hear what folks think. As a former psychonaut myself I have learned patience and tolerance for the opinions of others, no matter how assumptive they may be. At the end of the day, so much of it is choice. Personally, I would never CHOOSE to limit my own experience.
At the same time, I have seen people fall into these experiences because it has become trendy and often those types miss the point as well.
I have often used that Hitchens quote myself, and you are correct, I cannot prove my experiences to anyone. One apparent difference between us is that I would never feel the need to. It begs the question, why are some folks so keen on trying to prove the opposite? Can you prove that people claiming to have a spiritual experience didn't have one? Evidence presented against these claims is flimsy at best and ridiculous at worst and at the end of the day prove nothing. Respect to you and to your opinions however, we are all entitled to them.
The imaginary and the non-existent are very much alike. As simple as that. Most people imagine things and that has been demonstrated plenty of times in studies. these drugs just create illusions, much like the ones in dreams.
Wawww amazing
DMT saved my life. I was in a dark place and this plant medicine helped me pull myself out of that dark pit. It is not a joke and should be respected and administered properly by someone who is trained in the medicine. I am also equally skeptical but this really helped me in so many ways. I do love that you are pushing for education.
if a drug saved your life then sooner than later you will face the same demon.
wolf in sheeps clothing.
Sometime it is effect because physiologically can effect to someone. Since day one we have free choice that you want to believe or not. Depend on your faith that what are you believing. Sometime unseen are more really than seen.
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very interesting! enjoyed reading this post bro, thanks for sharing
Those are a mixture of real neuro-stimulator with psychology suggestions, that's how things get so mentally "powerful".
Indeed, everything is about the lethal dose 50, understand what is dangerous and what is not at what dose is really important. Just like the "mercury" in vaccine won't kill you, but the virus you fail to prevent will, simple math of dosage.
many people seem to miss that.
Thanks for share...
Brain washed people want anyway to escape the prison their mind trap in
there is always something to take our minds away I guess.
bye
Tell that to the doctors...I think they have their place and can do good for people, even things like LSD, but it must be used with care, education and discipline.
bye morons
LSD has been heavily studied. During the late 1940s through the mid 1970s there was extensive research done that resulted in thousands of papers, multiple books, a few international conferences. It was prescribed to over 40,000 patients as a psychiatric treatment. A recent study done in 2014 showed therapeutic benefits in relieving anxiety in those with life threatening illnesses.
tl;dr LSD has scientific use, backed by doctors.
bye
Read up
Research section on the following page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Research
Psychiatric Use section of the following page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Psychiatric_use
Take note that both pages cite their "scientific references"
Tonnes of scientific research was done on LSD...
fill yourself up on it for all i care -- what a fukcer
You're probably right about the doctors, regarding LSD, but that doesn't mean that it can't be used effectively to treat various disorders or to help achieve psychological benefits. Perhaps we've just yet to discover them in a lab setting.
I think you meant to say: by, 'morons'
I'm assuming that's your alias.
you could claim even water is a drug. what you say makes no sense. food is a drug, air can be as well.
Great and informative post
I think all those things that can mess up and can change your concious should be banned
I don't think banning is really necessary. I mean, a girlfriend can change your conscious in a pretty awkward way so.... :)
Should we ban thoughts and emotions too, then? Your consciousness is ceaselessly changing from the moment you're born until you die.
Very interesting post mister, and i can relate to that, i had an experience where i ve been the refuge of a realistic horror movie, i can't describe the overall anxiety and fear that almost killed me, i ve been telling my story for weeks and then the thing is i could remember and recite every detail in chronological order that what maid people ears open to me.
It's weird though that it was nt real and had hard time precieving that, untill my brain got tired and had to get treatment in hospital
The drug u mentioned i believed that my brain has generated something similar to that
With a strong effect, still remember the faces and conversations i had on that train although i caused a panic attack to all the passengers lol
Thnks for this post bro it really triggered something old in me
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wow. i am sorry to hear you had to go through this man. indeed drugs like this offer a similar trip.
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So agree. These substances are just "escape" drugs. Enlightenment comes from introspection from within to understand one self and to learn to respect and love oneself as one stands. That one is worthy of being love and that "imperfections" are ok. Can never find the solution from outside influences. Change within or nothing will ever change. Changing friends, surroundings, or taking substances, etc will not do the trick. You can't escape from you. "You" must be the focus of any change or understanding. It is the origin of everything. Without you, there is no reality.
people search the easy way out on things. drugs provide this.
I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, and although my mind can get creative, the use of the word meat needs editing to meet.
Also, if you care to read a post I did on similar subject a while back. It too old for votes, more for trading thoughts is all.
yeah, a friend just pointed that out. i make quite a few of these . for example the other day i meant to say sheep and i said ship.
What people should be aware of is how important is the state of mind.
People take these drugs as they are superheroes and can handle them like cigarettes.
Even marijuana is something to handle curely.
If you are not in a peacefull and relaxed state of mind you should never take any drug. Reason why I didn't take Salvia Divinorum for the second time while in Amsterdam. A naive friend of mine did even tho I seemed a little scared and sad. It was the worst experience of his life.
Anyway, I believe these drugs are shit. Many say they take it just to become "more consciousness". There are many other ways to become more consciousness and maybe the first step is considering to not take any drugs.
well said
I've done entheogens / sacred plants in the past - It's 100% about who you do it with, where, and why. What intention? I ended up having the most growth doing them alone up a mountain with a big meditative lifestyle at the time.. These are not to be done for for curiosity or fun, or to fit in, or as a short cut.
You speak of having growth by using them, yet, that it's not a short-cut. So am I reading into it too much if I'm to conclude from what you said that it amplifies introspection to the point of having more profound insights versus regular ol' meditation? Otherwise, why would you use it for growth?
Good post. Your choice on this drug topic is very good, you are right about the false information about hallucinogens, but you also have to remember that every head is a world and we all have different beliefs, however inconsistent they may be, we have to Respect them. It is important to tell the consequences that drugs cause!!
Respect is earned though...not given..
I agree with many points you made, but you also have a sort of absoluteness to your ideas that pertain to the mind, something we know very very very little about...
Well..exactly. when we know very little I can be absolute. when we know more then I will re-evaluate. those who are absolute actually are those who put their life on the line to test them. the absolute gamble.
"when we know very little I can be absolute." i dont know if you understand what you're saying
I can be absolute about the assertion that we know very little to be absolute about the experience.
This nonsense I think is not good
Great post but. Have you read Aldous Huxley essay about mezcaline and "truth"?
i'd suggest you to read it and broad your views!
Also the one who discovered LSD wrote A LOT of this component.
Great post!
Interesting! Upvoted
Anything that occurs at a mass scale is bound to be missused, get corrupt etc. but on personal level they do have therapeutic effect which is sometimes all you need.