Everyone has different ideas about what Hive is, what Hive needs and what would take Hive to the stars - so, if you could change one thing, fix one thing, add one thing to make Hive a better, more enjoyable, a more successful place - what would it be?
Taraz
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The 'curation window' of only five minutes!
Nobody who is upvoting manually rather than in an automated way is able to find new good content within the first five minutes after its appearance.
Not to speak about reading, evaluating and vote it with a "fitting" reward.
That means most curation rewards aren't earned by real, manual curation but by auto upvoting the same authors again and again, and most of the time the 'curator' doesn't even know what he is actually rewarding.
Don't get me wrong; Just like many many others here, I have quite a few persons on autovote as well. But the fact I'm using it doesn't mean I actually think it would be better for Hive as a whole, to enlarge the curation window.
I wouldn't mind some kind of experiment without a curation window at all considering that hopefully one day, posts will all be evergreen. It makes no sense to have the early curation window if a post can be open forever.
Hive needs to become friendly.
Yes, you are a community leader, or you occupy one or another "important" position.
You understand the full spectrum of technology and you work hard to maintain your position and your income.
So why would you waste your "valuable" time on anyone that is below your "status"?
Especially if that someone cannot help to fill your pockets, or asks stupid questions like me.
I think it was JF Kennedy that said; "A true leader is someone that helps others to become leaders"
Now we know that not everyone is a leader, but at least an effort can be made to help them to discover their true potential.
Unfortunately, as in the world, money and status rules.
Don't get me wrong here, there are a few that really care and I can name them all, or at least the ones that we have come in contact with, but there are others that I will not employ for 1 day!
I repeat, Hive needs to become friendly!
I am hoping that this will increase once there are more people who are interested in more things. At that point, leaders of business and social aspects will become more vital and, more public.
More public will surely be a great answer!
This isn't your experience so far here?
well all except for the dude playing piano. need more of them. I WANT MORE
peonistspionists........ of those thingsThere are plenty of penists here
Authors regularly posting shit content and getting upvoted by others. Instead I would like to see quality content getting those upvotes.
More people participating in governance - scrutinizing witnesses and proposals and voting for them.
I guess there are various ways to go about either of those. Could brainstorm ideas.
Quality is always a contentious issue on Hive, as one man's trash is another's treasure, so to speak. I agree, that good content should get rewarded, but more importantly than that, valuable content should get rewarded. Engaging, interesting, generative, helpful, supportive, growth mindset content should get support. Authors who create good content also need to understand that they don't have a publicist, so they better be ready to grind.
Governance is an issue for sure and I think that in some way, people don't take interest because of the staked system, but the problem without the staked system is that any idiot has an equal say. We see this in the "real world" where people vote on highly technical things while not evening holding rudimentary knowledge. Just think how many people have a decent understanding of economics, and how many people vote with economic repercussions of their choices.
Sure, there are various views about what constitutes quality. But I think there is a lot of agreement on what constitutes shit posting. And that auto-voting such shit posting is not good for the platform as a whole. And that directing those votes to quality content (found by curators) is good for the platform. I think there is agreement on that. If there is agreement, the question is how to make it happen so that people who auto-vote their friends' shitposts switch to voting for quality curated content.
Agreed about governance, and a new reputation system may help a lot with that. But I still think that even with the current system, things could go better if more people took interest in witnesses and proposals. I was thinking that including more information about governance in the existing intake processes and frontends can help.
Yes there is :)
Downvotes, if people use them.
For sure. There is no perfect system, but not much improves through disinterest.
Yeah, if they use them. For shitposts of popular authors? I wouldn't myself unless there is anonymous downvoting. Would you?
Change the stupid rewarding curve algo first.
Try to make a twitter-like dapp also.
I totally, absolutely, strongly and vigorously agree with this remark. With the "stupid rewarding curve algo" in force currently, we are not going ANYWHERE anytime soon.
Do you think most people focus on it (or know about it)?
Perhaps not, but as soon as they realised why they get so tiny amount of rewards in comparison with other that get the most, they understand that the game is somehow rigged for the ones that, by default, are getting better rewards...people is not stupid.
The curve is pretty slight at the moment, right? Being flat wasn't going well, so I think there had to be some change, how much I am not sure.
Basically, any upvote done on a post rewarded more than 4$ is multiplying the amount of curation received...this is the FACT
Yes, I know this - but how much affect does it have on smaller accounts do you think ?
I cannot quantify that, but I am sure some of them don't have the "visibility" they deserve due to this.
SMT
waiting, waiting :)
If I had enough money, I would build HIVE atm machines like the ones Bitcoin has.
It would be nice to have multiple coin ATMs, but I reckon Hive might need to be worth a couple billion more to make it viable.
Educate people how some witness have this much HP, unvote those witnesses and bring those who care about the community and this blockchain.
I believe when leaders are fair and just, everyone else will follow. If they act shady, eventually most of the community will start to lean towards those shady activities.
Hope I'm wrong.
In other words: we need to change our mentality.
Mentality needs to change in many ways. I wouldn't mind witnesses being held to a higher standard in some ways, considering they are voted into their position.
The first would be to treat users with respect
then users will love hive, but when such posts come from a Witness @arcange:
post link from today
users will be gone faster than they come, and success would never come
Edit:
Maybe the respect will come back!?
see:
https://hive.blog/apologize/@arcange/sometimes-you-have-to-know-when-to-apologize
I think that like everyone else, @arcange is free to do as he pleases, whether I agree or not. The community can respond, but I do not think that a person need bow to popular opinion, as that is what is going wrong in this world currently.
I would organise a HiveCon, a festival where the greatest content creators could meet and exchange ideas. With fun competitions and prizes. With info about latest tech, crypto, art, music, writing, info, etc etc. That would be so awesome😍😍
SteemFest (I have only been to one) was a lot of fun. If there were millions of users, it would be highly attractive to organise a couple a year. Would they be called HiveSwarms?
Awwww I would be so stokeed to attend one hihihi. Hmmmm brainstorming for names. HiveSwarms sounds cool. HiveLandia? Hiveian? Oh gosh now you got me started😂
Having a way to verify accounts as being individually owned or connected to an individual's account. (i will make it myself using civic if i have to)
Account verification would be great, at least at some level. I wonder if there was an opt-in way, would people opt-in? "verified account" would become a metric that could be leveraged.
I imagine something like an optional whitelist feature showing parent and associated child accounts. It would be a list people could check. It would be up to front ends to create a badge if they want.
https://docs.civic.com/#CivicHostedServices
It is possible to spoof a phone and email, but a serious pain compared to just getting an anon Hive account. Civic also has full out kyc, but I'm not sure if that can be pulled in the anon id, or if it is free. But if it is practical 2 levels of white list could be done.
You could still have all your family members sign up, but its a step in the right direction to prevent abuse.
Instances of public id verification could also be offered to those who desire it for whatever reason (solicitng donations, famous person, Social media integration, etc)
I am hoping that in the future, there would be a decentralized verification process that protects users from "official" tracking but still allows for web of trust process. I think it is ridiculous that some individuals have hundreds and thousands of accounts. I understand a few alts, but unverified alts could have some limitation.
Yeah, I don't think anyone wants a foolproof surveillance system, besides there will always be ways around it. Trust is the most important.
I can see it as a positive for certain communities or curation groups. We also have things like anon rambles for people who still want to rant and rave without any consequences.
I haven't tried it yet, is it good?
I want free pizza for lunch on Wednesdays and Hawaiian shirt day every Friday.
!ENGAGE 20
ENGAGEtokens.You don't do this now?
No? Was the proposal approved?
Mentorship will go a long way. I think people will join the network if they know they will earn but people will stay if they are consistently follwed up. When you follow up a person, the person feels important. This feeling of importance makes one to stay in the system. Once they get comfortable in the system , they invest in the system and price will increase in value.
I disagree with this in part at least. People rarely invest and what most expect from mentorship is votes. When it comes to actually learning the skills and getting the advice, that is all freely available. I write near daily about ways people can improve their experience - but like you said yesterday, even you only skim most of the posts.
New accounts are suffering on hive... engagement is hard with a new account. Or may be new accounts should be given some hive power to start with , so they can engage.. i had to buy hive power to continue in this network. I borrowed money to get hive power.
This is actually a hard one to answer as how do we get more users to join is the conundrum. I think having 10 000 active users needs to definitely move to 50 000 quickly otherwise it may never happen. A decent app would help that everyone could enjoy whether it is a game or something else that has everyday use. I would like to see a crypto tax app where you have to be a member of Hive to use it. Something like that which gets new users through the door. I have some ideas on this but would need funding to make it happen.
This is an interesting idea and I agree. Not sure about the tax, but some Hive application that benefits everyone in crypto would go a long way. Tax is a good example though as it affects many.
The idea behind it basically allowed anyone who is a member a tax free option. Having the address of your membership in a tax free zone where you could come in and out of crypto using a bank account in that region. I still think it is a winner and would work attracting many crypto investors. Been thinking about this for over a year and have some ideas but just don't have loads of time to concentrate on this right now.
Hi! I think it would be nice to give more support to small users and small Communities :)
This has been happening for 4 years, however people have to start to understand that this is an economy and requires the flow of value in and out. People have to start investing themselves too, not remaining reliant on the support of others.
You are probably right. I've only been here since November so I don't know everything yet. I will think about that!
Thank you for the answer and have a nice day :)
You made me go to my thinking chair. Which is also my reading chair, my napping chair and my all round favorite spot. I thought of several things, none of which will take Hive to the stars. Tweaks, really.
The thing I believe I'd change has to do with stake voting. When I was a sub minnow I thought that stake weighted voting was the worst thing I'd ever heard of. Now, I get it and actually support it.
What I'd change is decayed voting. Do you know that there are accounts here on Hive that vote significant stake that have NEVER logged into Hive? The votes are carry over from Steem.
I think the answer is simple, really. If you haven't logged in to the platform in the previous quarter your vote power becomes 0 until you do log in.
At least in theory this would provide an active and engaged vote pool. It would reflect current attitudes and needs. It would seem more fair to the smaller stake holders. It would give active people a greater voice in the direction of the platform.
Thanks for a great question. I look forward to the answers.
This has been brought up before, often around witness voting behaviors. It would be interesting in my opinion if witness votes decayed over say 6 months, and then had to be manually reset in order to start again - continual opting in.
Yes but unfortunately, this can be automated too. Everything can be automated it seems - which isn't a good sign for humans :D
This is important in a Proof of Brain economy, right?
I'd be really happy with that solution. I think that currency (being current) IS REALLY important in Proof of Brain. Stale is, well, stale.
Thanks again for what's ended up being a really good forum.
I would change the down vote system. I do not believe there is any need what-so-ever for blind down vote accounts. What I mean by that is no ability to reciprocate against a down vote because they have only participated on the Hive Block Chain in a negative way by down votes only with no post no comments that can be down voted.
I also do not think a content creator should take a possible reputation hit because some one disagreed with the amount his/her/its post received. The down vote if for reward dispute should be against the top post rewarder. They should take the rep-loss and future monetary loss by having their curation reward lowered by the amount of the received down vote, and the amount of damage to the person reputation. This would put the issue of excessive rewards where it belongs on the person/people/accounts that up voted the post whether it is an individual or a curation account.
If people disagree with the individual/account that issued the down vote for rewards, then they would be able to down vote that individual/account and choose the abusive label for them and they would take the full brunt of the peoples wrath. After time this would solve the petty down voting, and the excessive up voting of post.
If the rep system worked well, I think this would be a decent approach and you are right, people should be able to post whatever shit they want, but getting rewarded/unrewarded on it is up o the community. It would be interesting to not only take reputation away from poor curation, but have some economic incentive also. If the reputation system actually worked, it could be used to give some kind of small multiplier affect to voting - this way, the "best" accounts would benefit from their past activities, not just their staked activities.
Would make it easier for people to join in without too many limitations. And perhaps remind about the golden rule, that's how one makes stuff last.
So if getting upset about some text, its good to count to 10 and read again. Did it say what I thought it ment? The whole concept of censorship, telling people not to have an opinion or make a personal list.
Nothing new in social media, freedom includes personal responsibility. Not having that skill, one turns into the thing fought against.
Yeah, I agree with the responsibility part at the least. I think that one of the shortcomings of SoMe is that there is very little consequence for bad behavior.
One thing is about trust, which the whole ecosystem here is based on, in the basics of it. I think coming from FB or other highly limited platform, it takes time to change behavior.
Everything is open, on the outside it looks like if you write something and delete it, it disappears. But it is still left in the consciousness and the blockchain records.
So, that in itself drives the good behavior, surely the virtue signaling gives hormone bursts, but usually it is on someone else's "expense". Kind of curious how the platform effects the hidden ego, are humans still adaptable?
It is a contentious issue as so many want to be anonymous here for various reasons, but at the same time want to build up trust. While in Bitcoin this works well enough, this is alsoa social platform so there is more to it than just trustless transactions.
A lot more people joining, but it's still too much of an ordeal and the Facebook lot are an inherently set of lazy bastards.
HIVE to them is not much of an incentive and to the outsider doesn't seem a tangible form of currency.
Definitely more people needed! PEople are lazy, the internet has made them lazier. Perhaps we should work as hard as possible to make the barriers so low on Hive that sloths will find it easy to get moving.
It is getting easier, but it needs to be 'as easy as Facebook' before things start to happen. I have got my Urbex buddy @dizzydiscovery on recently. He logged on last night for the first time, I need to ask him about his experience.
Listening to these people is the key, was it difficult, where did you struggle? It's easy for us, and second nature.
It is called "customer journey", something most developers think nothing about in their designs.
More users
For sure.
I’ve thought long about this but finally came up with my “solution”.
I would change the rule that defined only one thing could be changed.
Welcome to decentralization!! :D
Removing auto votes altogether, get that manual voting going to see the quality posts out there.
I don't think that you would like the outcomes of removing all auto voting. People are often lazy and time constrained - which is why so many already end up voting for their friends in a tight circle as it is. It is possible however that in the future there would be a decent return in outsourcing stake to projects and curation teams and for example, accounts like @blocktrades and @theycallmedan could hire a team of curators to distribute their stake in a pattern they approve of. Curation earnings are a huge draw for investors in my opinion and if used right, can also add value to the principle token holdings - not just the earnings themselves.
Yes true but for that we have manual curation too, if we have investors they can delegate to @curangle, @ocdb or even community account like @indiaunited where they will get passive income daily.
SMTs
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Getting ridiculous isn't it?
Very beautiful flowers!
Thanks.