Hi,
There are many spam apps trying to exploit Hive ecosystem just as they did on Steemit.
Just because someone has created a dSpam app, it does not give this app a license to spam or abuse the ecosystem. Please, don't use spam apps in the future.
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If an account has enough RCs, they can do however they please. Your need of trying to "manage" how people use Hive isn't going to scale well. Hive is a database and you can be sure that app-owners will not tolerate anybody telling them how they are supposed to use that technology as long as they or the users' pay for RCs.
The only valid argument I can see is that dbuzz is automatically voting posts, but even then, this is a valid way of incentivizing ppl using the dapp.
Very good point being made about Hive.
Likewise, something that some of us have almost given up on yelling about is the responsibilities of each and every website (UI) to have clearly defined T&C's.
Every "website" out there that is hooked up to the chain, is an independent entity, owned by an independent business.
They need to worry about their website and the T&C's of that website & stop ordering everyone on Hive how to utilize their stake.
Likewise, those people with stake need to start understanding that each website has its customers/user base.
What is acceptable on one site, like for example a microblogging site may not be acceptable on a full on blogging site. What is acceptable on a site for musicians may not be acceptable on a site for homesteaders.
This then comes down to the use or lack of use, of the communities feature.
The communities feature should be the only place where Upvoting and Downvoting is possible.
This way, a person who dislikes one niche can't cause damage to those who like another niche and there is no abuse of peoples voting power for bullying others.
Again, this is something that is said imo, just another voice from the masses.
However, without sharing thoughts on issues as important as this one, how can we ever have discussions that lead to constructive conclusions!
This is our guideline for posting on #DBuzz and it would be good if @hivewatchers used it when flagging our users 👍
https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@dbuzz/tips-on-writing-for-d-buzz-what-to-buzz-about
Maybe you need to not look upon HiveWatchers as a "free" service that monitors the chain 24/7 for abusers, spammers etc.
After all, every site is a private business and as such needs to ensure that their business has the necessary services for quality assurance.
I don't get the mentality sometimes:
A business that runs in a building, hires security guards for safety, hires QAQC personnel, yet so many of those here on the chain with commercial businesses think that someone else should do those jobs for them, for free.
Yet every one of those private businesses expects nothing but the best and wants to have the most possible from what Hive has to offer.
I don't get it!
We are doing our part but @hivewatchers automatically sends bot comments on people they flag and it often results in those people getting confused.
As far as I know, they also receive funding from the #HIVE development fund, if they want to do a better job with interacting with our users, they could change their bot comments in our community to link to our guideline, if not, the people they flag on our site will continue to be confused with us having to correct the situation each time.
I offered a solution and and I think it is good, it would also require very little work on their part since their comments would still be automated via bots, but would include a link to our guideline that WE made in their automated comments.
Sound fair @jackmiller?
Your business, I won't get involved, apart from saying that HiveWatchers has a job that is blockchain based and each and every private business needs to do what is necessary to ensure the QAQC in their own place of business.
It sounds great that you are communicating with HiveWatchers. Many in the past just blame others without taking on any responsibility that is theirs and theirs alone.
Yeah, I actually love communicating with @guiltyparties when he's free.
( He's a busy guy )
But some of the members of #HiveWatchers don't always coincide with his much more rational ideas & perspectives.
I believe we will ultimately win, not because we are fighting anyone (we are not) but because we will benefit and help the #HIVE community so much that the community as a whole will join us.
#Synergy and #Collaboration is also a big part of what we want to do.
"We are doing our part but @hivewatchers automatically sends bot comments on people they flag and it often results in those people getting confused"
I don't understand this sentence. It does not make much sense to me?
What automated comments? By which account?
By @hivewatcher account?
Accounts commented by @hivewatcher are blacklisted. That's why they receive the comment. Obviously and logically.
Are you saying that we are confusing blacklisted accounts why they are blacklisted?
It doesn't make sense what you are saying. Blacklisted accounts have always received an explanation of why they are blacklisted either in comments left on their abusive posts or in the blacklist message itself. If they don't understand, they always show up in Discord where they have explained the reason for the blacklist.
None of you here appears to have an understanding of how the platform has worked for the last 4 years, the abuse going on, and how actually Hivewatchers work. These are all assumptions coming from a lack of understanding.
Anyway, it was already said by Hivewatchers that they will ignore reports for these posts. Unless posts contain plagiarism or are recycled multiple times.
On my personal note, You may have a vision of grandeur about you app but I see very little benefit from your app. Like I already explained. There have been at least 10 like this before. Same, low-quality spam posting with little value added to the platform.
ALL of the curation by @dbuzz is 100% manual and done by @chrisrice himself, about once a day or less due to him being busy.
In the future, the curation will be decentralized to follow the votes of active quality users like @iamraincrystal @vimukthi and @jaaling among many others.
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We made a guideline for our users some time ago and @hivewatchers could use it as a guideline before flagging users on #DBuzz:
https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@dbuzz/tips-on-writing-for-d-buzz-what-to-buzz-about
@chrisrice I think your input is required here
Edit: Thanks for the feedback @logic Perhaps the Hive Community need to be polled so a consensus as to whether or not short form Twitter like posts are welcome on Hive, or not. Then there will be clarity.
Yes, the input would be welcome.
Rahmat
I can also see that you are farming this spam trash post spam app:
Murakoze
Sometimes I think you guys are just bullies. Do you really have to make things complicated for average users who are not even getting a $1 for a post. Twitter is a multibillion dollar app, and does really well with "spam" per your definition. Let the upvote/downvote figure out the rewards. Why not focus on scam and clear abuse? This doesn't help.
This is the guideline we provided our users and our manual curation is based on this.
Abuse fighters could use this as a guideline when determining whether or not they should flag one of our users:
https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@dbuzz/tips-on-writing-for-d-buzz-what-to-buzz-about
Oh. Again, it was not meant for farming (and yes, easy to say). I will burn rewards when they mature. And there's another one I said the same about, hard to keep track! I thought sharing the post ideas had some value. But again, thanks for the heads up @logic. I will desist for now, or at least think more carefully before posting.
I am really hoping the burn button in @dbuzz arrives with next update. But will burning rewards be enough for posts such as these not to be considered trash/spam?
Also, I'm now posting this reply using @Peakd but there is no option to burn, and some people may vote on this comment. What to do? I am struggling!
OK, thanks for explaining. I will speak with @guiltyparties about his opinion regarding dbuzz.
Please do, he helped us draft our $1 max-accepted-payout policy and to my knowledge, we are the ONLY #Dapp to do that.
@acidyo @hiddenblade @atma.love
This isn't spam @guiltyparities help us plan our reward system with the $1.00 max-accepted-payout and the rewards he received are more or less curation from @dbuzz with the Hive Power that yuno, we paid for to reward our users.
@acidyo @theycallmedan @therealwolf
This is the guideline we wrote up for #DBuzz some time ago and it would be a better guideline for you when determine whether to flag one of our users or not..
And would also offer an explanation to users who got flagged if they went outside the bounds of our guideline:
https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@dbuzz/tips-on-writing-for-d-buzz-what-to-buzz-about
What are you calling a spam app?