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RE: Proposal to return the 12 hour voting window gate

in #hive4 years ago

Why should we live with abuse? Downvotes are perfectly valid and were designed into Steem to prevent abuse. Of course they can be used maliciously, but we value the freedom to do that we like. By all means name that witness and people can decide whether they deserve support.

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The evidence of my argument is the unviable size of steem and hive compared to other platforms. A for the downvoting war in Germany you can read here https://hive.blog/deutsch/@nesomi/abuse-of-power-and-lies-of-hive-witness-pfunk-or-machtmissbrauch-and-luegen-des-hive-zeugen-pfunk#@nesomi/re-pfunk-qbsvfr

I am not involved but the "victim" started sending replies to hundreds of new posts with his cpmplaints.

Downvotes can drive people away, which is why I use them with care. If you saw how much abuse has gone on you would appreciate how necessary it is. Look at Steem to see what it is like when out of control. I see accounts getting thousands each week in rewards by buying votes. That deprives others of the chance to earn much.

I have seen @pfunk do a lot of good on Steem. Can you blame people for feeling bitter when their Steem was taken away? I have been lucky to retain mine so I can sell it off, but Steemit have censored my account and so I have no respect for them.

If you saw how much abuse has gone on you would appreciate how necessary it is.

VOLUNTARY MUTE LISTS would be just as effective and much less onerous to the innocent.

https://hive.blog/hive-171744/@logiczombie/voluntary-blacklists

Hiding the problems does not make them go away. Abusers reduce our rewards.

IRL every dollar you spend reduces your neighbor's spending power.

Upvoting is not THEFT.

In the same way, when I make a large purchase, I am not stealing from my neighbors, even though I am reducing the value of their savings.

please-stop-posting-and-upvoting-you-re-eating-into-my-rewards

https://hive.blog/ethics/@logiczombie/please-stop-posting-and-upvoting-you-re-eating-into-my-rewards

I have nothing against people earning unless they are really selfish. That is why we have downvotes. We may make some enemies,but on balance it is beneficial. IMHO

Preserving the autonomy and free speech of all individual accounts should be paramount.

Any system that relies on human enforcement is a fundamentally flawed system.

Any system that ignores human selfishness is a fundamentally flawed system.

Or, perhaps consider capping the max payout at $20.00 so the reward pool benefits the small fish at the expense of the big fish, insuring a broader distribution.

Or, perhaps consider distributing the reward pool directly to each stake holder's account based purely on their stake and replace the "upvote" button with a quick and easy "delegate 1 hive" button and a quick and easy "tip 1 hive" button on each post (that doesn't expire after 7 days).

Put it to the witnesses with a proposal. I can't change the rules and so work with what we have.

I'm just asking your opinion on these.

I'm attempting to build some general consensus with reasonable people like yourself.