Should the United States Ban Guns?
8 years ago in #life by thecryptofiend (74)
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
so...no.
No ARM should be banned, or even regulated.
Yes I understand where you are coming from. I would like to have the option here in England too but I think most people think I am crazy! The thing is over here the criminals can still get guns. We regular people can't and I don't care if you are Chuck Norris himself no amount of Kung Fu is going to help in that situation you need a gun yourself.
I think as long as people are properly vetted for mental illness/crime it should not be a problem.
Did you see the video? See what you think of this young guys approach - I think he would be great to get on here.
nope, didn't see the video. I might get around to it.
The way I see it, individual people CAN be sane. Beyond a certain number, about two hundred, any group is NOT. So how can the sane be 'vetted' and 'licensed' by the insane?
Furthermore..only those wishing to do you harm would want you to be unable to protect yourself.
Interesting perspective.
I don't think banning anything really has the desired effect. Creates a black market (aka more crime), those who intend violence still get it.
Plus observation seems to indicate people really get fascinated by things that are concealed from them.
Not sure why people think guns would be any different. The fact of the matter is that what happens in that video could still happen whether guns are banned or not. The guns are NOT the reason that happened. Guns were a tool they chose to use. Once they were at that stage acquiring them illegally would likely not be anything to stop them. They'd likely be fine with it. Where there is a will there is a way. Knives, home made weapons, bombs, poison, are all things they can use as well. Banning stops nothing.
To stop this... critical thinking... tolerance... change education... look at all factors... don't look for a quick scapegoat that fits another agenda.
EDIT: As to the Mass Knifings... they are happening... NOW
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/
There was one in Texas as well...
Then there was the guy that used a vehicle to kill people...
We need to do something but BANNING doesn't actually stop things. I can't find any proof that anything we've banned has really stopped anything. Though I am still open to finding examples...
Interesting points. Have you watched the video? It is very even handed and not very long. Well worth watching.
Agreed
Yes. It is one of the most sensible and non-hysterical dissections I have seen. Further it breaks the main issues down and summarises them very well. It is beautifully put together.
That guy, is incredible calm and well tempered. Im following him in youtube and twitter now. Would love to follow him in steemit though
Yes me too. I started following as soon as I saw the video. He would be a great addition to Steemit:)
beanz has beat me to it to put a comment about this post in the youtube vid.
Yep I watched it... I had my post written. Was almost all the way through the video when I posted it. I edited and added some more when I completed the video. Overall, good video.
Fantastic. I'm not sure either way but I love the way he has summarised the main points. It would be great if we could get him on there.
On the topic of knife attacks. Just google "Sweden knife attack", or grenade, or gun and you'll find even more examples of what you mention.
(I live there, so I know these things take place)
I've trained with some people that were absolutely amazing with a knife. If any of them went unstable it'd be a pretty terrifying thing. Yet it isn't like a KNIFE and a GUN are a Ouija board and a demon is jumping from them and possessing people. There are other factors. Getting rid of the tool they choose to use doesn't seem to address the actual factors at all.
Or a crossbow or even a modified air gun could do some serious damage. Or for that matter you could get a car and kill a hundred people in a few seconds if you wanted to.
Terrifying. I'd much rather worry about a guy running down the street with a gun.
Wow. That is scary but it doesn't look like it was anywhere near as bad as it could have been. The carnage created by cars on a daily basis is something we rarely hear about. I think it kills many more people. I'm not pro banning cars either though.
Yep. Banning is also rarely actually intended to solve the problem it claims to be. It creates a lucrative black market, and it is not unusual for the politicians pushing the bills to end up making a profit from it, or people lobbying them. It is much like INSIDER TRADING.
Or the drugs issue. Certain organisations may use that as a means of funding covert operations.
We have a lot of knife crime in the UK too not to mention gun crime. We also have bans on certain types of knives. It doesn't stop it.
Well just look at knife crime in the UK I'm sure I heard it was going up AND we also have gun crime, except over here the criminals get the guns and we as civilians have no chance!
Yep... If you already plan on committing a crime (violence, death, etc) then getting a tool that is banned and illegal is a non-issue. Why do you care if something is illegal if you already plan on committing a crime?
Exactly my point but people here don't get that.
Excellent point. You need only look at the years of prohibition to find evidence that your statement is solid. It's the same with marijuana, which at least 40% of the people I know smoke, in spite of its illegality.
In regards to guns, I feel that legalised gun ownership is the most powerful deterrent to gun crime. Many who argue for tougher gun control laws will speak of the high gun-related deaths in the States as ammunition for their argument. What they tend to conveniently leave out however, is that the overwhelming majority of instances where someone is killed or injured by a firearm are concentrated in the areas where gun control is at its peak.
It's understandable too. If you are an armed robber by trade, going from place to place and holding up stores or other places of business, then it benefits you greatly if you know that you and your accomplices are the only ones who are armed in the venue. You would be a lot less likely to attempt to commit an armed robbery if you knew that any one of the civilians in there with you could potentially be holding a concealed weapon. Your chances of success are greatly reduced in those circumstances, and your safety would be at serious risk. Sure, you may get the types who are in it for the thrill and not the money, and so would be willing to test those waters--but they are far rarer than the movies would lead you to think.
Criminals gain their power by being the only one in the room with the gun. Give everyone a weapon, and my guess is the crime rate would drop considerably. Yes, it's depressing that we live in a world where it seems you need to be armed in order to dissuade your fellow man from exploiting you, but alas that is how things are--for now.
You gave me an interesting but scary thought....
I earlier in another post referred to the world as currently being Backwards World.
An example I gave is that whistle blowers reporting a crime are now considered a criminal, and you can be an actual criminal and run for the highest office in the land.
So the actual Criminals can RULE. Apply that thought in connection with what I quoted to you above and things get a bit more clear, and a bit more scary.
A backwards world indeed. Right down to the very essence of survival. We are conditioned from birth to believe that success is measured in zeros. Darwinism brainwashes us into thinking that it is survival of the fittest--every man for himself, and that to get ahead you have to step on other people's dreams. This is backwards as fuck.
Success should be measured by the positive impact you are able to have on the people that you cross paths with in life, and to get ahead at the expense of other people's well-being should be considered inhumane. We all ought to help each other do better, together.
I am going to give your article a read in a moment because I have to agree with you. Just about everything is the exact opposite to how it should be--how it was intended to be.
I raised my children telling them that creating a thing is far more impressive than destroying a thing. One takes skill and effort, the other often does not.
Unfortunately, our enemies have gotten rather efficient at creating devices for the purpose of destroying everything that we hold dear.
Oh and while I'm at it... that article I linked you is where I referenced Backwards World earlier today. I did however, write an article that was directly inspired by this @thecryptofiend blog we are talking on here. It was basically me expanding upon what I said here. So the backwards world part of my blog on the word TRUTHER you might find interesting, but if you want a specific direct reference to this article it is this post: Mass violence... have instability and will then there is a way...
Agree. Even simple things like book that is banned, people want to read it even more because it is banned.
I've been kind of in this train of thought this week. This post I wrote a few days ago talks a great deal about what you just said.
Good point!
#1 get this guy on Steemit!
I'm of the "molon labe" crowd in America, so i realize my bias is to justify firearms ownership rights. i understand the case against disarming people, i just consider it a blunt force one-dimensional "solution" that ushers its own consequences:
-guns also save lives, permitting less capable to defend themselves against predators. Disarming those who care about the law is doing them a disservice.
-the video did a good job covering the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. Gun deaths MUST also include those inflicted on people by their own governments, and if you count the 20th century, Europe will be orders of magnitude ahead of the U.S. for centuries. The 2nd Amendment makes regimes like the Nazis, Spanish and Italian fascists, etc. much more unlikely to manifest in the U.S.
-Ending the Drug War would slash gun deaths by some massive %. Most gun violence in the U.S., at least, is caused by capital flows to gangs and subsequent gang violence. Banning guns doesn't even address this issue, just gives gangs an even greater asymmetric advantage over the rest of us. If there truly is a desire to cut gun violence, then first start with the low hanging fruit...end the Drug War and assess from there.
-Mass shootings have more to do with copycat psychology than guns. Deranged people will still try to mimic these events; certainly more difficult if they need to acquire weapons from the black market, but they will occur.
It's not always about stats, though, not that the stats even stack up in the anti-gun side of the argument. Just logically, it is counterproductive to disarm decent people who have never shown propensity to harm another. I'm one of these people. I've never considered harming another person in my life, and I regularly conceal carry my Glock. Disarming me and those who are similarly highly trained and responsible makes society less safe. Sure, disarming those with intent to murder would make society safer, but there are few better ways to screen than already exist with background checks.
I'm with you Brother! I'll be happy to turn over all my weapons just as soon as I run out of ammo...next year some time!
Lol:)
You only have a year's worth of ammo? Time to stock up while prices are coming down!
You have to be careful what you admit to online lol!
Great points mate and it should also be noted that banning people from having guns which we almost have here in the UK - you can get guns but it is very restricted, does not eliminate gun crime. The criminals can still get guns. That means that as a civilian you are at a double disadvantage. Even if you are a ninja you can't defend yourself against a criminal with a gun.
Also agree with you that governments like to ignore the deaths that they cause through war!
ha, yeah even ninjas are vulnerable to guns :)
Guns absolutely increase your ability to protect yourself, your family, and those around you. It's a tad immoral to deprive people of this right in hopes of simultaneously preventing extremely low frequency events. Not sure on the stats, but something like thousands of violent crimes are thwarted annually bc people have guns. Leaving these people vulnerable to predators is irresponsible, certainly doesn't make society as a whole safer.
Yes. Unfortunately we don't have the option here.
Sorry to hear that...hopefully you, and no one you care about, ever need one.
Thanks yes for sure.
I really like this guy and 100% agree we need to get him over here ASAP!!!
Yes it is rare to find someone who is so young and so rational but without being condescending in any way.
Stirred up some good discussion. Of course, dealing with Americans and guns, you usually will. I'm glad to see the discourse is civil.
How much irony is there in the fact that if the US were to ban guns that they'd have to send people with guns to take them?
This is a pretty powerful testimony as to the failure of gun control. Also note (it's probably been mentioned) that mass shootings happen in gun free zones. I'm in AZ, where concealed carry is permitted for everyone. It's very common to see someone carrying openly and there's no way to know who is carrying concealed. You know that several are.
The cops in our town are very aware that we probably have far more guns per capita than most areas of the country. They know that just about every house has one. And they are glad for it. Violent crime here is almost non-existent. There hasn't been a homicide in years (in the town).
Simple fact: You never hear about the mass shootings hat were thwarted by the person who had a gun, whether it was a gun-free zone or not. I know of a student at ASU who shot a man as he came through her window. She knew she was being stalked, couldn't get help, so asked a friend to help her. He took her out and helped her to buy a gun then taught her how to use it. What chance would she have had without it?
Yes the conversation has mostly been very rational:) Fascinating insights thanks for sharing. It is a side of the argument we don't hear ver often. Thanks for the video - it is very powerful!
Yes he is funny:)
Which tells us how much the U.K. has changed. The right of self-defense, including with guns, used to be one of the Blackstone rights: it's mentioned explicitly in his Commentaries.
http://www.guncite.com/journals/senrpt/fgd-guar.html
I've been making private jokes about Sir William being banished from the Realm. :)
Thanks for the post.!
No problem. Great citation too. Please comment on the video on youtube and let's see if we can get him on here.
Just did it. I'm not that assertrive, even on-line, so I confined myself to a heads-up about your respect for him plus a link-drop (this post.) I hope he reads it & sees your praise.
Thank you so much mate! You are a great Steemian:)
I'm doin' what I can :)
Thanks we are all trying lol:)
You clearly are not someone who has studied the political theories that created the United States. Even a glimpse into the writings of the Philosophers who the US Constitution was based on would make this argument completely erroneous. Ban guns please.
The United States is founded with the guiding philosophy that we have the "Right to Rebel", which means we also have the Right to Defend ourselves. The Government never granted us these rights, they merely acknowledge them. Therefore the Government has no authority in the social contract that we created by allowing Representatives to represent us, to take away those rights. None, no legal authority at all.
Furthermore what most anti gun people do not comprehend 95% or something of the Gun crimes committed in America are done with ILLEGAL FIREARMS. You have to understand that Gun laws ONLY affect law abiding citizens.
If you want to see what America would be like with a gun ban, go look at Venezuela. They banned private firearm ownership and now the only people with guns are the completely corrupt police and the bad guys. Screw that.
Watch this film:
Not to mention that Hitler could never have pulled off what he did without his ban on guns. "To conquer a nation, first ban guns!"
@titusfrost Did you actually watch the video or read what any of what I wrote or indeed any of the comments? Your comment suggests not.
Actually I did watch that garbage video, all the way through. That kid's "middle ground stance" on the subject is total nonsense, he is clearly for gun legislation, and for banning "assault rifles", which is liberal nonsense. None of my counter points were addressed in that video and he has no leg to stand on when he is referencing False Flag staged shootings like Orlando. Furthermore I have had this debate with many Brits in the past in person and they just don't get it. You don't understand what you are talking about. You clearly don't get that taking legal guns away from people won't do anything about the illegal firearms which cause the bulk of the crimes. Did you watch the film I sent you in reply?
You clearly read nothing I posted or any of the discussion nor do you have the capability of understanding the concept of healthy debate.
Further your attitude and stance is so inflammatory that I suspect that you could well be a pro-gun control troll who is trying to portray people on that side of the argument as reactionary and argumentative.
Whether you agree with an argument or not it is possible to have a rational discussion but that is clearly not something you wish to have.
According to the FBI's website, states and cities in the US that have open carry laws have the lowest crime rates in the country. Why would criminals choose to carry out robberies in a place where people can openly carry guns when they could commit crimes in cities that do not permit a citizen to carry a gun. Makes sense, right?
Well if I was a criminal I would think twice - you would just go somewhere where there weren't guns:)
Exactly. this information is available right on the public website for the FBI, yet the MSM reports exactly the opposite information, that open carry laws create more crime and politicians often report the same thing. I get why politicians to so, but the mainstream media should be held accountable to the facts that are easily verifiable.
The mainstream media like to scare people and they are there to sell ads these days not provide journalism sadly.
There's a saying here..."Guns don't kill people, people kill people." I have guns and I often go out and when I return my guns haven't killed anyone. A gun is a tool, nothing more. It can't harm anyone unless it's operated by a human being. Granted, there are many people too stupid to be allowed to have them. But in and of themselves, guns are safe.
Read my comments in my reply here on this thread. Thanks Rich.
Yes I have heard that argument before. I suppose it is like cars. Good points:)
Very true and to the point! I commented on your thread!
I am quite the libertarian. That said I do think that there is value from having a society, which includes order and rules, which means restricting freedoms. One of such restrictions is to kill. The purpose of a gun is to kill. As such I think they need to be banned.
Living in the USA and coming from Germany I much prefere the security and safety of Germany over USA.
That said it's a choice. Do we want lots of killings and streets that are unsafe for the freedome to carry guns? I personally do not but I understand people who do.
However don't cry when kids get shot while you allow people to run around with guns.
Thank you for sharing your point of view. So is owning of guns completely illegal in Germany?
Yes. You can still join a gun club and have guns under very strict restrictions. I.e. I have friends who are part of a gun club, their guns are at the club but some of the members have a license to have the gun at home. Most of the people have their guns in the club.
Of course there are also police and hunters that have hunting rifles at home etc. So there are certainly exception.
However overall there are practically no guns in circulation. Of course there are exception, such as the chinese and russian mafia etc.
An example of the world of difference was a poker stars tournament that was robbed a few years ago where one of the 4 robbers had a manchete, resulting in no injuries at all and people using trash cans as weapons. Really funny actually, but the key to me is that I never have to worry about a guy in the street approaching me with a gun.
Right. Thanks for getting back to me. I see what you are saying but the problem comes when the criminal has a gun - there have been many cases here where people have been shot and been unable to defend themselves.
btw thx for your open dialog. It is always refreshing to have a dialog. Why do you think the right to bear arms is important?
I believe in freedom and having the ability to protect yourself. I don't think for a minute that it would ever become a reality here it is just too far against the culture but I think in a civilised society we should be able to discuss possibilities. Thank you for your sensible input:)
Yes I am aware of the logical argument. But it does not add up to me. If we think this out then everyone should run around with a gun and because everyone is then at risk of being shot by everyone else, everyone should just shoot each other, as to avoid being shot themselves.
Another way of looking at this is simply to compare countries that have no crime vs some that do. It's just much safer in countries without guns.
I think it is also perfectly fine to want guns. Many americans do and that is their right. It just comes with killings and crime, since that is the purpose of guns. What is illogical to me in the US is the outcry when kids get shot and the wish to have legal guns.
I'm not sure that necessarily follows though.
An antigun libertarian? I'm not making the connection. Leaps in logic a mile wide, brother.
Well I don't really care. All i can say is that my views match most with libertarians. That does not mean I agree with every libertarian and his/her views.
You are using your libertarian leaning in your argument to establish a position you are arguing from, but your argument of assumption that guns cause death, therefore ban guns flies in the face of the Libertarian self ownership principles. Mind me asking 2 or 3 of your libertarian positions?
I was a leader in the LP for years and encountered not one antigun libertarian. Just saying.
No I am not. I know that libertarians are gun lovers and I am saying that I am normally a libertarian, but in this case very much disagree with this libertarian value.
Basicallically saying I am libertarian, but in this case I am on the other side.
I do however acknowledged that this is a choice. America can choose guns or not. I for one have chosen to live here, knowing that there are guns and as such that my risk of being killed by a gun here is 10-20x as a result of my choice.
So you normally believe in personal responsibility but in this case you believe in collective blame?
An increasingly important discussion. Thanks for bringing it to the front of the platform.
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Thank you. Please watch the video and comment on there too if you can. If we can get this Youtuber on here we could encourage others and increase the amount of discussions like this - maybe make Steemit the central hub for debate like this.
I don't live in the US but live in the UK so my vote wouldn't count, but my own opinion is they should be banned completely.
Interesting. I used to think that way but I am starting to reconsider. I will be doing a post on that subject as it applies to the UK very shortly just as a thought experiment (and to play Devil's advocate). It is fun to have a spirited debate.
Just check out Venezuela! This is how I see the government in the US, they are not at all unalike when it comes to regulations. We are seeing the government fail to enforce crimes at an increasing rate. Why should they, it is not profitable and they control the population. So, something better must take its place.
I know it can be a hard pill to swallow, but if you say no guns I'm going to say what is better and why has it not taken over? When there is something really better let everyone know about it. It will naturally replace the gun and we will not need any illegal laws to make it happen.
Great points. Thanks for the video. The situation in Venezuela is frightening for sure. I'm not anti-guns but we don't even have the choice here in England.
If you heard on the news there was that young British MP who was murdered by an extremist with a gun - if she or someone around her had a gun she might still be here.
Anyway that will probably never change in the UK when I say these things to anyone here they think I am mad!
I might do a post on the gun issue in the UK because I think it is a part of the argument you never hear here.
The police have guns, the criminals have guns, the gangs have guns. The only people that don't have them are us ordinary people and we are the ones who suffer the consequences.
Making guns illegal would just prevent people who legally own guns and those that recognize laws to be disarmed. Guns aren't the problem, anti-depressants are.
Or lack of dealing with mental health issues properly. Thanks for your input:)
Yeah, it pisses me off that the media never blames the absentee parents or the psych meds, just the guns. It's like me smoking meth and grabbing a stuffed Winnie the Pooh doll and beating an old man to death and News at 6 has an expose on the latent violence of cartoon characters...
Yes. It is easier to look for quick fixes than the things that would take actual effort, money time and work. Sadly a lot of people are medicated because there aren't enough resources to look after them the old fashioned way. It is a lot cheaper to use a drug than do proper counselling, psychotherapy or even supervision.
Or it's on purpose
Maybe.
I think we should get this guy on board.
He seems to put a lot of thought and effort into his work, and he seems to care about what he is presenting.
I think he will do quite well on YouTube. So lets' get him on Steemit because we are the sort of people his kid of video is aimed at = people who think, who discuss and debate. People who want to make things better.
He is one of us, he just doesn't know it yet because we haven't introduced ourselves.
So, someone, please approach him and get him on board.
Well we can all do our bit. Please comment on his Youtube video. He is also on twitter. If we can get more people to like or retweet my tweet that would help too. He would definitely be a great asset to us.
Hang on. Wait a minute!
You're in the UK right?
In in NZ. it's 2.13 in the afternoon here that means it's 1.13am where you are.
GO TO BED!
I'm working on a post all about you and how awesome you are, and I don't want it to be a eulogy!
;-)
Lol. Thanks. I am a bit of an insomniac. Old habits:)
I know what you mean. I'm currently forcing myself off Steemit at night so I can get some sleep.
I've been through burnout before which buggered my eyesight, so I'm trying not to do it again.
it's hard though when you are excited about what's happening here.
Exactly. I agree:)
Related - I think everyone can relate to this so
Here is a laugh for you:
https://steemit.com/funny/@barrydutton/meme-of-the-day-it-s-frank-underwood-from-house-of-cards-and-he-wants-to-know-about-steemit
Thanks I will check it out:)
Nope.. The American gun rights were put into place after the civil war to protect the people from the government.....
Yes I understand. Have you watched the video yet - even if you disagree with it I think you might like the way it is put together and not put forward in a hysterical manner.
Fact: Violent crime has plummeted by about 50% over the past 25 years. During that same timeframe, states have trended toward a relaxation of restrictions on open and concealed weapons. If guns were the root problem, this would not be the case. Calling for prohibition of guns to be enforced by government agents armed with guns is absurd.
Interesting - I agree it is not as simple as just getting rid of guns. Also even if they were banned what do you do about the guns that are already there?
Have you seen the video yet? I was impressed by it and I think you might be even if you don't agree with it.
@thecryptofiend - I think I'll gave the same answer as - to what the effect is going to be if we ban racism etc -
people tend to do more of what they are told not to do.
In Portugal, they legalized drugs and don't jail anyone who uses it and that's when the crime related to drugs went down .
I don't like the idea of carrying guns more so using it - but maybe they need it out there and maybe if the owner is not a killer and would just shoot to defend himself and just immobilize anyone who serves as threat to his life - then .. no I don't agree with violence so I'll park here :D
Thanks for your sensible comments. I generally agree with giving people a choice. I would not be opposed to having guns here in England as long as people were vetted before getting a license but I think I am in the minority. Give the video a watch if you can and comment on Youtube if you have time - this young gentleman would be a fine addition here.
@thecryptofiend, haha are you psychic?
I didn't watch the video - just the start - someone's screamin so I just read
busted :D
Lol no I was just guessing. Yes the start is tough. It is from a movie though (not real). Just skip it if you can't watch it. Please comment on the Youtube if you can maybe this young fellow will come and join us:)
God created men, Sam Colt made them equal.
More guns, less crime.
Thanks for commenting. Did you like the video though?
I'm more in favor of ending rule by force.
When our gov't stops setting the example that violence is perfectly legitimate in the pursuit of one's goals we will stop seeing people emulate them.
The first lesson we learn as kids is to do as we are told because, violence.
Until we reject rule by bullying those weaker than us, violently lashing out will remain as the only viable option for the powerless/hopeless.
So, yeah, doing nothing is not an option, carry your gun everywhere and maybe you can stop one of these tragedies in it's tracks.
http://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
Thanks for the link. That is an interesting perspective. In many ways I have similar feelings in that I think at the very least everyone should be taught self defence - if I was allowed to carry a gun in England I'm not sure if I would but I would certainly learn to use one just in case.
Ya'll's cultural conditioning is very different than ours, ya'll never rebelled against your queen and threw of your parasitical masters, therefore you have never learned what freedom was nearly like.
We, at least, had it where the long arm of the law's thugs couldn't force us to comply.
I wouldn't advocate introducing guns into Europe, either.
Were it not for the gun culture keeping the vultures off us we wouldn't have what little freedom we still have left.
Those that rule by force couldn't beat us on the field of battle, so they moved the frontlines to our minds.
We are just now starting to free ourselves there, as well.
Yes I think people are slowly waking up to the control and manipulation. Steemit is a part of that.
I don't think so, but it will be scary as hell to watch them try.
Agreed I don't think it could happen. Please watch the video if you haven't it is really well made - it would be great if we could get more of this sort of discussion going on here and attract Youtubers like Gray here.
No... No ban of guns. Ever.
Yes I understand where you are coming from. What did you think of the video?
@dwinblood said:
True that, but there's more to it.
I think most people who fought in anger will agree, that it is easier to kill with a bomb than with a gun, easier to kill with a gun than with a knife, easier to kill with a knife than with your bare hands. I'm not talking about technique or effectiveness here, but about emotion. The more distance a weapon creates, the more abstract and easy the killing becomes.
Second is availability. I am glad I live in a country with strict gun controls, simply because there aren't many guns around, and the black market is tiny and difficult to access. Guns are illegal and hard to get, so not any Johnny Moron can just grab one and go on a shooting spree. The more effort and preparation is required to kill, the less likely people are to go through with it. Availability can make a difference. Also, if the idiots would have easy access to guns, I would want one too, a miniature arms race in the making. Conversely, I don't need a gun because there are so few around that could threaten me.
But the USA is coming from a different perspective, it is a different culture, and guns are part of it, and most of all, the guns are already there. Simply banning them would not do much good, as people probably would not only feel a right was taken away, but would also hang on their weapons despite the ban.
Some loose thoughts:
If weapons are intended for use against a violent or oppressive government, and not for personal self defense, why not allow ownership but forbid carrying one outside your house? If that doesn't satisfy gun owners, something else entirely is going on.
Also, make all gun owners and buyers do training and pass a test. After all, you do that before you are allowed to drive a car, why not for guns as well?
Great points, you sound just like the guy in the video! Very reasonable. As an American I'll say that the issue doesn't seem to be the people, it's the politicians. There are many gun regulations that the majority of Americans agree on. Our political system is just so stagnant and degenerate it no longer seems capable of capable of doing anything ... let alone gun control.
Yes and politicians love to play us against each other I think we can all agree on that. It is one of their standard modes of operation.
These things depend upon training. Gun makes it easier to kill with a knife without requiring training. I know people that would be absolutely devastating with a knife. In fact they are so good with them that if you have a gun and are not further than 20 feet from them I'd bet they'd come out on top. They are trained though...
I just posted a followup to this blog on my own blog... stressing the idea here...
Great points. One of the interesting things that I read at some point was that there are a lot of guns in Canada too but they have less gun crime proportionally to the US. Obviously they have a much smaller population density and the population is a lot more spread out. Could this be a problem that is more prevalent in places of high population density?
Almost every Swiss male has a gun at his house, because of the militia-style organisation of the Swiss Army.
Also, the federal legislation allows the free purchase of semi-automatic firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence, though permits for carrying in public are issued only restrictively. There is proper vetting before you get a gun license. Stricter gun laws were rejected in a referendum.
Quite a few guns around there as well, but not much gun crime. Culture could play a big role here.
Interesting. I will have to see if somebody has done a psychological or sociological study on this. I'm sure someone will have done.
You inspired me to make a post relating to this and I specifically mention you, and this post at the outset. Basically am just expanding upon the comment I wrote here.
Cool. I will check it out mate!
I do not think banning guns is the answer. Nice post @thecryptofiend
Thanks. Please watch the video though. I think it is really well done and very sensible. It would be great to get this young fellow on Steemit:)
Great video. I agree we should all reach out to YouTubers and let them know the value of cryptocurrency and their options to YouTube.
Thank you my friend. Yes exactly and even if they are people we disagree with it is healthy to get more debate going. We need to let people know how great Steemit is and how their work will be valued here:)
Exactly. This country was founded on free speech and I believe this social blockchain could set itself up to be at the tip of the spear. Especially in dark times of manipulation and suppression like these.
Yes it is perfect. Particularly now that we have FB, Reddit etc banning topics.
Yeah, I would like to see him on steemit.
Let's hope this gets his attention. Here is a link to the tweet I made if anyone wants to retweet it:
#steemit #guncontrol #liberty
Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.
I appreciate it Mr bot.
Nah
So far it is a constitutional right in the US as well as a personal choice.... just remember the founding and protection of the country and it's populace depended on it... and right or left they still use them for it.
Thanks for commenting. Did you watch the video?
Yes I did same story as many others.
Cool thanks:)
I just checked out steemit.help, it looks great on mobile too 😊
Thanks:)