While I wouldn't use the words "up against". I would simply say whether on the blockchain or in our hometown, we are living with humans.
Humans have different value and different life goals and are at different points in their life. Who am I to tell you what you should be here for?
Who are you to tell me what I should be here for? I mean do you even know? (Of course, you don't, because how would you?)
My vision is a crypto economy and social media site, one that allows for all types of people and content and yes, business people and those who value money, because we didn't quit being human when we signed up. So, I guess that is what people are "up against". :) I actually find exploring all of these ideas in the comment section just as interesting as your post and way more interesting than my latest post. Anyway, I've got to go make some dinner now and live in my "other life" for a bit.
Man, there’s no one I find more polarizing on Steemit than @whatsup.
I always both like her and dislike her at the same time.
I find her readyness to agree to disagree admirable, but at the same time - as a Finnish person - I also consider it grating that there’s seemingly no way to get any genuine human reaction out of her.
I guess it’s possible that she really is that mature, but there’s always some skepticism applied when someone is actually mature and nice on the internet.
That said, I tend to read what she writes with interest.
It’s 04:45 AM, and I’m on my phone, so I’m not getting into the libertarianism/socialism thing here.
I will, however, say that if freedom sucks, it doesn’t have any value. The value of freedom comes from its potential to better lives.
Valuing something that’s worse than the alternative comes from simple autism.
And crypto is basically where the autists who are not into Pokémon speedrunning go to.
It’s usually one or the other.
Somethings that sucks to you may not suck to me. (regarding freedom)
I've never been everyone's cup of tea. lol and I know I am some what of an oddball, and I hold many unpopular view points.
On the other hand, I enjoy your humor, I appreciate your values, even though sometimes I think they are stupid. lol..
And I like you, but I am not saying that to try to make you feel guilty. I think my written tone is off-putting. In real life a lot of people like me. :) Or wait, maybe they don't maybe they just tell me that.
Oh no, now I am cycling into self-doubt.
Well, considering I’m a libertarian, I appreciate that we agree on it being stupid sometimes.
What I meant that it’d be refreshing to see you get annoyed sometimes, instead of being a robot.
But if you really are as good and mature of a person as your Steemit character, it’s commendable.
My first assumption with people is that they lie, that’s all.
I often read @whatsup as someone who is doing public relations services and crowd control, a spin artist; but not always.
haha, this is awkward, but kind of fun. Maybe I should do a post making sure I sound okay to all of y'all. :)
Don't do that. Be you.
I didn't mean it like that. :D
There's nothing wrong with you. It's just that you come off as a little too perfect, and it's suspicious.
Sometimes I'd like to slap you in the face and shout: "Be annoyed with me!"
Maybe it's just a sadomasochistic desire with some underlying sexual tension, who knows.
While we disagree on a few things, this is what I know...
If the three of us, you, @nonameslefttouse and I got together to have a glass of whiskey or the bottle, we would have a great time. There would be truths, heated arguments, the jokes would be dark, dank and hilarious. We would talk about our hopes and frustrations and probably be friends for life. In fact now I kind of want to do it. :)
So what if we disagree with the ever-changing financial model of Steem? I don't choose to focus on the disagreements. I get very annoyed with people and there are some I truly dislike neither of you fall into that category. Because you are both direct and honest, while I disagree with you, I respect you. That's all guys thanks for a great conversation.
I've been meaning to come back to this thread for quite some time to tell you that you don't come across as a spin artist much anymore these days. You changed! We all do. Your flow is much more genuine now.
It's funny though because I remembered this as something that sounded way more nasty but really, that was quite lighthearted, kinda funny, and whatever. People being people.
I'm pretty sure this was the rant I regretted in my post today. For some reason, this one and some of the conversations have always haunted me. The time I fucked up. That's how I always remembered it.
It wasn't that bad.
What an epic discussion. :)
I remember this too, but couldn't remember where or why we had it.
I've never been upset about it. I like trashing through various ideas. :)
I think I was trying to be more formal then. I had this idea of treat it like a job, or another explanation is I had just quit my 15-year executive position when I found steem and maybe it took a while for the formal communication to wear off. :)
What a journey, glad you are on it too.
I lean more to the actual potential of Steemit and the other apps running on this blockchain. That being a disruptive technology that could potentially drive many of the billions of dollars generated by both the arts and entertainment industry as well as the information age in our direction. Everything from movies to social media can be hosted on this blockchain and monetized here and those SMTs may play a critical role in this.
With the systems in place, someone who is already established in that world needs to be able to view this realm as somehow better than their current situation. A famous author will not come here to publish books if it means spending more money than they already do in their world. Much of the social media world is free so they won't come here to pay to do their thing. I witnessed a somewhat famous internet personality show up. They had nearly 500 million views on their resume. They don't have time to go pissing around trying to squeak out tiny bits of profit from a growing list of bots. These people produce content, and there, done, earn money. So that dude is gone. No incentive to be here. Someone who's never blogged before pushes their work away. That's insulting to someone like that. I'm rambling though. Most don't see my vision. It's a grand one. I think big and probably just sound delusional.
I hear your view and I agree with much of it. I know this will trigger everyone I am talking to on this thread. I wish I didn't hold myself to honesty in this moment.
Looking at this like a business the easiest thing to replace on this chain is the content creators. Investors.. hard to find. Developers, hard to find. Content Creators and people who want to write and create are everywhere, most of them will flock to money at some point. The successful ones are used to paying for visibility, marketing and shelf-space. So, they will not be shocked by this environment. The smart ones also know their current economic model is falling apart. They will come, they will adapt to whatever the current culture is. That is my view.
I know content creators will hate me for saying it, but I come from corporate world and sometimes some of this might feel dirty to some. To me this space is beautiful and still developing. Eventually, and likely soon, the tide will change.
We have all these people building applications on the site. They also want to earn. Once we get a little bit further down this path, they will be begging for talented content creators to come and post on their site.
That is where the tide turns in your favor.
I don't want to offend, I just tend to call it how I see it, and it can be off putting to some.
You're right. I guess I'll leave. I'm sure another me will take my place.
See ya!
I hope you don't, but if you do, I would miss your content and sense of humor.
It seems a very immature way to handle one person saying. Yep, I like you, I like your content, I engage with you and I upvote you, but that isn't enough for you, I have to own your ideas as well.
That price is too high. I hope you stay if you leave that is your choice.
I'll be here tomorrow either way.
My post here today was about people stabbing me in the back and my decision to move forward without helping them. I don't care if you have a difference of opinion. Nowhere, in anything I said was I bitching about the state of my blog, but it is unfortunate that I go out of my way, make sacrifices, and end up getting burned.
If I start buying votes, that'll take whatever some of these minnows gain through buying votes away from them. I could push them down and out of sight and play that game too. More of the noobs would see my rep, my wallet, and be lured over to my blog just because of that. They would ignore the minnows I leave in my wake. I do not want to do that, but I could, easily. They are in enough of a jam without me and others coming around to step on their toes. I refuse to do it.
Understood and clear.
People against buying votes sounds like communists. The real world people buy promotion and advertising. Google Adwords, Facebook advertising and Amazon Marketplace.
"Blah, blah, blah, something, something, something communism."
Seriously, I've been a libertarian for a decade plus, I've worked hard to build a life for myself, while championing individualism.
I've taken no handouts. I've starved without eating anything for nearly two weeks straight because I refused to take government money after running out of my savings.
I'm not a socialist.
And despite all of the above, I'm so sick of the fact that libertarians never come up with anything else to say besides "communism".
I can't tell people whether or not to buy votes.
However, I'm a little weirded out by the whole thing.
What's the benefit for the vote buyer? You get to the trending page. Then what? What happens?
A few minnows think you're a hot shot and give you small upvotes.
Isn't the profit made basically the few dollars you would have made otherwise anyway?
Can someone walk me through the thing?
It's not like being on the trending page earns one any worthwhile votes. The whales don't curate, nobody else's votes matter.
So what gives?
Thanks for a great response. I highly appreciate that!
Awesome!
You are only considering a few vote buyers and a few bots in this view. MOST bot users are just trying to gain visibility out of frustration with the lack of engagement and votes. The bots are great for keeping some of the minnows around they send. .03 cents and they gain a little bit of traction. Oh, how I wish we had them when we were little minnows.
There are some scammers and some who do things I would consider abusive. I flag them when I see them, because I am not a pussy and I don't care about missing out on a few cents in curation.
I am way happier with the trending page now than I have ever been. It is a surprise every day, and every single user can make a decision to put a real investment into their content to get some attention. Most of those users believe in the future of the platform enough to risk or even spend moeny on the bots. That is who I want to retain.
I LITERALLY don't care how awesome you think your writing/art/singing or how much you hate money or whether or not you want all these other people on the site who are moving money around on the site. I don't care. That isn't what it is about for me, and believe it or not I find no moral conflict in that. I do care very much about my character. I just don't care what you think of it, based on some weird arbitrary idea you hold.
If we take the bidbots away, we go back to the old crew on the trending page. I am not for that at all.
If people want to ban themselves from using the bots due to idealization of some absurd moral rationale, or commitment to a certain of content, fuck 'em.
I can only speak for myself, but things were better for me, personally, in the beginning - before the vote bots. I’m much worse off now.
Though a lot of other things have changed, as well.
I’ve never cared about the trending page, so I’m not sure where this weird attack is coming from.
The only thing I hate about the trending page is the fact that I’m not there. But it is what it is.
Other than that, I just find it boring. It’s always boring. But I recognize that I’m the problem because I just care about things that are pretty niche. Other people may find it fun, I dunno.
I only care about a few things here:
What I’m making, first and foremost. Most of my frustrations are due to my lack of rewards.
The few people who legitimately read and care about my content.
As a continuation of the above, I care about what they’re making. And want them to do better for purely subjective reasons.
Nothing else I really care about.
The attack wasn't personal, it was a list of all the weird things people say to justify hating the bots.
The reason your rewards are down is you are always telling your followers to stop upvoting you. Do you ever wonder if that is part of it.
In my opinion we have 2 big problems... Distribution, like 12 people have enough SP to give a decent vote. Which is what created the demand for the bots and engagement. So, here we are engaging. :)
Don't call me a fucking communist.