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RE: The Future of Steemit

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@haejin , is there a reason you cannot do 1 post each day covering multiple coins as opposed to posting 4-10 posts? It doesn't appear that all your material is time sensitive, and if it is, it looks like you have SMS text messaging services for that. Seems like this would be a viable solution. People here are upset about your practices, but not sure I would take it personal if I were you. . Anyone who is exploiting the system would be treated the same way. You're not the first who has done these things and probably will not be the last. . .

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I prefer he do it coin by coin so I can ignore a lot of reading... Most analyst prepare their analysis in this way. I'm not sure I follow the problem, what is wrong with what he's doing? Is he doing something wrong, or just making too much doing something? I tried to read the post but it's going over my head for some reason, what am I missing?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_FchZPoFmP_0igDxxZPwPAhiXjWxKN1Fh-5M25k2x9E/edit?hl=en&rm=minimal#gid=224399891 <----- This will help you monitor coin activity. I use it daily. Read my blog, and many of you questions will be answered. I am a buy and hold investor, while most people want to make a quick buck and ride the pump and dump- and usually end up with less than zero. Pay especially close attention to the new IRS tax regulations you will find in my blog. Read the white paper, and investigate the developers of each coin, before investing. haejin is a victim of his own success, long story short. http://www.cryptocurrencytrends.info/ He already has his own website, and the whale that funds him is smart enough to realize that Steemit NEEDS haejins content, as we are flooded with guitar pickinging, flower smelling, hippy poets, who think the world owes them upvotes. (Nothing against hippies or deadheads, btw) Hope I didnt sugarcoat that too much. Youre welcome.

Wow thanks this is actually very helpfull :D

the frist image of this article has a great concept. peace. thanks boro!

THANKS FOR SHARING!

what matters is that together we can take care of this great community and we will always be the majority to placate those who abuse the vote

Thanks will do. Always looking for more information. Still hard to get coverage on some alt coins.

Sounds like he's helping us out by bringing content and dollars to the community.

Awesome spreadsheet man

Ok call me dumb...but other than the "public interest" column...why can't you just get this data from coinmarketcap.com? Or maybe the opportunities tab...but they didn't give a key to explain the little symbols. What am I missing here?

You can get it from where ever you feel best suits your needs. Personally, I find the google spreadsheet much easier to navigate, as it displays which exchanges offer the specific coins you are intersted in purchasing. Not every exchange offers every coin. Read my blog, and you want have to ask so many questions, they will be answered when you read my research. your welcome.

I think his Content is very useful because i am new to Crypto and i can't do some TA by myself now. Because of his Post for Verge i made 2000 $ from 90 $ - I think that's awesome ! They are so many useless Post here on steemit that earns also a lot of money. Just my opinion. BTW these berniesanders bots just downvoted me because i like haejin's Content. This is ridiculous...

"BTW these berniesanders bots just downvoted me because i like haejin's Content. This is ridiculous..."

Wow, if that happened, things are getting really bad.

Personally I think that if Steem Power is the measure of vote value, nobody should complain why someone is getting more from the rewards pool and why others get less.
My SP is My SP and I will spend it based on my subjective views.
Why don't we take a look at other Steemit posts where rewards are small, but these junk post combined are quite a lot in rewards.
If steemit is decentralized network, everybody has a right to upvote or downvote.
The balance will come just like in the economics - Demand and Supply create the equilibrium price.

Upvotes and Downvotes will create the equilibrium by itself. There is no need to declare a war or post long philosophical post about how @haejin or @randowhale or @anyone-else is acting.

All of the above is my subjective opinion and you may downvote it as well as upvote it.

Wow, if that happened, things are getting really bad.

This has been happening for weeks, man. I'm not sure if @themarkymark is aware of this or not. This is basically tit-for-tat childish nonsense that bernie kicked off weeks ago. Both groups need to pull their fucking heads in and stop with the childish bullshit. Vote each others stuff into oblivion, but just stop with the collective punishment.

Nothing would be better for us minnows than for the whales to flag each others VP to nothing every day.

We'd get more than $.02 payouts then.

:)

True that!

What's a whale but someone who brings a disproportionate amount of attention to the platform? Minnows don't bring me here, whales do. If you want to be a whale, and get whale-sized payouts, bring whale-sized value in your content. Dragging everyone down just so you don't look so small (relatively speaking) just makes everyone lose. It's not like @Haejin is being accused of hacking the site surreptitiously. From what I can see, he's getting attacked because others are jealous of his massive appeal. This is the behavior of children. If you think better content needs to be produced, make it! Otherwise, don't complain when the payouts go to those who do!!

"If you want to be a whale, and get whale-sized payouts, bring whale-sized value in your content."

TBQH, the content we post has little to do with our rewards. @haejin exemplifies this, particularly. If you exclude all votes from @ranchorelaxo from the debate, there is no more reason to debate whether @haejin's posts are problematic in any way.

This issue is about rewards distribution, not content.

Further you completely misunderstand my position. I don't seek to 'drag whales down'. I want them to profit MORE from their investments.

The price of Steem has rewarded whales more in the last week than all the self-votes they have cast in the last year.

I seek wider distribution of rewards not because I even care about my personal rewards, but because that will cause Steemit to grow, and create price pressure on Steem upwards, producing capital gains for whales.

I want Steemit to become more than a rewards pool mining algorithm. The mechanism of rewarding content creators on a social media platform has the potential to topple tyrannical banksters, and produce a new libertarian model of democratic governance all over the world.

That's really my goal.

"nobody should complain why someone is getting more from the rewards pool and why others get less."

The whales care, because they're getting $500/post. 5% of $500 is $25.

That's more than you're gonna make this month in payouts. That's what @haejin is costing them each time they post.

Median payout is $.02. 5% of nothing is.... nothing.

We don't care. He's hitting them in the wallet, and they want all the money.

Now this is something I agree with. Upvotes and downvotes willl create the equilibrium for it self. If someone decide to buy steem and steem power, he has the right to use it as he deem fit. If proper calculations have been made in the creating of this platform, everything will always balance out.

You have to scroll down a bit:

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@haejin/haejin-exceeds-10-000-followers-this-proves-people-follow-for-good-content-not-bad-content#@dalexx/re-haejin-haejin-exceeds-10-000-followers-this-proves-people-follow-for-good-content-not-bad-content-20180102t200816458z

dalexx (31) · 3 hours ago

You are my Daily Ritual and my Morning Routine since 4 Months.
Thanks for sharing your TA + Knowledge @haejin !

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I agree with you @dahlsom most of the thing this post i can't understand too. Whatever @haejin maybe running inhouse group upvoting with like steemian who have 100% voting power. If once have huge steemPower and 100% worth for 1 vote value $100 then 10 vote can make $1000 very possibly. The matter is if they doing anything illegale obviously he should got stuck from steemit board or disable by stuff. Do you think @rawdawg steemit team help him to do this?

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Why would he do this @rawdawg? He's working within the rules to maximise his profit. Why earn $2,000 per day when he can earn $20,000. There is no incentive for him to do this. We operate in an anarchic ecosystem where people can do whatever they like as long as they are comfortable with the results that flow from the algorithm. I would suggest that @haejin is very comfortable with his outcomes currently.

Does his daily whining indicate his high comfort level to you?

There is also no incentive for people to stop flagging him at this point ... cuz ... they're "working within the rules to minimize his profit". ;)

Arguably, using the flag to flag content that is valid and not "abuse" isn't "within the rules". Especially if witnesses are doing it.

How do you feel about @haejin removing all post rewards from the Largest Cryptocurrency Freeroll Poker Site in the World which is funded by posts on the Steem blockchain?

haejin just killed one of the largest and most successful Steemit communities and yet, no outcry from his 7,000 followers.



Why? Because we did not agree with his large daily sum of the reward pool and were simply trying to protect our and other projects who do contribute positively to the Steemit Community and who do help support other legitimate projects within the Community and who are TRUE #community-builders and not destroyers like @haejin's recent actions make him appear to be.

I am a cryptocurrency trader, I see no value in his post for me personally. If my downvotes on some of his overly rewarded post cost him $1 each, @haejin should realize all that happened with my flag was he donated a tiny portion of $1 to every other Steemian that posted that day.

But for @haejin to then turn around and take ALL of the Steem Poker Leagues post payouts for simply trying to return $1 back to the Steemit Community as a whole, then I guess ...

haejin is showing everyone on Steemit what kind of person he really is.


IMHO, @haejin is a very selfish person to think that each of his post deserves more than an entire projects weekly rewards.

I am powering down because of it. Tired of wasting time, I am going to take my 200 steem and go home

His one post makes more then I did in 1000 hours of being on steem . Pretty sad

How did he "remove" them?

And if this is a platform flaw... shouldn't a platform fix be the solution?

Seems like a simple adjustment to set a maximum on the amount of the reward pool any one person could pull.

I think your comments are a symptom of his supporters not understanding how Steem/Steemit work. ;)

Keep in mind, I'd never even heard of this guy until I saw this post. Now I try to snipe an upvote in before he does, so his self-vote will pay me nicely. Glad the OP made this tip thread.

Actually, I know @secondstar personally. He's cool.

I think your comments are of symptom of a socialist getting on a site created by a libertarian, then telling everyone else they don't know how it works.

They don't care because he makes them money. If U make ppl money ppl will follow and reward u and u can do what u accuse him of.

I disagree, he shares his data with everyone, even those who downvote his posts. He has helped people break the cycle of poverty and pay off their mortgages and add much needed revenue. Thats why he is so well liked. His investment strategies and methods are 90% accurate. This is why the whale is defending him, as having his content on this platform adds actual monetary value for those new to the world of crypto. Many are simply jealous of his success and his ability to forecast trends in the altcoin market, plain and simple. If you want to earn more money or altcoin or increase your investment portfolio- just listen to his advice- it will cost you nothing but a few minutes to read his posts- if they havent been flagged by wall street backed, self appointed "bitcoin gurus" with no prior track record, who charge over $2,500 to name a few altcoins.

The number one reason to flag content is disagreement on rewards. Below are the listed reasons for flagging. Click on the flag and you will see for yourself. Thanks,

Flagging a post can remove rewards and make this material less visible. Some common reasons to flag

Disagreement on rewards
Fraud or Plagiarism
Hate Speech or Internet Trolling
Intentional miss-categorized content or Spam

I see that. Have to say I disagree with lumping a simple "downvote" in with a "flag".... they're two very different things.

Actually, they aren't

In most platforms, they are. Flagging a thing is flagging it... usually some sort of inappropriate content/spam/kiddie porn/racism/threats/etc. The idea of flagging is it raises awareness on a method of filtering content. Be it a manual admin, or an automated system like we have here where it actually hides the content from people/feeds/etc.

A downvote is "I didn't like your content or have a differing opinion." Not "your content is abusive and should be removed."

In the white paper disagreement on rewards isn't even mentioned

I concord with you dear

pleae help others in need,vote steem82

If you want to flag people... how about focusing on the spam bots like that ^

I agree bots are a huge issue, but that bot isn't making any $$$, which is what people are upset about.

True. People certainly like to get mad over someone else making money instead of them more than over actually making sure the platform isn't just a shitshow of spam trash no one wants to use.

You don't have any money at stake. @haejin, if he's taking 5% of the rewards, isn't changing your rewards at all. Nada. Zip.

You and the 50k other minnows, like me, share 1% of the rewards.

Which whales get the 99% doesn't matter to us at all.

I love Steemit but the facts you point out are depressing to me. Steemit is just a reflection of what is happening in the real world (ie. most of the money and resources going to the top 1%).
There are some high stakeholders who want things to be different with @berniesanders being one in my opinion but until more of the 1% richest Steemians stop enjoying earning more rewards in a day than me or you earn in a month or more, nothing much will change. The price of Steem rising the way it is will only make things worse. Sure, we'll see more users joining Steemit in the short term but how long will they still around when they are earning $0.01 average post? Ok, so people might say, "Well $0.01 is better than nothing on Wordpress" but to me that isn't the point.

As beautiful as your writing and beautiful
I see your post.
i will read your articles every day from today.
promised.
please follow me and give me a vote kindly

Why earn $2,000 per day when he can earn $20,000

You can shear a sheep many times, but skin it only one - Amarillo Slim

oh no please leave the sheep alone!

I was asking @haejin to answer. Do you have the authority to speak for the man. The preservation of Steem as a community is most sustainable if everyone works together for the benefit of all. Just like a real community without a governing body would operate. This is a lofty goal as personal rewards are involved and human nature is to be greedy for ones own personal gain so maybe the experiment will fail. It most certainly would fail if 50-100 more people were behaving in this manner.

Well, if everyone is gonna share nice, then this should change, right?authorrewardchart.png

All for one, one for all!

Well, not according to rewards.

Where's Waldo... err Uh I mean haejin?

it s already hard enough to find a chart on a specific coin he put out 10 days ago it would be near impossible if everything was under one post each day.

It would be easier. Go to the post from 10 days ago, look for that coin. All in one post. Let your browser do that search. As long as steemit has no working search function

From anarchy to a community of anarchists with a leader who is also an anarchist haha.

I was not answering for him. I don’t even know him. I was simply posing a question in response to your comment.

In response to the additional point you raised, this is exactly how a community without a governing body would operate. It’s called anarchism. The idealised society that wish to create doesn’t exist. Steemit is proof of that.

It’s true! If we all behave this way, will the people currently doing it still feel it’s justifies?

As beautiful as your writing and beautiful
I see your post.
i will read your articles every day from today.
promised.
please follow me and give me a vote kindly

Dear Friend
Like the best moment to take good

Personally I like this option of combining multiple coins in a single post. Also I think that perhaps that perhaps the name calling from BS actually made things much worse than it ever had to be. Attacking the actual real users that have benefited form Haejin, myself included only poured fuel on an already out of control fire.

I don't like the bots, not even the upvote bots that I in fact used in the beginning but soon realized the folly in doing so. I don't care to see such abusive sexual language in BS post or his army of Bernie bot's post either. I do hope that as STEEMit comes out of BETA that an algorithm is found that can work this rewards pool crap out. But we do need to all keep in mind THIS IS A BETA. What we are experiencing is in fact how production software gets fine tuned.

Look I hate nothing more than I hate censorship. Flagging a post into oblivion and its rewards is not the answer. Perhaps flagging it down to what was a "presumed" reasonable amount prior to ranchorelaxo boosting his earnings too far would be more acceptsble as we weave through the endless beta releases. However I think that the abusive name calling, flaming and flagging from BS came before anyone even attempted to say, "hey can we address this CIVILLY", was ever offered.

Perhaps if we could all get on discord one day and have a civil discussion about this in the community we would have a solution we could offer the witnesses and developers for Steemit Final.

In the end the generals all have the power to tamp this down and cut out the abusive name calling.
But we all need to keep in mind, BETA! For now we are all STEEMit Guinea pigs and the rewards system was not setup by Haejin nor his thousands of followers that may in fact be a few bots but looking at his YouTube following of 19,000 one can be assured that the majority of his 10k+ Steemit following are real people that are seeing real benefits to his Elliot Wave readings.

And just a note... I am the one that is providing the SMS service.
Seems that also got me flagged

Just my two STEEMS Worth.Steemerica_mini.JPG Steemerica_mini.JPG

because he is greedy. It like those youtubers that post 4 or 5 videos a day when they could just do it all in one

Why do you even care? I'm not gonna spend much time figuring out your average payout, but a quick glance shows that the rewards on this comment are probably in the ballpark. If @haejin is taking 5% of the rewards pool, that will affect you to the tune of $.35 per payout.

Doesn't matter at all to you financially. When you consider the median payout is $.02, it matters a hell of a lot less to almost everyone on the platform - except for the 1500 dolphins, orca, and whales, who get 99% of rewards. The rest of us split 1%.

Why should we care?

Dear friend
Like getting a good post

He could edit his post, if numbers change.
But I guess, greed has no limits.
Typical bankster behaviour.

#Contribution comment
i reply on another persons comment for show you fast. anyway thats really a very important post to all steemians.
i am a big #fan of you,,

keep it up,,
i always #support you

Thank you @themarkymark