This may be a weird question to ask and I'm sure for many of you it'll just be regular active social media users - which is fine and great, but I'd also wanna point out some things I deem valuable when looking at certain accounts that sway me to wanna curate them more or throw more inflation their way one way or another. Thus I thought maybe writing this post and seeing what others respond with might nudge certain users in the right direction if they've either been negligent or just didn't know any better as to how they can improve their odds of earning rewards here in case they aren't.
Naturally this is quite a subjective question and the answers can vary widely as well, but I think that there's a certain extra people have to provide to the chain to be more rewarded. This doesn't mean that curation is perfect, some times you may not get rewarded even though you should and similarly some may get rewarded even though they probably shouldn't, but we can improve it if many of us come to terms on what we agree is valuable and attempt to strive for it.
When I look at regular users, the main "give" they have is usually to create content, whether short content like actifit, splinterlands battles, etc, or medium length content or longform content, that's primiarly the effort we can see that they've brought forth. Something to keep in mind however is that content in and of itself isn't that valuable if it's not bringing any eyeballs to them, of course this is also difficult to always verify, but if there's barely any users ever commenting or curating your content with (what we may distinguish to be manual votes) one can assume that the content isn't being consumed much if at all.
This is unfortunately all many curators care about at times it feels like, which causes a lot of authors to become content with the way they use hive and they fail to strive for more. Such as being active, looking for the crowd that shares the same interests as you so they can connect with you and engage with your posts as you engage with theirs. There's ton of posts that sit at $5-10+ in rewards with no consumption or proof that anyone consumed them while the authors are also barely engaging anywhere and if they do all they say is "thanks" or similarly short, low effort engagement primiarly directed at comments on their own posts, when they get them. As regular users, and by regular users I mean those without a huge voice outside of hive that could technically bring more value to the chain by advertising their presence here there, it kind of feels like they take things for granted and assume that just creating content and landing on people's autovotes/blind votes is enough and that's going to last forever. What's worse is some who really rely on the rewards on Hive do the same thing, like, if you really need the rewards this much, how are you not bothering spending a bit extra time to grow your audience? How is it that the only time you make a fuss about things is when someone eventually adjusts the rewards down a bit through downvotes, it's kind of baffling to me.
Another step would be to integrate yourself with communities and initiatives. We see many go the extra mile, there may even be some that don't even post but are generating rewards by actively engaging or participating in diverse events that attempt to bring value to the chain. If I know certain authors are also curators, helping moderate certain communities, helping out certain dapps/front-ends, etc, I'm way more likely to wanna throw votes their way than those doing the bare minimum which is posting solely.
Now a quick talk about irregular users, which we don't have many of these days, but if new ones were to join who do have an "influence" and a larger following/voice outside of hive, naturally these would easily get a lot of votes thrown their way and that's great. One thing however is when some of these don't do anything after a certain time has expired other than copypaste their content to hive to get those extra rewards along their web2 ad revenue. We've seen this happen over time many times as well, they get used to the rewards and either fail to understand why hive is different or don't bother to actually strengthen the network and "giving back" any value by attempting to bring their following over here. Which is kind of crazy considering they can easily curate and reward their following through comments and delegations if they wanted, something they can't do on web2 in any easy way, but they choose not to. Instead they choose to keep their hive presence hidden, in some cases for years upon years while getting autovotes and blind votes while the content they share here barely even gets any consumption from people here let alone outsiders since they consume it on web2. At some point we gotta put our foot down in those cases and ask them to do a bit more, but instead they finally use their voice outside of hive to talk shit about the platform cause they may receive some downvotes after years of rewards flying their way that could've rather gone to some users spending way more time and effort here, even if they're not that influential outside of hive.
Either way, without going off-track too much. Do you put more effort/time into hive other than just posting? Do you make an effort to engage or curate (even if those votes may not be worth much) as well? What other ways do you attempt to bring value to the chain that maybe curators aren't noticing or you feel should get better rewarded?
Keep in mind I'm ignoring a few things on purpose here, I don't care about users' KE score or if their content is stuff not many care about, I'm simply asking about what more they do on Hive that they feel brings value to the chain in one way or another.
and I hope that we can slowly turn the tide where users not putting in a bit more effort aren't getting freebie rewards forever as that may cause quite a harsh reality check down the line.
Thanks for reading.
I don't think it's a weird question. I'd encourage everybody to share with the community what value they bring so that they get value in return (value for value).
There are definitely people that do a lot more than I do around here, and I could definitely do more, but I like to think I contribute a little bit to the ecosystem by:
Currently:
I feel I do a lot but your post kind of made me think twice.
I am someone that loves perfect content. I spend a lot of my time to create a post. I usually sit for hours to make sure it looks good.
I noticed that people weren't really consuming video content. So for my last post, I decided to share on X and spread more awareness and I was shocked that people actually started engaging more. My friends that still use web2 really loved it and started asking questions about Hive. Other Hive users engaged my post more and I surprisingly have made new friends and formed a relationship with them.
In summary, you're right. Its not just about creating content. Its more of creating "consumable content" and bringing "something valuable" other than content to Hive. So I will take note of what you have said and pay attention to details outside just creating content. I will keep posting and sharing on X to spread awareness of Hive, participate in more activities on hive and also maybe try to moderate small communities.
Your post was enlightening, thank you.
It's not a weird question actually I think about the same thing almost on a daily basis sometime I feel bad for posting because I personally feel the content I made is not good enough for my standards at least
I’ve seen people who just autopilot through Hive like it’s a slot machine and then wonder why nothing grows. For me, the value I bring is more than just posting I try to connect, (sometimes I fail due to busy with work) share my own raw experiences, and actually interact with others. Writing, music, even experimenting with building communities outside Hive and pulling people in here that’s where I feel I’m contributing.
Bring people in is absolutely hard even with proof I have 3K+ HP now and people outside hive still don't see the value or maybe I suck at explaining how hive works.
And of course for new comers hive can be overwhelming.
I think what you said about “effort beyond posting” is key. Engagement, curation, being present those things are underrated but they’re what keep the chain alive. If all we did was drop posts and wait for autovotes, Hive would be dead.
I see my role as not just putting content out, but making sure it has conversations, cross platform reach, and bringing some of my outside world here. It’s not perfect, but it’s real.
I have more to say but I think this is enough for now 😬
I bring the cynicism.
And your biting wit
I think you are wrong to completely not care about the KE score.
If the account on HIVE has a good KE score < 1 it means that this account is contributing more to the value of Hive than it is taking away. Don't we want Hive users that invest real fiat into HIVE not to improve their KE score but to improve their curation power?
Also, if your score is less than 1 and you are never powering down that means sending some inflation your way is almost like upvoting burn posts that Hive is locked up except when that user is upvoting others. For example my KE score is 0.70 right now and it will go lower as I am adding more to my staked Power than just rewards and never power down.
There are other ways to contribute to Hive like running a Hive Witness. I am running one with the latest Hive Witness software and since I never take any hive out it means that not only I am helping to strengthen Hive blockchain, but I am also spending my $ to run it to acquire that extra 200+ Hive per month to build up my voting power:
I try to learn more about Hive every day and try to engage beyond just the replies to my posts but also on the subjects that interest me.
I also bought a little bit of Hive using other crypto I bought like ETH and transferred it into Hive so we want users that not only create content, interact with others, but also invest into the Hive.
In this regard I don't care about KE, if we can fix the big difference between certain accounts getting a lot of inflation that barely do anything compared to those that do - then the next thing would be KE I suppose, while still looking at how actice they are and valuable.
Not voting for users who have a low KE but manage to drive attention to their posts more than those with a higher KE is kind of dumb, imo.
Not to mention how those with barely any activity potentially farm on multiple accounts as well all with low activity.
I agree 100% about the views. I have that same thought which is why I try and put that extra work in for my posts that qualify for such. Things like sharing in discord channels when appropriate (frowned upon by some for some reason), sharing on reddit, all bring extra views and for me views is what a blog is suppose to be aiming for. With views follows everything else.
Its interesting you should ask such a question because I asked that very question to myself just a day or two ago. I been here awhile now and pondered how I can be doing more. I come up with some obvious answers like trying to run a node and some others that I'll keep to myself for the time being.
"Real life" is still a little busy at the moment but I certainly need to and want to do more. I have run a tiny business for a little while with my Splinterland assets long before there was a delegation system. Had a bakers dozen of players earning a 60% share.
Helping those Hivens earn during those 3* years is likely my best contribution. My blog account is my second best. Third would be the cash I tossed at the place, mainly through Splinterlands but also purchased some Hive directly.
Some of my reddit posts have hit 15,000+ views in 48 hours and I suck at reddit. But that was a couple years back. Not sure if I was just striking lightening as a newbie to reddit (which I still am) or if I simply just got a knack for such things. Once life is less buys I'm going to find out as I just might attempt to build an outside following all aimed at my Hive blog. Sorry for the novel but your question got the old hamster wheel rolling.
Holding onto all my Hive assets with a death-grip is mixed in there somewhere. Here since 2018 and haven't moved a dime off the blockchain.
There's little value in the mundane things each and every one of us posts.
The value is in the community, the connection, the genuine human interaction, and the things that I learn from people I would never encounter in my day to day life.
I write for me, and some people seem to like it, and that is great. As I said recently in my witness node announcement:
Creativity and sharing that creativity with others is a fundamental human need. To those that don't believe that, creativity is a muscle that must be trained like any other, and involves all sorts of positive biological responses much like exercise, meditation, and more.
To my eyes - Hive is in its Blockbuster moment.
The media landscape has changed and we are pretending blogging in the way it used to be will continue.
It Won't.
It’s adapt or die time.
Issue is many are stuck on the idea of Hive as a blogging social media site only and innovation is DV’d or dismissed.
It is sea change time for Hive.
Time to embrace change and adapt.
It will.
It's only about people who pay for using Medium and Substack as blogging platforms, there are much more who use them for free.
Hive has all the infrastructure to become a blockchain Medium.Com - PeakD and Ecency are amazing. The other question, we aren't Medium or Substack in any way from the point of community and content. We could change it.
Hive can be all those and way more, but doesn't mean we have to "give up blogging" because that "clearly doesn't work" like some say when we've barely had a chance to give it a try with a proper userbase.
The few times we've gotten a big influx of users was just because the coin pumped cause some korean exchanges did their thing, naturally that mainly brought people here who just wanted to extract as much as they could and only a small % remained cause they learned more about it when the short-lived pumps stopped.
Some niche hanger oner’s maybe.
But like the way it’s nostalgic to read a physical newspaper.
I blog and will continue, but we are a dying breed. Our kids, kids will say ‘blogging 🧐’
And I will say from my dinosaur rocking chair
‘Back in my day we wrote words on a screen for others to read and comment on’
There will still be bloggers like there are still people currently watching movies on blue ray
It was the same at all times - for example, many people used to blog in the 19th century too - wrote diaries, articles, books. However, most people preferred spending time drinking and talking. TikTok always existed - bars, pubs, and city squares with wandering performers, beggars, salesmen, brawlers, gossips, and so on. And kids - even from educated families - always preferred watching lepers and jugglers at the city square to writing. And, no, the circus never replaced writing.
YouTube talking-head videos - it’s just the same thing - visualized writing. In several years, we’ll hopefully have a button “visualize the article” on Hive, and you’ll be able to watch smiling Hive bloggers, looking like in real life, reading their blog posts.
As for TikTok, it might eventually turn into a pure AI stream, serving as both an antidepressant and a substitute for communication, personal life, and adventure for poorly educated people - the booze of the age of robots.
Where is innovation being downvoted? I don't see it.
Instead I fail to see innovation working properly or on par as competitors, 3speak is barely functional and not really tapping into shortform content such as tiktok, yt shorts, etc, UI looks old and the community has barely $200 rewards in pending, even with the community being in the ocd incubation (i.e. curators can nominate posts there for votes).
Stories of instagram exists on liketu but I'm not often pulled towards it, not sure who's fault that is, just saying I don't often see liketu content in front of me when curating or am lead there by active users.
This post isn't about blogging having to be the main usecase of hive nor am I trying to tell others not to innovate. It's about attention, and some innovations like spendhbd are not really something that's going to attract anyone with a sane mind to the posts to check what someone's verifying they purchased today more than a couple times.
If you don't manage to get attention, you shouldn't deserve rewards is my point, not instantly, not every now and then, but if for a long time no one's cared about your posts but you still manage to get a lot of auto or blind votes "magically", that needs to stop cause there's others way more deserving of those.
What other innovation can there exist? We're rewarding sharers up to 1% of the reward pool weekly at this point. We're rewarding buyers with HBD possibly more than that. I'd even be up to fund small time services with the reward pool as well through the Hive Shark Tank community that was recently launched, as long as it benefits all hive shareholders and not just a few token holders, etc.
Kind of a weird comment for this post.
Yo. 3Speak doesn’t use 3Speak community to post. It sends ppl to other communities to post. It also the only platform on hive that rewards based on traffic (which is actually valuable) . 200 usd pending rewards is because ppl don’t post in 3Speak community and aren’t encouraged to. 3Speak is the personally paid for by urs truly video infra for all hive communities.
We have been building an updated platform for 4 years. Which is actually finished now (finally).
Life on hive is a bitch when u pay 4k per month for 7yeas straight and don’t have funding from the dhf and then get comments like this. Maybe u fancy investing in the video infrastructure urself or even helping fund the communal storage that we pay for personally. I can’t take ur comment seriously at all until U personally start paying into the video infra like we have been for 7 years. Otherwise, I’d prefer u reach out privately to offer to help so ur criticisms at least earn some legitimacy before u make them on chain with almost zero knowledge of the actual situation with the video infrastructure we provide for free to this community at great personal cost each month
Appreciate what u do here acid, but this comment Is WILDLY out of touch. Pls use DMs better and be more self informed in future
I'm just typing what I'm seeing.
You're correct about the community not forcing people to post on there, so I stand corrected in that regard, there's probably a lot more posts uploaded to 3speak than the community. The 3 videos I checked the last 24 hours didn't work, and generally spk network has taken a lot of time to get created and seems overly complicated - and that one has received funding afaik.
I'm just a bit tired of hearing "downvotes are stifling innovation" when there's barely any being used aside from on a few farmers here and there, overrewarded posts and malicious actors who attempt to use the community for their own gain.
No need to get overly defensive like this every time 3speak is mentioned mate.
Obvs not. Because u don’t see the 350k + that we have paid to process and pay for ur communities Videos for free. I’d say it’s about time other whales on hive stepped up to cover some of these costs and then maybe there will be adequate resources left over to improve the interfaces.
We currently have a bug that has prevented videos from being played. Been as it’s the weekend, I think we will fully resolve it by Monday.
SPK network has been built by various developers, maybe I should ask them why it’s overly complicated. One in particular is asking for a 300k fee which i see as a ransom for completion. Lovely person. I’m sure it will get finished tho. But let’s see
Regards to down votes. They have definitely driven most valueabke creators off the platform and will continue to do so. Hive is no longer a blogging platform and it hasn’t been such for years now. While I don’t think I are personally culpable for it, there are other characters on Chain that seem to make t their personal mission to remove anyone with traffic via downvotes. There are literally none left here anymore. No one with traffic anyway.
I’m not defensive. But u will understand that it is better that u Just offer some resources before u comment on open source public projects that are funded by private people voluntarily out of their own pockets to help the community have an additional way to create content. We really don’t have to be doing this for u. Especially with comments like that from whales like u. I’d have expected a dm or an offer to help maybe from u??
3speak was just an example, i barely wrote more than a paragraph about what I'm seeing wrong with it and it's lack of evolution/innovation. Sorry you're having issues funding it and about the spk situation, that sucks.
It's just one of the things I noticed recently, which you confirmed has a bug/issue so clearly that was it, I'm not out here trying to shit on it or having some ulterior motives as if it's going to affect it just because it's out in a public place. I understand things may be tough, I've spent way more than I should on my own projects and I can openly say a lot of stuff is shit there too and development is slow, expensive and I some times wonder if someone's getting paid to sabotage/delay it. But when registered users ask me "WHEN GAME", "WHEN LAUNCH", "LOL THIS IS A RUGPULL" or "THERE'S PROBABLY NO GAME", I don't go all aggro on them and tell them they should be the ones funding it or not to say things in public and keep it on the downlow.
Please re-read carefully what it is you're saying, this isn't the first time I read you telling people not to say things in public and to keep it in dm's when it isn't even that bad of a comment or argument (like taraz' question about what spendhbd is doing). Kinda weird considering 3speak stands for free speech.
Who are you referring to that's gotten downvoted for having an influence outside? I mentioned this example in the post on purpose cause all I've seen have been quite literal leeches feeding off of xeldal&trail autovotes for years while providing nothing of value to hive, if you think it was wrong to lower the rewards a bit on those, I don't know why we have downvote mana in the first place. Although I'm guessing you're referring to finallycrypto or whatever her name was that got chased off by bernie and no one wanted to counter the downvotes cause she instantly went on the attack.
U can say what u want publicly for sure. Just looks strange being in such an u influential postion on the chain while being critical and not offering to provide resources to a project that is open source, is a public utility here for all users and is paid for at great personal expense by ppl trying their best, from their own pockets.
Why don’t u write me about the videos not playing for example before commenting? If u see they aren’t playing, just dm me and I’ll let u know the status of the bug if im aware of it. That way ur onchain comment would have been very different.
Regards to DV’s and creators on the platform, I’m referring to almost every major creator. Almost all were downvoted until they left. They are all now gone from hive which is supposed to be a content creation blockchain.
There are no big creators on hive. That’s our fault collectively, and abusive, unecessary downvotes are a huge part of this problem.
Regards to the situation where ppl float the idea of DVs for content that is rewarding ppl for spending hbd, yes. If our own downvotes happy whales decide to start downvoting content that is rewarding ppl for buying hbd and pumping money into the ecosystem system while hive pays out a fraction of those inflows as a reward to the user, I would consider this a hugely bearish thing for hive and I think it would essentially be a disaster. There is a growing hbd economy on hive due to this initiative and hundreds of onboarded businesses all over the world. HBD is second to none in terms of stable coins and a coupe whales doing a DV campaign might be interpreted as an attack on that economy and on hive itself, as the result would be a huge down sizing of the hbd economy.
Maybe you took my comment personal. I was speaking more broadly in general. I wasn’t meaning in terms of your specific post or of something you were doing.
My comment was my thoughts as I read your post.
Sorry if it came off as pointing a finger. Wasn’t intended that way.
Mostly I just see hive as a bit stuck in what it was and would love a sea change in perspective and turning of focus to what we could be.
As to the spendhbd,
I think this is an innovative way to use hive. I see spendhbd in its first iteration, and surely it will get refined, but as a vehicle for buying hbd, spending hbd and the potential of advertisement and value gained by the business that accepts hbd… this is the exact kind of innovation hive needs.
Anything that gets people, buying, selling, moving, accepting hive and HBD is a win for the ecosystem.
Even if the post is not proof of brain
Sure, maybe I wasn't clear in the post, I'm mainly talking about attention and the posts that get rewarded regardless of it. Don't wanna drop usernames here but it's probably easy to find many where all the authors do is drop 1-2 posts daily and get free votes all day every day without a care if they're actually deserving them.
Spendhbd is innovative and new and will most likely get refined, but it's not about attention cause not many wanna look at such posts on a daily basis. They have their own usecases and curators can evolve the way they curate them based on different criterias, like how we curate reddit shares based on their own thing and not based on attention.
It's the "downvotes" comment that's kind of triggering, as if people are going around downvoting any legitimate attempts to use the rewards pool for something new/innovative.
Agree 100% on that one:
Agree on the "Hive known mainly as blogging / social site" - I try to explain it as a great chain and not focus too much on that social part.
Thanks for this information content. It has brought to light what curators are looking out for.
For me, I always thought being consistent was the most important thing on hive, and I'm surprised you mentioned it's not about consistently posting.
I'm certain I put in much effort on hive, I engage with others, create content, and engage in anything that can help promote hive.
I may just be a few months on hive, but I think I've tried my best to stay active and support hive projects in my own little way.
I'm also open to learning and improving to add more value to the chain. Honestly, I have never been in any unique platform like hive, so I'm here to build for a long term.
Consistently posting is important if you wanna do good, but there are some who only do Consistent posting to maximize the rewards they take out and ignore the rest.
Okay, I get the point now. Taking, but not giving in return.
yes, I've been looking at the top 100 monthly authors from @dalz' reports and some of them really make me wonder how they're getting rewarded so much, when there's others doing a lot more and actually getting engagement on their posts.
Yet if you dare to downvote them slightly to adjust the rewards you're seen as the bad person when all you're doing is trying to make the place fairer.
No matter what you do, even if it's for a good course, people would always see the bad side, especially if it affects them personally.
Just keep up with doing good and protecting hive. I think it should be everyone's obligation.
Very interesting honestly, once l get a little more traction l will be making a community that will have contests where l can give whatever l earned back to them. For me its important to support small creators like me that have valuable content and those who actually put in effort.
And l do want to thank you @acidyo for all your support!
Thanks for sharing
You touched on some crucial issues, my friend. I remember that this bothered me a lot on Hive a few years ago, but nowadays I think I've let go of the hope that it will be different, even though I've honestly seen more interaction and engagement than a few years ago. Of course, there is a kind of blindness where everyone is more concerned with posting or collecting curators instead of actually connecting with the community, but I'm not sure who to blame for that. Even though I'm interested in connecting with the community, participating more actively, and meeting people who have "made it on Hive" to learn more, I find it difficult to do so because Hive seems to be a bit of a maze, without a clear direction, and it's up to each person to find their own way or be lucky enough to find a "mentor" to guide them.
I've been part of this thing for years and it is one of my main online homes. I've had blogs and been on other platforms, but I get more engagement here. Not all of it feels genuine, but there's enough to keep me happy. I've created a few communities. Those may not be busy, but they give places for specific interests. I've been one of the most active commenters, but may not have as much time for that now.
You know I've had some less pleasant experiences here, but I couldn't leave.
I interact with many communities on Hive and try to produce content daily. These are the things I do as a regular Hive user.
In addition, I host a voice chat that you've joined a few times. I do this every Friday evening at 6 PM UTC on the official Ecency Discord server. Maybe some people here will see it and want to join. This voice chat can be educational for new users. It also allows users to communicate with each other. The topic changes every week, but it's usually Hive-related. Every Thursday, I share an announcement about that week's topic.
I manage the Hive Turkey community and try to guide Turkish users when they join Hive and set an example. Soon, I will start inviting Turkish users to Hive. I am developing ideas on how to do this.
I am a curator in many projects on Hive like @topcomment project.
I used to manage a Power Up day for Turkish users, but as the number of participants decreased, I decided it wasn't worth continuing and stopped.
I try to be as active as possible on Hive, giving people nice feedback on their posts.
Boomer posting, and weekly Hive buys!
I do what I can, but surely I could do more. Without a few of the current issues, we could use Hive much more efficiently. What I do here would be far easier - sometimes it feels like trying to drive nails into wood without a hammer. The lack of options for front-end modifications, the absence of straightforward ways to implement smart contracts or Layer 2 coins - these are only few of real limitations.
Still, I try my best with what we have. But when reality hits and feedback comes in, that’s when I truly realise the scale of the challenges ahead - we’ve got mountains to climb.
No one said it was going to be easy.
My contribution on the chain since I've joined it back in 2017 is that I've held to my Hive assets and exchange all those STEEM to it. I barely sold anything.
Next is that I try to be quite present here and engaging through both long form content and also short form content.
Third is through some attempts of starting some projects like RealTimeHive (https://www.realtimehive.com/) using existing code base. This I need to reshape it based on my vision.
Fourth is that I am about to start a new project here, somehow oriented on art aspect. This is already in motion, but I still need to put sort out some aspects of it.
The last few months I've put more time and effort into curating and engaging on other posts, rather than just posting.
An interesting thought based on your post. Would you consider buying into, and supporting, games on Hive as bringing value to the chain? There are people in Splinterlands bringing in a lot of money to the ecosystem, but not necessarily buying hive or spending time posting and engaging here. I'm not sure if that would be considered adding value.
If yes to the above, that's probably the main thing I've done...buying SPL assets and buying a decent amount of hive tokens. Sadly, I can't say that I've done much else to bring value to the chain.
I think engaging matters.
Sure, that's one way to bring value to the chain as well, especially if the games care about being on hive and know what makes it special and give back to it by marketing to their players why they should also use the social layer of hive.
That seems to be a missing component of the games on Hive. I've seen players marketing hive within the communities (Azircon, for example), but not necessarily the games themselves.
I like to comment regularly on users I follow and appreciate, when I'm out of time like on holidays, I still want to support, dropping upvotes without commenting... I like to support a new promising user every month with the pizza contest and spread hive links with posh, showing in web2 that here they can find things they won't in other places
When voting i do however a small check on KE, if a user has like 10-20 and every single hive goes on binance then I don't like to vote for it
I post 1-2 times a month but I comment every day. I love to chat on Hive. I also buy HIVE, my KE is 0.06 and I want to get it to 0.0006, I want to buy 1/500 of Hive.
1 million hive? When's your target goal? I remember you say this often but most transactions point to the opposite.
I wonder what transactions I have that say otherwise? I have 50k HBD in 3 accounts and I'm expecting a price of $0.06 per HIVE.
damn that seems scary low. If you don't mind me asking what makes you believe that Hive will go to such a low? I am in the opposite boat. I hope that 1 Hive will be worth at least 5 dollars. But I have only a wishful thinking to support this.
Altcoins correct 80 to 90% when the bull market ends, so it depends from what level... To reverse engineer what Yuri says if we take 30 cent Hive at the average top of the bull market and divide 0.06 by .2 which is right along the lines of the 80% drop assumption then we get 30 cents for the average top of the bull market. Or in other words 30 cents * .2 = 6 cents
Because when the bear market comes, altcoins like HIVE will make a correction 2-3 times bigger than Bitcoin.
it's not like I did a deep dive or anything, just saw an outgoing tx from your bank account.
Many keep saying they'll buy in once it hits a target goal but highly doubt it'll go that low. While you're waiting others may earn 10-20% inflation and who knows how high hive can go compared to it dropping that much lower. But you do you, just seems like you say that a lot to the point where i remember you saying it a lot.
I have seen altcoins perform for years. I trade on the exchange daily. I know that when the markets start to fall (and they will), HIVE will not start to rise against the market.
I would also like to see HIVE grow continuously, but there is no reason for that yet. There will probably be some more growth in this bull market. It is very likely that there will be a good one-day pump. But I do not see organic growth of the token right now.
I'm hopeful that with hivefest and an upcoming fork we may see a little bit of action and excitement return to the chain and coin.
There is a fork coming? That would be interesting to see, I have not seen what happens with witnesses during fork time!
A million HIVE is an awesome goal, I will get there some day...
Great job on your KE score of 0.06 you are definitely the kind of investor / user I think we should want to be on HIVE.
I do have to mention that this extremely good KE score does indicate one thing: not very much content creation on your part and you openly admitted that that you post just once or twice a month. Still I would rather have users like you on Hive than those with KE scores of 4+ that simply take all the rewards they receive for posting.
Thank you for your objective assessment of the situation in the Hive blockchain. I also believe that Hive needs more investors, not thousands of successful authors selling millions of HIVE on exchanges.
Agreed, though the best thing would be lots of successful authors that are attracting attention and investors to Hive blockchain and believe enough in Hive that they are keeping at least half of their rewards and are growing their stake.
Are you aware of how easy it is to cheat KE? You're really putting a lot of weight on it by the looks of your comments.
If people are placing value on Hive it doesn't matter what they do with the rewards they get. What if some small users are actively bringing 10s of new users to hive on a weekly basis while others are just minding their own business trading votes and centralizing distribution to get a bigger and bigger pie of inflation but keeping their KE looking "clean", are you going to favor them over those actually bringing value to the chain? Then one day they unstake everything and after 3 months they're gone, are you gonna feel like you've done a good job spending thousands of votes on those users over others?
This example isn't directed at "you" personally, but people with the mentality that KE is that important and we should just starve everyone else while favoring those keeping the stake they own. It goes against proof of brain in and of itself as well.
How do you cheat KE? The only way I know that you can cheat KE is to buy Hive and stake it :)
Sending beneficiaries to another account, then powering those up, this won't count as you having earned it on the account you trying to improve your KE on. Powering down witness rewards and powering those up on the account you want to improve your KE on, etc. Delegating your HP away so you don't earn curation rewards but liquid hive instead. Probably some more ways.
That makes sense, thank you.
HP inflation as well.
Just trying to say that it's not all black and white, someone could be selling all their hive to fund a project that takes us 200 mcaps higher, someone could be selling to ride other coins to the top to buy 50x more hive later, for people to judge them solely on KE is absurd.
Sorry what is KE on Hive first time I'm hearing this.
It's a number that compares what you earned and what you have staked, the higher the number the more of a "value extractor" someone is. There is no official guideline of what is too much but I would say everything above 3 starts to get a bit on the high side.
You can check it here (https://beebalanced.streamlit.app/)
You are at 0.95 which is great! Basically, what it comes down to is that right now, there is just way too much free lunch on Hive and many are only really posting, getting curated and cashing everything out. If everyone who curated took KE as a factor into consideration, Hive would likely be much better off as that gives actual incentives for users to buy hive and take care of what they actually contibute.
I see I don't really understand but to simplify it I stake more than I cash out I think this is what you mean.
My method of cashing out is half I stake another half I put HBD savings when I have problems in the real world then I cash out I believe I cash out 3 times now but I didn't expect 0.95 ratio higher than I thought.
Thank you for the explanation
This is going to take some time to digest. I still have a lot to learn.
https://ecency.com/hive-180505/@azircon/ke-ratio-a-personal-perspective
Thank you just finish reading it. Quite a lot to digest to be honest especially in the comment section 😂😂😂
You've got me inspired and here it is, a project in the making on the Hive blockchain - https://peakd.com/hive-132259/@thelostmemories/the-lost-memories-a-project-in-the-making-on-the-hive-blockchain-bkd.
A project initiated by @behiver.
This is such an important reminder, really. Hive thrives when people actively connect, not just when content is posted..
Ever since I onboarded here I've been thinking about questions related to what you asked. I think that the Hive ecosystem would be a very good place to start a business (in whatever shape or form), because of the mature tokenomics, the good liquidity for HIVE, the solid tech and of course, the loyal core userbase.
However, it seems many "businesses" running on Hive mostly circle around accessing part of the inflation, mostly via curation (or delegation to curators of course). So the curators are the ones actually directing to whom the inflation is being paid out and therefore who is deemed the most valuable to the chain. I guess by now I can already tell myself that this relationship is mostly very loose.
So I continue to wonder how more value can actually be pumped into the ecosystem rather than extracted from it by receiving HIVE from inflation and selling it, because this would have the potential of pushing the price up long-term.
Currently nothing 😂
!PIZZA
at least you're engaging while sending out tokens :p
Im so immersed on hive, like communities and other things. Probably posting is not my full active part in here. Well I could list everything but it would be very lengthy and boring for most of the people to read 🤣
In spite of life getting in the way, I try to curate towards using 20% of my vote power that recharges daily. If I upvote something, it's because I actually read it. I don't always comment, but I do from time to time if I want to argue a point, support a position, or see an opportunity for a pun.
I do what I can when time allows. For example, I try to curate the general stream so that I am not just curating people I follow. I comment on posts that seem like they merit a conversation. I delegate to projects. Obviously, I write blog posts, but they generally don't get much in rewards or interaction. So, I basically write for my own satisfaction. When I do get comments, they don't offer much in terms of discussion. I'm not salty about it. This is just the reality. What brings me back daily is the sense of belonging to something combined with the sense that I co-own the blockchain with all the other content creators. It's like living in a condominium. Some neighbors are highly visible while others are barely seen.
I have joined Hive recently on March, I am still exploring this platform. There are many things I still don't know about but I have found some servers on Hive where they help out newcomers like me and I am glad to be a part of it. I have made some friends on Hive and before my communication skills was really bad because this is the first platform where I started to engage in others content. I have never done these things before so it was very new for me. In other web2 platforms if you pass a comment others will tear you down like you can't have your own opinion you gotta go with the flow otherwise people will bully you, so I came from that kind of place and when I joined Hive I realized it's a different kind of platform where you can give your opinion freely and people are accepting it positively. I can't say if I ever got any bad reaction from anyone. So, it took me time to realize and start communicating with people. I am still not that good at it but I am trying my best to contribute as much as I can. I am not that popular on social media but I always try to promote Hive on other web2 platforms. I get your point it's true that we should also try to give as much as we receive and I 100% agree with everything you have said. I also believe Hive thrives when we focus on value beyond just content creation. your post has inspired me again. Thanks a lot 🌷
Currently, I only contribute my desire to grow and my perseverance when it comes to creating content. I try to create original content and I'm contributing everything I generate to grow my HP. Because I trust Hive and I know that in the future my effort will be worth it. Even if it's small, my small contribution is of great value to me.
I just post my holozing fanart on my facebook wall, every now and then there are curious friends asking what is holozing.
I find this introspective analysis you invite us to excellent.
In my particular case, I first value the real possibility of creating positive and growing relationships in a community where one gets to know other people and, through shared support, build new networks that enable the growth of new members.
I also greatly value those who contribute knowledge, reflections that mobilize thought, and the artists who gift us with their works, regardless of the art form.
I am very grateful, in my case, for the way the art I offer has been received, and, whenever the internet connection in my country allows, I try to encourage support for others.
Hugs of light to all!
I know I am not the gold standard, or even close, but I do try to be active daily and engage with my fellow hivers. I try to write about things that I, myself would want to read or see. its all good. :)
I try my very best to meet a target, I have at least 6 to 7 people I try to constantly engage with their posts, they've become friends of mine. I did miss a day or two because of a busy schedule but I being engagement with posts here is a nice contribution, wish i was smart enough to build anything, like a project or something but I' do whatever I can to engage
Greetings friend, your question is very interesting, right now I am not very active because I faced my adulthood and I have to help in home expenses and I am working and I have neglected a little I did, I will soon start studying and I think that Hive can help me with my studies because I will not be able to have a full -time job. I can dedicate myself to Hive and do what I always did. Try to make quality and original content about game. Support my colleagues in Hive to continue growing. I feel that when I create quality content, original and about things that I like I am contributing something. When I interact with other users regardless whether they support me or I don't feel that I am contributing to something. In Hive I have found very valuable content, I have learned, I have known users and I have even made new friends. I think Hive has given me more than me to Hive.
I would like to offer more, but I have real life obligations that I have to attend. If at any time I could get in Hive a real livelihood I would keep Hive, but not only creating content, I want to go further. Soon I will be starting my university career in computer science and I thought that will help me a lot to be in Hive with another profile. It is great to be able to discover that I will benefit my career and how I can continue in Hive when I am a computer engineer. There is still for that, but within my plans is Hive and continue contributing the best of me to this platform that has taught me so much.
I believe that everyone has their contribution, no matter how small it may be, because even if the content is not of interest, it gives movement to the ecosystem. Saludos
I don't post that often. If I can I try to post something that I think is useful. If it isn't useful I tray to make it at least entertaining.
In the near future I'm putting up something really useful - been working on it several years.
Best regards, I hope you're doing well. It's not a strange question, and the answer is very simple. I believe the value I bring to Hive lies in the limited time I have.
I want to create an engaging, highly rated blog, but I need time for that, and right now I can't.
However, whenever I have time, I dedicate myself to creating content for Hive. I try to be original and do it well, and I continue to learn and push myself as much as possible.
So, I dedicate my time to creating my own content and living my own experiences. In addition to investing my time, I contribute to the platform by earning tokens and staking, although I'm still learning.
I help people in dms when they ask a query. If I don't know the answer, I ask a friend and answer them. It's been like that for years. Although, I don't think I should be rewarded more for doing it. I am doing it for hive, if someone is having easier time on hive because of me, I think that's enough for me to know.
Not counting any projects I worked on........
For whom I do all that? Atleast not for anyone particular. I have my own stake here and if hive gets better, it's the digital place where I live. So thanks for anyone who try to make it better.
Good question - not sure if I add value, some might say I add, some might say the opposite. Times changed a bit - I try to post regulary and curate not only by autovotes.
In the early days I create some tags in music and photography and handled some contests but after we found cheaters I stopped that. I created the @music-community on Hive and at least try to be active and curate. However there could be more I have to confess - it is a time issue these days.
In total I try to be nice and engage, welcome newbies and not flag people part they really scam / spam and steal stuff.
Outside Hive I tried to create content about the chain and general web3 topics to educate others (mainly LinkedIn / Twitter).
From my old network I tried to bring over people, some are still here like @detlev @papilloncharity @melinda010100 - some left immediately.
#TSUFAMILY :) some are still here maybe not daily active due to irl stuff
true like @tengolotodo - had some talks on Facebook with Ron Callari and Duro interestingly - some other former tsu folks are pretty radical these days what I read.
@brumest , @ewkaw are still curating here but @dswigle seems to come and go , then there sitll is @tattoodjay who is still active .
I haven't been on FB myself since a couple of years i removed my account somewhere in 2018 i think .
true - think @enginewitty also was on Tsu right?
Was being the key word 😁
which was "key" as a word?
Absolutely none apparently. Oh yes I have seen some tsu folks on facebook recently.
I don't think 100% of my posts are valuable to everyone, but I have a fair number that are. The rest I just do mostly for myself. I enjoy writing and I like sharing my experience.
Posting about stuff that's not related to the chain(ex vacations and such). Just stuff people can relate with rather than seeing a lot of "eyyy how do i make dis chain better".
I think the real value on HIVE comes from building connections and supporting each other.
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Good morning sir @acidyo, please 🥺 I need your help with an issue that concerns my Hive account @mikelboy, please 🥺 I know you are the right person that would help me out please 🥺.
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Okay sir, please send me a link sir
i thought this was regarding account recovery, but i see previous discussions it's about downvotes, I can't help you there
Okay sir, thank you sir.
Generally, this question comes to the mind of every conscious and intentional ageing individual. The question of "value."
Though I joined hive this September. I hope to grow, learn, and understand this platform so as to add value to this ecosystem. I enjoy this platform, and it opens my mind to new things. Therefore, as well as learning new things, I will also bring great innovation to this platform
what do i bring to the chain ..
I'try to show people some nature with my photography , do some curating for ecency at the moment , have done curating for Qurator in the past on st...t , repord every retard i see cheating to HW hoping the chain gets better in the end .
Quite accurate post, i hope i was not your inspiration.
Still i am unsure if even the early adopters really are aware of what is just flat content or not.
Autovoters don't care, I have many of them so I could technically abuse it but often I go days without posting or even weeks. I'd be happy if they checked on their votes once a year, for better or worse for myself, just wish they'd reorganise them based on what deserves the votes other than "are they actively posting so I don't sit at 100% voting power losing inflation".
Wouldn’t it be possible to make autovoting not permanent? I mean, so that it has to be renewed (confirmed) manually. I also use autovoting a little, just so I don’t miss my favorite content creators. But even my list is changing right now — I’m constantly looking for new or “new old” writers.
By the way, maybe you could recommend someone? My tastes are really varied… 🙂
You can not regulate how auto voting works. If for example hive.vote would stop you could simply write a script to do the autovoting. There is currently no way to prevent or regulate it.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that…