bot
bot is short for robot.
robot derives from Czech language; robota means 'work'.
(Rabota meaning work/labor in most (all?) slavic languages btw)
A robot is a machine that does work.
@wang
Most readers have probably never heard of @wang.
In Hive's (Steem back then) early days, it was the first bot users encountered.
Whenever someone made their first post using #introduceyourself as tag, @wang would automatically comment and also vote for the post.
Things worked differently then, and voting a post before all others could generate huge curation rewards.
That way, @wang made 1 mio Steempower.
@wang deserves their own post, but for now:
@wang got downvoted heavily and was also one of the first accounts to get completely nuked and ended up with a negative reputation.
Since @wang, there was a silent agreement not to spam automated comments.
@hivebuzz
@arcange never cared and created @steemitboard, which is now called @hivebuzz.
@hivebuzz just spams all sorts of comments all the time.
To me this is just spam with a slightly more sophisticated method than @wang.
I had to tell @arcange's bot about 4x times to stop!!! until it now finally leaves me alone.
Personally, I think rules should apply to everyone, but apparently you just have to be blunt about it and then you can get away with it on Hive.
I think it's unfair.
Nonetheless, I see how well it all worked out for @arcange (and others - just taking him as the most prominent example) and since rules only apply to weak accounts, I am thinking about botting my own stuff here
governance expiration notification
Soon a lot of governance votes will expire.
It is quite easy for me to create a bot that notifies everyone, whos governance votes are about to expire and spam them with a message like:
Hello! Your governance votes will expire on xx/xx/2022 at xx/xx.
Just cast a new governance vote to prevent this!
While you are at it, please consider voting for @felixxx witness.
Much peace and harmony, I love you ❤️
@felixxx
Peace
But, I have principles and it feels kind of stupid.
I am sure it would work well, though.
Value
The above described service would actually be valuable for some people.
Just the other day I informed a friend about how his votes would expire soon and he actually wasn't aware at all.
I have created comment and posting bots before.
The most infamous example was, when I created a bot, which would inform people about how often they had used #introduceyourself. Some had used it 100 times.
To me, using that tag more than once only blocks it for actually new people here.
I consider it reward farming and again: rules should apply to everyone.
...
You wouldn't believe how much hate I got for it.
I was even personally confronted about it at Steemfest.
So I decided policing content like that wasn't worth it for me.
Today, I think a bot like that would be worth the effort and it would probably help my witness campaign a lot. Even better: I could automate a post every week to #tag and mention these people. Farming rewards like @quochuy.
Should I stick to my principles or should I just start botting?
Should I bot or should I not?
Let me know in the comments, what you think of it.
There is nothing more wrong. The very first notification from @steemitboard can be seen here and you'll find that it already contains the option to opt-out. It's been my concern from the start of the project.
Yes, @hivebuzz comments clearly explain how to turn off notifications, not
stop!!!butSTOP, nothing more.Here are your 4 requests: [1] [2] [3] [4]
The 4th one was written correctly and notifications were turned off.
Bots are dumb, you being a bot developer you should know and understand that.
What rules? Unless they are hard-coded, everyone has their own perception of "THE RULES", which may even vary from time to time. So to say that "the rules" is a very subjective and changing concept.
To ask the question is to answer it. Who better than you knows ;)
I made the same bot as yours, way before you, but didn't get far, because I was still learning.
Not saying you stole my idea, but see how easy it would have been:
https://peakd.com/@normaluser/comments
you needed to ask my bot instead of the bot spreading unsolicited comments
I didn't make a bot! I created a whole gamification project around blockchain activity and the notification system is only a small part of it.
Contrary to what you are implying, I in no way copied the idea of your bot. I Initiated my project long before your bot made its first comment.
It was initially launched on the Golos blockchain, the Russian counterpart of Steem.
If you want to see a funny picture, here is a mockup of the Goloboard website:
Yes, the style of the badges is very ... "Russian".
The Golosboard official announcement was published at the very beginning of January 2017, that is days before your first bot's comment. But it was a project with several months of preparation behind it. Unfortunately, Golos is dead and many images are missing in the above-mentioned post. It was subsequently redesigned to have a common graphic charter with Steem.
Needless to say that the notifications were already an integral part of the project from its inception and the main reason for its success, on both platforms.
So I could, if I wanted to be mean, return the idea-grabber's compliment to you. But, hey, we're not here to have such a contest.
You don't like its notifications, it's your right and that of other users. But you all have the ability to stop getting them by opting out. I even think that the @hivebuzz bot is the only one offering such an option. But I might be wrong.
And as a last resort, you can simply mute the @hivebuzz account. This blockchain is so cool ;)
I never implied you stole my idea, because I explicitly wrote:
If you want to be thourough: @elyaque's badges themselves had been first published weeks before my bot went live. It is I who could have been mean, and still could because it is funny how touchy you are on the subject, but...
I wanted to show you, how you could have made a service you have to opt in instead one that spams everybody, easily. And that is what I wrote.
If you read my post: I was complaining about how you never cared about the silent agreement not to spam bot comments. And that you got really successful with something I thought was at least frowned upon.
OK, from here I start philosophizing a bit, so don't get me wrong.
From a semantic point of view, to say that you are not saying something is to say it anyway.
I'm not saying you are an idiot but may I ask you how you feel after reading the beginning of this sentence? 😉
I had perfectly read and understood what you wrote and what you consider as "being touchy" on my part is more a desire for sharing information than a defensive response.
Your comment was more about the (bot) notifications than the badges, but my goal was to provide you with a global picture of the (now) Hivebuzz project.
As far as elyaque is concerned, I know very well what he did and when he did it. My project was already in progress but not yet finished and he did indeed take me short of a few weeks. When great minds meet...
Everyone creates their own reality, including me, based on the information they have. Hence the interest in sharing these so that everyone can broaden their horizon.
End of philosophizing
Merry Christmas to you 🎅
The best part: @hivebuzz replied to me again under this post.
Oh, the irony.
Yeah, I saw it =)
It's both ironic and deliberately programmed.
Someone on the platform loves you enough to give you a badge. Why should I deprive you of this unexpected good news?
Do you want me de add a 'STOP-ALL' opt-out option? 😅
It's all good.
I respect you much more after this conversation and I have been unfair.
Just for the record:
Back then, I would have not been able to create a website or a reliable bot, anyways.
I have since advanced my skills and today, I would beat you to it :P
Me neither. I cut my teeth in the field. So we kind of started on the same line.
Catch me if you can!
I created a bot that checks for some mis-typed tags. It was just for fun really, but people seem to appreciate getting told about their mistake. I restricted it so each person only gets told once, so it's not generating too much traffic.
We don't have ways to reach all users apart from via comments or transfer memos, so there could be applications where it's going to warn them of stuff they may be doing wrong or reminding them how they could be doing good. Some people just won't know much about how Hive works, so hints can be useful. Just have to get the balance right so it doesn't get annoying. I know some bots have a STOP option. It ought to be possible to opt out.
Of all people making auto posts, you single out @quochuy? I personally am sick of auto posts, but at least his is only once a week and he actually limits how many votes it can get (I believe $40, which he gets half). He also does a ton of development for the chain. None of the other auto posters do any one of these.
There recently have been auto posts posted daily reaching as high as $160. A few users posting 5 auto posts a day back to back while. Most of these people are no where to be found 99.5% of the time.
While I am all for going after auto posts, in fact I have been if you notice my votes, you picked the worst example possible.
Judging by history, seems like it is more personal.
tbh, he was the only one I am aware of at this scale.
Even though my witness had been (properly) disabled for 2+ years, I got mentioned weekly and then he edited that post like 8 times in a day, resulting in like 16 hivemind notifications in one day, just for me.
With all the mentions in that post that's some 100s of notifications sent and that is spam.
His reaction when I asked him to stop mentioning me was real bullshit, so I downvoted his posts and he just downvoted me in revenge. So yeah: it's personal.
I think he gets rewarded plenty and the post is just an excuse to get more.
There is a proposal fund and he got good chances to just be rewarded there.
If he'd not get enough rewards and recognition for his work on condenser, I'd support his posts, but in his case I think it's enough and he'd have other means of getting paid.
The posting rewards are for posts.
Also, I have seen people get threatened with heavy downvotes for mentioning less people than him. I think it is real unfair how some are allowed to do it, while others are not.
...at least he had enough humor to upvote my post about him, where I mentioned him exclusively in my compilation of data about witnesses mentioning me the most.
Try flagging curangel or ocd lovesniper auto posts. See how that works out for you.
What OCD Love Sniper auto posts do you think should be flagged?
Do you mean the comments we drop on first posts by new people? Because there's a team of us that do all the commenting manually.
Do you mean the Love Sniper Intro Post Curation posts? Because the team members are set as beneficiaries of those, so we get a bit of a reward for all the hours we put in each week.
I'm curious because you're talking about a way to help new users, which is the aim of Love Sniper (pun intended), yet you think the project should be flagged? Not sure how that works...
That's not what posting rewards are for.
I put in hours every week for 5+ years now, voting with my own stake.
Do I deserve posting rewards for curating?
lovesniper and ocd in general is a way for you and acidyo to make $$, nothing more.
Oh sorry - I didn't realize you made the rules about posting rewards. My bad.
And well done you, doing curation work with your own stake. If I understand this correctly, every time you upvote someone with your own stake, you make 50% if that back, right? So very altruistic of you.
The LS project isn't about upvotes - we're focused on guiding new people to resources to help them navigate the blockchain, as well as verifying (to the best of our ability) that they aren't scammers/spammers/bad actors. I put in hours every week vetting, having conversations on other social media platforms, and walking newcomers through the not-particularly-user-friendly ecosystem.
If I wanted to just make money, I'd follow your lead and do the 1 photo/2 sentences thing for auto votes. But I appreciate the answer - I definitely understand where you're coming from now.
But you do make the rules about posting rewards and that pisses me off.
Who decided that 1 photo/ 2 sentences doesn't deserve rewards?
I am sick of 3 picture / xxx words type of content like you try newbies to force towards.
At least you have powered up some yourself.
Normally the hard working curators farm their guaranteed votes for boring school essay type posts and then cash out.
Not much else to say, though.
Have fun giving out special points for effort, Mrs York.
Mrs York? Wow, that's adorable. Generous and gentlemanly - your mom must be so proud.
But now I'm confused - you make the rules, but you don't make the rules and I do? And not sure what you're talking about, because I actually curate single photo posts, flash/micro fiction stories, even a haiku or two. But I guess it's easier for you to just assume I'm forcing newbies to bend to my will (geez, I feel all powerful now...lmfao).
And since you're so interested in my wallet - back in 2017 I cashed out 10 SBD, just to see if this "magic internet money" could be turned into fiat. Since that time, I've reinvested it about 7 times over (would've been more if I could've afforded it), and haven't ever powered down or cashed any other liquid out.
Not because I'm wealthy - in fact, we're currently behind on our rent & our youngest is buying groceries for the household since my husband has been out of work since February. Things are in the process of getting better though, and while I do plan to cash some out eventually, for the moment I'm just stacking & hodling. Figured I'd mention it so you understand where I'm coming from - Hive is a long term investment to me (well, so much more than that, but to make it simple for this discussion) and I am doing everything I can to make sure that this blockchain achieves the great things I believe it's capable of.
Oh, and I also run a monthly initiative to encourage smaller accounts to power up (where the "special points" are delegations). Again, I'm here for the long haul, which is why I was curious where you (as a Hive Witness) were coming from. I definitely have a clear picture now, so thanks again for that.
Just for the record:
If everybody did what you try here, posting rewards would be distributed by a centralized authority, completely killing the idea of this project.
I liked hivebuzz and I also liked wang.
I think one test of automation is whether or not it annoys people.
Another test might be, is it providing a service for the reader or the poster. hivebuzz encourages the end user, while one you are discussing is kind of "asking" for votes.
Also, I guess they didn't implement the vote decay yet..
It says so in the release notes for hf25 https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/hive/-/releases/v1.25.0rc1
As far as I can tell, they did.
It's part of your account's info.
check hiveblocks
By the way, the bot wouldn't offend me, but it's funny what people get fussy about.
saludos amigo, que pase buen dia
That particular bot you're talking about sounds useful, I had no idea we had vote decay in place already!
Now, I am not too sure anymore, myself.
What's certain: In your accounts info there is a vote expiry date.
Vote decay bot to comment to people whose governance votes are about to expire? Sure.
But, leave @quochuy alone.
Like a PSA bot? It would help it you made a really cool/fun looking bot to go along with the message. Will your bot give gifts? I like the idea of it performing some kind of service.
I had many plans for a friendly bot, until @wang got nuked.
I like gamification stuff - ecencey is doing a good job with that already, though.
Not sure what to do next tbh
There are good bots and bad bots. Nowadays most of the bots are good on Hive. I think that paid voting bots (vote buying and selling) are bad, but as I currently know, these are affected only the Steem blockchain.
Comment bots are OK for me. You can mute them, then they will be at the very bottom of all other comments. So why to rant about them? If the network would be at the transaction limit, that would be another story, but not now.
Just when they are (also automatically) upvoted by the same people or circle jerk friends, then I consider it as abuse.
Yes, make a vote reminder bot. I was not aware that witness votes are expiring. How often do they expire? Yearly?
yearly.
They are not expiring yearly. They are expiring one year after your last governance action (witness vote/unvote, proposal vote/unvote, proxy, ...)
If you regularly review and update your witness votes from time to time or vote for a proposal, they will never expire.
Not a big fan of bots in general, especially ones spamming new users...
For this one I think you should make it optional. Give a command for everybody that makes them Opt-in to the reminder if they want to have it. How much you promote or credit yourself in the reminder is up to you I guess.
Optional is not really an option. (lol)
If they are unaware, how would they know they needed my bot in the first place?
now if we had only some sort of message board integrated into the platform... If you think the net benefit (for the platform) outweighs the spammy nature of your bot and you give an easy way to Opt-out then I guess I don't have much against.
I would use a wallet transfer instead of a comment, anyways.
Good morning friend, if your principles are not to vote for yourself, you should do it, but if you do, I would not see it badly since you work for you. But what you choose will be fine. We continue to support @felixxx as a witness
With number of HP that autovote me, if I wanted to reward farm I’d be posting more than just once a week…
Welcome back to the Witness world.
If you didn't want to reward farm, you could just provide a website with those stats.
Then no one will see them and I’ll have to regularly post about it. The purpose of a regular report is to get people, especially new ones, to know about it and be aware of witnesses.
Well what it actually does is lock people, especially new ones, out of the posting rewards pool.
Worst thing: when I downvoted your shit, you went straight to my blog to downvote me. Fuck you.
Mind your language. I never insulted you.
You think my post is shit but I can’t think yours is? If memory serves, I downvoted the one that was a simple photo with couple of sentences, talk about reward farming…
Fair Enough. Can't really disagree, but for context: I had not posted for months until one day I had enough and decided to use the autovotes I get to support others. I haven't done the math, but I think I am donating all of my posting rewards from 2021 to smaller accounts, who I think deserve more.
I still think you were just revenge-flagging which is another thing that is generally frowned upon, like excessive mentions and automated posts. You get enough rewards one way or the other and should not get away with things others get into trouble for.
About the language: I think actions are more important than words.
I am more insulted by your behavior than I would be about verbal insults.
...but that might just be a cultural misunderstanding.
I'd rather do what's right than mind my language.
Seems like in our way of doing things we think it's right we all did something that isn't totally right...
Revenge-flagging? Yes true, I probably don't react well to insults and threats of flagging all my posts:
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Wow... What an interesting topic to stumble into that seems to be filled with so much tension...
If you have to frame a sentence like that then maybe that isn't a principle of yours or at least one you value as much? You have to clearly define what that is for you and what that means no one can really do that for you. Or perhaps you are looking for approval to do something you were already wanting to do?
@felixxx as someone on here that has been on the receiving end of a rather abusive downvote I would say to take a step back and then ask yourself why you are upset and how is an effective way for goal resolution. To be honest I am not so much for revenge voting as I feel like it undermines what I feel hive's values it is trying to portray, but as individuals we have emotions and are going to result as such.
Also maybe don't take it so personal? Because personally if I was him I would have downvoted you based off your language towards me, but he isn't so it isn't personal at least for him?
Also what is new posting rewards isn't fully about meritocracy or content, but your network and who you choose to surround yourself with and have built relationships with. I can honestly say in this last month I've probably put more hours than a largeee amount of people on this platform which can attributed to all my comments and length and time I put exploring each group because I do see a very bright future for hive if they can work on fixing some fundamental flaws.
I once proposed that lighter weight be put on posts of the same individual so it makes the platform solidify their foundation vs just funds building up top which also makes it less investable as a platform towards institutional investors. And I think it was overlooked... People often like to rub shoulders or go towards what will yield them a greater result and quite short sighted.
Right at the end of the day is a really subjective term and I hope you figure out the right answers for you. Good Luck!
The principle meaning I try to act in a way, that I would like to see others act.
I am at a point where just grabbing every reward I can get and then redistributing it to my liking would be much more efficient than trying to convince people.
When I am talking to a clearly intelligent individual and they try to win the argument by acting like they don't understand the simplest thing, that's my trigger; Usually I might act differently, but today I decided to not hold back.
The posts are to promote his witness and to get rewarded. Acting like profit did not even occur to him is so dishonest it just pisses me off. Same for that lady who acted like she worked for ocd just to make the world better or something. 'May I please ask what bothers you about me giving bread to the poor?' ...being all passive aggressive.
I'd rather get a downvote or get verbally insulted than having to deal with that type of crap.
Then you don't see a contradictory? I mean you can't say it is in my principle against this type of bot reward metric and then choose to join? But who says that it has to be a principle is against botting, but simply just treating people how you'd want to be treated hence you aren't going against your principles.
I'm rather confused I mean truth be told I don't know any of you nor care cause I'd still speak out my feelings regardless, but seems he addressed them. I think the issue is a lot of people try to turn things to arguments, but it should be more directed at clarity seeking and mutual understanding.
When I read his replies though it didn't sound as if profit didn't occur to him, but he stated if he wanted to purely farm he would have just posted more for the autovotes? I'm not gonna respond to that lady post, but yeah I've dealt with some of the same things and I dislike passive aggressive types also, that uses service as a front. How about just not dealing with it and muting such individuals? lol
If I had joined in (and that was years ago), I could have had a lot more funds today, generating more leverage to achieve what I am trying. I don't want to be the guy critizising everybody else, while making no moves myself.
There is a contradiction alright; I just wanted to articulate the question and maybe get some answers in the comments, but I just ended up causing all sorts of trouble.
Reframe your thoughts then and don't see it as a principle thing you are breaking. That is where a firm belief comes from (Not saying you don't have one), but your principles seem to want to derive from a collective meritocracy standpoint (which is admirable) so do it and show people what your version of that looks like instead of disagreeing with how someone else achieves that...
Actually having this conversation has helped me... because I actually refrained from doing giveaways a lot and talking about strategies and gameplay, because I didn't want to influence prices. Now I am going to do it but at scale. I'm not even going to be doing it from bots but through relentless post of adding value to different communities and figuring out how to balance it all.
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So you think I'm passive aggressive & using OCD as some sort of front, @infinitytcg? What does that imply about your feelings on OCD as a whole? I'm especially curious, given your recent activity in the Discord server...
And after our past interactions, that you'd refer to me as "that lady" is especially disheartening.
No... @traciyork I think you misinterpreted my message. I have nothing but positive vibes from you and the initiatives I've seen. I just didn't want to respond to that part of his statements.
I'm just trying to relate to the author to express I understand his feelings and have dealt with such characters not that you are. I'd gladly reword that statement and you can pm me in discord how it should be written if you feel it gives people that vibe. I don't really filter and I'm not as articulated as others so I normally just type out my thoughts and feelings as such.
To be honest I'm quite new to OCD and just discovered it recently and gave it more thought after acidyo's initiative on gods unchained community.
I am or try to be active across all communities I take part in so I can figure out how to fit or correspond them to my future plans/teams and deciding on which to support moving forward.
Well I didn't want to write your name in such a dark topic as it probably then would associate you to my next comment? But I guess I could have as clarification, but I was just quoting the author by stating it in that way.
I think often times many could follow what stephen convey explains in his book "7 habits of highly people" In which he states seek first to understand, then to be understood.
I'm sorry if you felt that the comment was directed at you or I meant any offense. I don't refer to people as that guy or that lady but by their names nor am I the type to say anything behind someone's back without having had already said it to their face or public as that is just not in my character.
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Also I prefer smaller answers, so I can reply to one point not being forced to write a fckn novel just to get though all points being made at once 😂
LOLLLLL sorry read this after... You can't tell me not to novel and novel back ... it's a trap
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