For a long time I've upvoted (top level) comments left on my posts with varying vote percentages from around 5% to 100% which for me is over $3.00; a small thank you for the commenter taking the time to leave a response. I also reply and often there's a further exchange of commenting which is one of the aspects of this platform I like the most.
There's comments I don't upvote or reply to but I'm happy to say that mostly people comment with a reasonable degree of effort and interest which I reward. I know a few others do it as well but many do not, or they have extracted any rewards/funds they have earned to the point that their vote has little to no monetary value to bestow upon others. Greedy fucks.
I get ridiculous comments like "nice" and "keep going boss," and of course there's those that simply paraphrase my own post back to me - senseless cunts.
I also get people calling up those worthless shit-tokens on my posts now and then which I see as nothing more than them throwing garbage onto my post comment feed; it's worthless trash and quite childish, especially when one considers that it's adults calling them up. I treat the aforementioned comments commensurate to their worth by ignoring them and I think I'll start downvoting them as well.
In the main however, I get a good number of reasonable comments even though some people are beginning to get quite repetitive with their commenting which can be boring; you know who you are if this is you.
I was thinking about comments left for me generally wondering how commenting left on my posts would alter should I issue a $1 upvote to every single (top level) comment left rather than apportioning the upvote-value based on the quality, interest and relevance of the comment.
Would more people comment and would people comment more often? Would the quality of comments be greater or lesser? Would I get comments from people who have previously not commented? Would people seek to take advantage of my largesse? (Google that last word if you don't know it.)
Before I run an experiment to seek answers I thought I'd put it out to you folks and see what your thoughts might be on the matter.
What do you think would happen and why? Would people's behaviours alter, would it gain me followers and if so what quality of follower do you feel it would bring, would they be there for the right reason? Do you see set-value comment voting as something that would work in my favour or against me, would it help the blockchain or not? Should people need a $1 comment upvote as motivation to comment with greater effort and interest? Hmm, I wonder.
Answer the questions above as you like (in the comments below) and comment generally if you'd like to as well. I'm interested in your response and thoughts to the above and I'll contemplate and evaluate the legitimacy of just such an experiment based on what I read from you folks and any conversations that ensue.
Design and create your ideal life, tomorrow isn't promised - galenkp
[Original and AI free]
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I want a dollar.
I think you would get more comments, no wait, I KNOW you would! We've seen that happen before where people that still don't care will comment where there is indiscriminate generosity of votes. I think a very few lame commentors would indeed up their comment game, while the others would just tack on another lame sentence to what they normally squat and drop. LOL.... I'm just not sure how many more comments you would get that are the kind you like. Maybe you do an experiment for a month without announcing it on every post and see what happens.
You say you don't like the fun coins? I've questioned the value myself. One time way back someone gave me a link or something where you might be able to trade some for hive or buy hive with their value or something like that. It's been so long I forgot what it was and who told me.
What about some poker chips? Would you like some poker chips? I can give you some of those. I mean, they are worth the same as the other coins.
I am already a recipient of your largesse and it doesn't go unnoticed. Of course for me, I realize it's just because I'm such a fun girl. 🤣
How about a dollar's worth of advice?
I hate that trash. Fun? Not fun, not valid, not cute, not acceptable in my communities so when they pop up i mute them across my communities so they don't pop up again. It's not so much the "coin" itself, it's those fucken comments that auto-drop onto my posts. Garbage.
As for the experiment...it'll not be happening. The experiment was this post to see what people thought of the idea and I was a little surprised to see some talking up the merits of upvoting shite comments. That truly surprised me, as did those mentioning it. There is loads of commenting though, and I had a fun comment thread with @meesterboom which went on far too long in true boomy/me style but it was fun.
I am happy with how I vote on comments and won't be changing other than to vote up the good people, those I have established relationships with, more when their comments are worthy of more.
Re: poker chips...can I cash them in for fucken coffee and donuts?
Advice is supposed to be free!
No... no coffee and donuts for poker chips unless you won some in a casino and these aren't them. That's just how I see the other coins, like my plastic poker chips.
I deliberately didn't read the other comments before I made my own so I was not unduly influenced. LOL.... after, I saw many had some similar thoughts.
I think you should do how you want and I always thought you did.
I still got a dollar.
You mention a casino and it made me think about the last time I was in one: 2011 at the casino in Monte Carlo. They're not places that hold any attraction to me to be honest...but they have donuts now? Hmm. 😆
Let me think about that dollar, my VP is way low because all the upvoting on this post so let me recharge and review.
I've never been in a casino!
You silly! For the fun of it I did a quick (and maybe not perfect) addition of the comment votes from you associated with this post and you have given me more than that already. Then Boomie added some more, so I've made out like a bandit for real.
Either way, you know I'm always just having some fun when I say things like that. I know you know.
I know you're just having fun, but as someone who has been consistent in following me and a lot of fun along the way, I want to reward you, and will.
As for casinos, you're not missing much.
$1 😏
Oh! Thank you ! 😊
Keep going boss! 😀😀
It's funny isn't it when people have a chance of a healthy upvote and can't even be fucked making the effort to do a real comment.
I think such a thing would get you a mix. You would get decent people, then some people initially there for the vote who would actually evolve into decent folk and of course, you would get the spamfarmers. Some of the spamfarmers would be clever and others would call you dear and tell you you were doing great on the Blockchain 😀
Lol, I will boss and you keep going too.
There's a few I comment-vote at large percentages as you know, and I'll keep doing it...but yeah, I think you're right, I'd get a lot of shite and shite people looking to take advantage. Hmm, I could offer them $1 downvotes huh?
The only person I don't mind calling me dear is my Aunt and even then I contemplate throat punching her when she does.
Hehe, Aunt's just escape the throat punching... just.
You never know, the cunts might be too scared to be cunty with your reputation!
What do you mean, my reputation? I'm a teddy bear, all soft and squishy...isn't that how I'm perceived?
That is exactly how you are perceived 😀
For sure. Lol.
Teddy......😂
Sir, yes, Sir, Teddybear, Sir! 🤦♂ (That's a salute-smiley, right?)
Indeed, I even have buttons for eyes.
Carrot and sticks... either comment right, or don't ****** comment. And yes, I'm still working on cutting swearwords out. Really hard to do so while reading your posts. @holoz0r , how's that swear-word-count going?
I am actually working on the analysis of August's data now. I am establishing a boundary and closing discord so I don't get any further notifications of hive activity until I am done.
You had to establish a boundary because of some certain persons's abundant swearing? Oh boy, that's a badge that should be created...
No, I just needed a distraction free environment in which to thrive :) (ie, not to have my attention span disrupted) - I needed to focus, but felt like I also needed to maintain my standard response-to-comment self imposed service level agreement, like I am some sort of demented IT contractor.
I am now working on my future posts again :P
Got it, I will not put anything worthy of an answer in this comment.
Indeed, commenting with rubbish is ****** and I don't see any ******* point in ommentimg in that ****** way. I certainly don't upvote ***** that ******* do it.
Ok, so I'm not cutting out swearing, just as "fucken"and "cunts" in the appropriate areas.
Oh, I don't want you to, at all. It's refreshing to not see it censored and just the speech as it is. I'm just censoring myself because I want to swear less until Lily is in an appropriate age to handle those kind of words.
You know, I never once heard my father swear, not even once. It was a good example; in truth, my father was an exemplary role model and I was lucky to have him. So, well done for taking a stand.
You told me that at one point, I think below holozors swear word count, and I found it really impressing. Lily has hears me swearing already, it just slips out when talking to people that I usually swear with, but I'm getting better. Language is an important part of communication, and I want her to be able to communicate healthy and be conscious about words and their potential, before she adds her own nuances to it.
I agree with what @meesterboom wrote: you will get a few decent people.. and a lot of reward farmers. But among these last ones, some - with time - might become good followers. If more people start to read your posts and reflect about what you wrote, I believe a few will realize that they actually like your style and your writings, so they will slowly turn into real followers who post meaningful comments not for the rewards, but because they enjoy it.
It will require time and, at the beginning, patience, but in the long run it might give you good result!
I've never really "sought" followers, they come along or not; I'd certainly not be interested in followers that came along for reward though. People see a large stake and think a few shit comments will gain them something from me but they would be mistaken. I'm also disinclined to foster and nurture those types of people into "good followers." People have to show passion, personality and effort if they are to get any reward from me, and they need to do it consistently. I'm also not about to support those who extract all their rewards and don't power up any.
I guess on Hive large stakes will always attract extractors, rewards farmers and all kind of people interested more in the rewards than the content. The only way to avoid that would be not to upvote comments, but this would nullify one of the best part of Hive, i.e. rewarding meaningful and sincere engagement... so I'd keep going as you always did, without changing anything. I always find your posts full of "real" comments, so it looks like your way of curating comments has already proved to be extremely valid.
I enjoy upvoting comments, in fact a whiile back I started to upvote comments with greater percentages but only with those who I have relationships or who add the three important elements of passion, personality and effort. So yeah, I agree with the below line you wrote.
Yep, I appreciate those "real comments" probably more than the people leaving them realise. Some are lazy in their responses and I see that clearly, but in the main most who comment on my posts are good folks.
You would certainly get more comments and followers. Likely following an 80:20 distribution of garbage to quality. That could be wrong though. I expected to see a lot of trash comments already and there are only 2-3 at this point (7 hours after your post). The rest are more thoughtful but also from the more active hive users.
I'm curious to come back in a few days and see what the quality of comments in this post are like.
Yep, I think I'd get a fuck load of shit comments...most of which I'd vote of course...downvote.
As for the commenting on this post, it's what I expected, the usual suspects commenting well and a few others. You see, this post was the experiment - I'd never simply upvote every top level comments with $1, I respect passion, personality and effort more than that, and I'm disinclined to reward a lack of effort.
Yes, of course. I can't resist a good satire and your post was an excellent one 😀
Lol...glad you saw it for what it was.
I think upvoting comments is a sign of appreciation to the ones that took the time to read and comment on your blog. And as you mention in your blog, there is a great difference in value of comments.
So I think it is good that you diversify your comment upvotes. Giving everyone the same would probably attract more people that comment for the 'quick buck'.
I'm running the @topcomment project that also rewards quality comments. I think I noticed you muted the account. Reading your blog I assume you did this because we add reply on each comment we upvote. We do this to promote our (by the way non profit) service.
With @topcomment we try to create an extra incentive to comment on posts. And mainly on posts from users that don't have the ability to give away these nice upvotes.
So, I think the way you are curating your comments is great and I wouldn't change it if I were you.
I like the way I apportion my comment votes and whilst "fair" doesn't come into it, I believe the votes I give are commensurate to the quality of the comments left or relationships with those who leave them.
Yes I did indeed, I mute all of those auto-comment things that appear on my posts, I don't like the look of them, but I like your initiative a lot and to the best of my understanding it's not being abused. I understand the comment is an "advert" as such, and that's not a bad thing, I just don't like the look of them on my posts. It's not personal of course, just a me-thing.
Thanks for your comment.
How do you feel when some times someone may upvote "negative" comments on your posts just to try and get them above others you've upvoted?
This happens to me from time to time, they try their hardest to upvote a comment I may have upvoted just because they posted it, but they do it for like nefarious reasons to get that one to the top just because it may make the post/myself/my projects look bad, etc. It's kind of difficult to choose if you wanna downvote it slightly or unvote since it's a different user that posted it compared to upvoted it.
Most of the time it's usually some cunts doing the upvoting too that are being downvoted for legitimate reasons but continue to stick around cause they're just that desperate.
I have my settings to have the oldest comment being shown first, as a standard, and I think it's the default on PeakD. So maybe they don't really get above?
Also, I wouldn't worry too much about that. It's like with amazon reviews, you go through the negative ones to see if there's some real issue, but usually it's just angry people blowing off steam. If you have a conscious reader, they will read through the negative comment, make an opinion about it, and move on to the other comments. I mean, your posts are similar to Galenkp and Tarazkp - the amount of comments is staggering, as is the variety. I, personally, wouldn't care to micromanage the balance of votes, but do my thing and reward those I seem worthy. But luckily, I'm far away from being in your position, that would be too much work and responsibility for me at the moment. Maybe in 10 years 😅
I'm not sure I've seen it on my posts although I've muted people who consistently antagonise or have nefarious intent. That's why I only post within my own communities; I can mute a user in the community and their comment is muted across the board.
How do I feel about it? Well, I guess I don't feel anything. People have a right to do as I please. Of course, so do I, which is why I never have to justify what I do it say. Freedom extends to everyone, even cunts. I think wrote a post about that a few weeks ago actually. People who act in inflammatory ways for the drama are often those with the lowest self-esteem and little else of value in their lives hence the need to inflame situations. Worthless.
There been countless people who have wanted to make me look bad and that's their prerogative, they are free to do so...as it is mine to mute them in my community or downvote their every post and comment until they disappear. Freedom for all right?
Appreciation of comments is always subjective. And it isn't a job, so don't expect to get rewarded. Just be happy when you are.
Thanks for the clarification ☺️ I already thought this, but it's good to know.
We'll just keep on upvoting genuine, high quality comments under your posts!
It's less than you give away yourself, but it's the idea of appreciation for the effort people put into it.
The appreciation of a comment left is often more valuable to a user on the edge of giving up and I see it as strong motivation, much more than a vote really. In fact, I hate it when people thank me for my vote and cite it as a reason they now have greater motivation; they have totally missed the point. Many times a user has been so thankful for my comment on their post - I feel it's been genuine most of the time and sometimes I can tell it's done to curry favour with me because I have a bit of stake...the truth comes put when I never hear from them again.
It's sad that people don't see the opening of me commenting on their posts as an opportunity to continue to build a relationships; no different to people thinking they're gaining from posting on my #weekend-engagement topics each week for a vote then me not hearing another thing from them all week. If only they knew they would "earn" so much more than my single vote if they took the time to comment to me on my posts all week.
I totally agree with you on this one. Even though I'm voting manually, I do sometimes rush to cast my votes to some posts because I don't want my Hive Power to reach 100%.
Comments show that someone has ready your content.
Some people just aren't here for building 'relationships' and engaging, but for the earnings. I've also seen a lot of people that only post and cash.
That is why I think rewarding comments is important. It shows appreciation towards the commenters.
I'm moving away from voting posts by people I don't know well and towards bigger votes on comments left for me or others. (The right comments of course). I also check wallets and rarely support extractors. I'm disinclined to buy them dinner, especially when their posts and comments are shite or AI and other such things.
That would certainly impose a lot more "work" on you in evaluating all the comments, so that you could decide which one is the best and which one deserves a "fat" award.
(One Hiver who launched topcomment has a team behind him that does the selection of comments, but on the entire platform).
If word got around, I believe that the number of commenters would increase, and the question is whether any new ones would appear, who make meaningful comments, or would you get another 50 of them with "Great boss" 🙂
I usually make comments on posts when the topic interests me (and when I find time), and I think they are OK.
Considering that for every comment I get some part of the dollar from you, I would agree with the experiment. To have 10 comments with 0 if there is a chance that my 11th comment will be rewarded with a whole $.
Surely such an experiment would lead us all to read the comments of others, looking for the best one.
Well, now, I don't know how acceptable and cultural it is to get involved in the exchange of comments between two Hivers?
I did that a couple of times, but I felt left out, because I didn't get an answer, so it seemed to me that it was not a good way to engage in communication 🙂
I think, if you're going to interject in a comment thread between two other users it needs to be done politely, with interest and validity and preferably with other people you already have some relationship with. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it with people you don't know, just that it might be more difficult if there's no established relationship. When people do it to me it's often done badly but I tend to be open to it because people have to start somewhere and if they do the right things, maybe there's a chance for them to strike up a better relationship.
@meesteeboom and I have some strange comment threads and I'm sure we'd both be happy to have someone else interject although it could be difficult considering some of our commenting is based on years of relationship, and we're both a little bonkers.
Anyway, wankers won't be getting $1 from me, I'm good at spotting them, so no extra work required on my part.
That's clear, you took your aunt as an example 🙂
although I understand you.
My aunt doesn't call me "Dear", but that's why every time I see her, she asks me if I'm hungry and offers to eat something, at any time of the day 😂
It's quite ironic that topcomment upvoted your indeed considerate comment, and is muted in the community 😅
There is that saying "My house, my rules".
I have nothing against such a position,
it is important that the owner of the house is consistent, so that he applies the same to everyone, and galenkp is.
I support.
That's what I would say, too. I don't mind getting upvotes for comments, but I also wouldn't mind not getting them, as long as there is interaction and engagement - if my comment intended that, and wasn't just stupid jokes.
I believe that those who comment because they genuinely like something don't need that $1; it comes naturally to them, and they'll do it whether there's a reward or not. I don't know if you'd gain followers, but I'm sure there would be a lot of trashy, spammy, meaningless comments just for the sake of getting what you have to give. They would only come for the money—not all of them, but there would be many. The genuine ones will remain so, whether there's a dollar or not.
Let me tell you a story: I once said in a comment to someone I appreciate... I wish my vote was worth a lot to reward you as I think you deserve, and he replied... taking the time to read my post and comment is something not everyone does, it's very valuable. I appreciated what he said, because he is always there too.
Then... yesterday someone commented that it was a nice design to put on a truck, without even reading the title... that sucks, better not comment.
I agree with your first paragraph, well said.
I'm not sure who said that to you about your lack of vote value but if more people said things like that, this place would be a much better place. But instead, it's full of people who will do anything for a vote, pander to those with bigger stakes and try to seek favour. I'm fortunate that I see through most of that. Unfortunately, some of the "good ones" also get lumped into that group by mistake.
That's unfortunate, but if it's true, there are all kinds of people, but to avoid getting caught up in spam comments, it's better not to say anything.
Always immensely grateful!! Thank you @topcomment and @friendlymoose!!💗💗💗
I think you're trying to fish out all the abusers and scammers with your little experiment, what a great idea boss!!!
Upvoting comment is a great way to drive engagement but I found when I used TopComment in the past, I got more farming comments which I hated. TopComment is a great project and delivers perfectly what it sets out to do, but I figured since my stake could give ok rewards I'll just do it myself. That way I won't attract so many farmers
Busted! 🤣
I don't use topcomment, for the reason you mention and my own vote is more than they give anyway so I figured I'll do it myself.
I've been a little alarmed by a few comment on this post suggesting that shit comments should be rewarded to "spread the wealth." Anyway, this post was the true experiment and I've learned a few things from it.
I reckon high caliber commenters, such as myself, would not be influenced by the worth of your vote:)
I think they come for the laughs.
Well said, and I reward those folks, you for instance, for what you bring as well; it's greatly appreciated.
2 dollars please!
Fucken Inflation Bro...
Prime needs more fuel.
Really tho I don't think about the value side of Hive much. I have gone months at times not even looking at my wallet. I think of Hive as investing and not earning. I have muy own unique style. (3rd grade level) Most times I don't think the stuff I write is worth much. I do it for fun. And an escape from reality cuz it Sucks. 😳
Inflation. 🤣
It's clear youbdonit for enjoyment and that's refreshing. You're one of the rare few.
It would be an interesting social experiment, I would just leave it as an experiment tough, meaning do it a few times but not forever...
You would get tons more comments as soon as the word spreads, tons of followers, most likely the average quality will drop since every bot, ai spammer, spammer in general would join the fest, you might attract a few more very good commenter but not many unless
In your favor? Depends what you are looking for, if numbers and followers then yes, quality of engagement not
It probably wouldn't be good for the blockchain since it will also attract extractors tough
And well yes like job rewards in case of good work it will encourage more effort
I still prefer the way you do now tough
There's Discord groups that suggest to users who to comment on, I know this because someone screen-snapped an image and showed me. Of course, my account was listed as one to comment on. Nutbags.
It's interesting, every now and then I get what looks like a good comment from someone new to my posts and before responding or voting on it I check out their posts - usually rubbish - and almost every time their comment to me has come moments after they have posted in one of my communities...I assume to draw my attention to them. Never works.
The way I do it now seems to be the best way and I enjoy giving people bigger comment votes when they've made me laugh, or commented in a way that has added some value to the discussion.
lol for real there's that kind of discord groups? unbeliavable... i noticed some random fake accounts following me since when my stake grew up, lets see how many more to come
indeed, consistence in interaction is the proper way to keep going, of course if time allows to, when i can't comment i just drop the upvote but i guess that users dont or just extract everything so their vote is crumbs
keep us updated on what you gonna do here, curiosity is my second name
Yeah, they come from particular parts of the world and target people with larger stake. I'm not easily fooled and if I am, and i find out I've been fooled, I'm pretty brutal with my response (downvotes).
Well, as for what I'm going to do...this post was the experiment, I would bever simply offer $1 upvotes regardless of the comment quality. I wanted to see what people thought out of curiosity and I've been surprised to see some promoting the idea of rewarding shit comments to "inspire those users to become good commenters" which is fucken nuts.
It would inspire those users to stay lazy most likely instead, 1$ guaranteed instead of consistency etc for a not guaranteed reward... Interestingly also how this post had double/triple replies compared to others, I wonder if majority pushed for this idea or prefers the way it is now
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question and scenario; maybe I'll ramp up the vote value on the better comments on my post and see how that goes, I'll not be voting in fucktards though.
Man... my opinion is that you will get people who are practically sycophants. That shall be the word of the day:
I thought at one stage that I should constantly engage in your posts and comment. I generally have a knack to write pretty good engaging replies... but even that seems awfully clingy...
That thought has prevented me from constantly being on your posts throwing comment after comment. I read a lot of them that I just upvote the post. Sometimes I feel it would be interesting to reply... for the sake of the reply itself. If it is something you want to upvote, fine, but I really don't expect anything.
You asked for a reply and response and this is it: I find that certain people buzz around those with large stakes like flies around a hunk o shit. That's annoying.
And I get called "boss" all the time in real life... by people who aren't my employees... I could go on and on but you get the idea I think.
Replies will always be a mixed bag. I wish you well in your experiments. Hope it does something good for you!
Sycophants indeed, worthless sycophants. (I didn't need the explanation of the word, I know what it means.)
I get a few people who consistently comment to me but say virtually the same thing every time, just a few few different words here and there, and basically just reiterate what I've already said which adds nothing to the conversation. I find it annoying. Like buzzing flies as you say.
As for the experiment...this was it, the post. As if I'd ever hand out $1 upvotes to all and sundry regardless of effort or value of the comment. Not a chance. It's been interesting to see what a few have said (a bit surprised at some) and also to see some folks who have never commented to me before, in over eight years. Vote fishing I guess. I'll never hear from those again, just like when some drop a post in my weekend-engagment concept and I never heard from them any other time. Vote fishing.
Yeah, I suppose the same is probably happening to other users with large HP that post regularly.
That could be a whole other metric on its own, because there are some accounts or users that have HP that do not post at all. Then some that post infrequently, like 10 times or less a year. You are on the other end of that spectrum. Daily posting. Very involved in several communities. Runs several communities. Curates for communities.
The constant activity makes you very visible. Which is good for so many reasons but also can attract the bad.
(PS. Sometimes I say things in my answer that I know you will know, no doubt. I only state them to make sure that we are both on the same page and that you know what context I am coming from. I used to ask only my kids if they understood what I meant and then ask for an explanation of a word or concept... Ive been doing it to adults too and I am astounded at the results... usually they have no idea what I am talking about.)
I think that rewarding all decent comments with 1 dollar would be a bit like participation reward. I am not a big fan of everyone getting the same rewards regardless of efforts or achievements. Not everyone wins medals in olympics and so those medals mean something. So I think that your current reward ,,system'' is better. I would likely personally benefit from your 1 dollar rewards- I comment your posts quite often and most of my comments are better than ,,nice post'' or ,,good job bro/ boss''. But I believe that this would likely not benefit you or Hive as a whole.
Well said, I'm glad you prefer what I currently do, I also think it's a good method.
Hahaha, you’re totally in your element, Boss! 😂 I was laughing while reading both the post and the comments. 🤗
I’ve had the same thoughts before — you end up with hundreds of comments you can’t really reply to... mostly because there’s nothing to reply to 🤷♂️.
But yeah, downvoting those empty “cool, keep going” type of comments sounds like a solid idea. Just not something I’d wanna test on my own account 😅 — I’ve put in way too much effort to risk angering the local gods . Though… 😏
I've got a small amount of tolerance for comments from fucktards who don't give a shot about quality enough to even care about their own; I think there'd be fewer of them if more people had less tolerance to it but so many do not for some reason. I guess people have a need for followers and to "not upset anyone" although I'm not one of those. I am here for my own enjoyment and comments like, "nice post boss" don't provide it.
100%! I’m pretty much just as soft here, but life goes on, I’m changing, and I’m trying to change this too.
I have a larger stake and it's easier to be a little firmer, although I only have a larger stake because I have extracted rewards and I powered them up instead. This is why I tell people to stop extracting and start powering up which earns more and gives people more "skin in the game."
A $1 upvote for a comment is more than the the usual median payout for an entire post of a similar length to a typical comment. You would be attracting the wrong sort of behaviours, in my opinion.
Indeed, which is why it won't happen, interesting to see people's opinions though.
It definitely was interesting reading through the other comments you got on the post. :) I am hoping I won't fall asleep again for another few hours (you probably know why), but when I need to, I think I have my cure to insomnia - because I read too much, I'm out like a light, regardless of the content.
Yeah, I'm up for the long haul and hope Piastri pulls one out of the bag. My F1 fantasy team has Williams drivers in it this week, I had thought their speed would carry through, the fuckers seem to be letting me down but the race is a different things so who knows.
The two paragons of disaster (Russell and Antonelli) are starting behind the "Italian Champions" of Piastri and Charles... so hoping everyone gets through T1 fine.
The f2 race was a disaster. 6 or 7 DNFs :D
I haven't seen th F2 yet, probably tomorrow night. I heard it was carnage.
It always is! :) Enjoy the race! :)
Yes I agree with "keep going boss" -- I also love "senseless cunts" -- I can't get enough off of "worthless shit-tokens"
To summarize -- lovely post, dear.
PS. I especially loved what @meesterboom said.
man, pretending to write like AI makes me feel ill, lol
PPS. Can I turn your post into an interrogation scene where I tell the double-sided mirror to shut the camera off and ask @meesterboom why he unvoted our witness today? Would you wanna join as the other cop if we do good cop - cunt cop? Who'll be who?
Every cop is a cunt cop 😀😀
Even the non cops!
Look, we can duke it out for who gets the honour of being the cunt cop.
Arm wrestle.
Rock, paper, scissors.
Highland dancing (although you have an unfair advantage)
Brazilin Jiu Jitsu
Drinking contest (you will have a distinct advantage here)
Crocodile wrestling (I will kick your fuggin ass!)
Anything you want bro...best of three.
And the winner...well, that's the cunt cop!
Fair?
Drunken crocodile dancing.
That might be even, entertaining too 😀😀
Cunt!
Why didn't I think of that.
Just the fact you came up with this qualifies you to be the cunt cop, but I'm still going to put my hand up for the role and engage in three rounds of drunken crocodile dancing against you...three, assuming you don't drunken crocodile dance me off the stage in the first two bouts.
I think you will pull the croc dancing out of the bag and reign victorious but the battle will be one that is sung for the ages!!
Well, if I'm anything like that cunt who did the break dancing at the Olympics for Australia, you're not in for a treat. Although, having said that, I'm rather good at croc dancing...let tha battles begin!
Good cop/cunt cop...I'll probably always be the latter, although there's probably a few contenders for the title around the place.
Hmm my personal and perhaps unconventional take on this is that people who genuinely want to comment and engage you won't be doing it for the upvotes. And people who are doing it solely for the upvotes probably got the logic wrong. Of course, upvotes are somewhat a form of incentive, but I don't think it should become an expectation.
So in short, it's a Yes (has to be) but I think the effect won't be significant. (But I could be wrong of course)
I agree, people shouldn't need a monetary reward as motivation to comment and those that do, on my posts, can fuck off. I'll give them nothing.
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I think that by giving $1 upvotes for comments, the number of people who comment on your content will increase. If more quality comments are added to the post, it can be appreciated, and the number of comments from farmers can also increase. To minimize it, the boss can also take the decision to downvote. Over time, you will see more quality comments with more experience. I find that if new followers come in, they can quickly post a low-quality comment without reading the entire post to get a $1 upvote. But those new followers can quickly become quality commenters. I usually only comment if it is interesting to me after reading it or if I have some experience with it. I have never commented on posts that are marketing related to business.
People that don't read a post before commenting and only comment for the reward they get will never be "quality commenters" in my opinion...they'll get downvotes from me though. I get the impression you read my posts before commenting and if you did not things wouldn't go as well for you; I make no apology for wanting to see good comments on my posts and for not wanting to reward the bad ones.
I think that your current system is working great. A $1 comment reward seems like overrewarding comments. It is great that you are rewarding comments, but if you take it too far, it would create a contest like atmosphere and the whole will become less genuine. Too much of a good thing...
Yeah, the last thing I'd do here would be to reward shit comments and shit people because doing that would only perpetuate their shitness.
This post was the experiment, and I've been a little dismayed to see some talking about rewarding shit comments to "spread the wealth" or in the hope of turning those people into good commenters. Fucken nuts.
Anyway, I'll vote them, downvote them, when shit gets dropped on my posts fishing for a reward, and will ontinue with me usual upvote ethos.
When a post creator works so hard for so many hours to create a post, then those who comment should also take care that they comment only after posting the entire post. I have also been commenting for a long time and I read the post and then I comment. I try to understand everything and comment on it. And here we are also seeing that there are many people who comment only one line without reading it. And here there are some people who are getting AI to write comments.
But those people who have been working on this platform for a long time immediately feel the difference between real comments and AI comments because we cannot get the comments that the human mind can make here.
The human mind thinks in a different way. And AI thinks in a different way, so there is a lot of difference between the comments of both.
Yeah, it's reasonably easy to spot AI responses as they tend just to paraphrase the post content. I prefer to I teract with humans (human minds) so won't support AI with votes.
I don't reward a lack of effort either.
When the human mind thinks about something, it gives the best answer.
Indeed.
For me, it has never made sense to comment just for the sake of commenting, and I think I've said this before. This is supposed to be a kind of social media platform, at least that's how I see it.
Your purpose on the platform may be different, but if you're going to comment on someone's post, at least try to be authentic and interact with the content in a genuine way.
I've had friends who have even made fun of me because I read posts, telling me that I'm the only one who does, but the thing is... it's there for a reason, and I'm one of those people who, if I make a post, it's because I genuinely want to share my thoughts with others.
I have had the opportunity to read wonderful posts by people sharing their reflections on life, with personal experiences, and I honestly think it would be disrespectful for me to comment on them with some silly remark just for the sake of commenting.
I think that, in general, platforms lack soul, and it is assumed that we, the people who use them, are supposed to give them that soul.
Your friends have made fun of you reading posts and they thinknits pointless? I wish I knew those people so I could shower them with downvotes.
Just keep doing it your way and enjoying the interaction.
I'll never reward people who are lazy and apply no effort, that sort of thing should never be rewarded on Hive or anywhere else.
Interesting question. I comment when I read someones post and think I have a comment or question relating to the post. I have never had an expectation of reward for commenting other than connecting. I really need to put in the effort to write my own posts.
The expectation of a reward should never be there, it should be approached as you do it, for the enjoyment of engagement and connection. Many people comment only to see a reward and that often leads them to comment poorly to cover more ground. Your way is more enjoyable.
I've noticed Hive is full of fishers, some smarter than others but fishers in the end.
Some users take the time to read one's post, of course if they find any interest and quality in it. Commenting or not that's another story. Some users only read highly staked user's posts, and some users comment these posts without even reading to get an upvote.
I have found high quality and interesting posts in the writings of "less powered"(to call them something) users. A lot of them without an amount of comments down there according to the quality of the content, sometimes without any comment and other times with hypocritical and senseless comments of the less clever fishers that, in this case, are not trying to fish a vote from the poor rated post owner but from projects like top comment and so. ( Stupid thing from the fishers as well).
Don't get me wrong, quality doesn't come only from the poor HPed, but there's a lot of quality there as well that might be bot seen, supported or appreciated, as there is in many(not all) of the older users in hive from a lot of which I've learned a thing or two.
Anyway, sugar in the floor attracts ants, and ants don't come if it's not just to eat and take the sugar away, but not cause they(ants) wanna help to clean the floor but they want to eat the free sugar. Greetings.
I don't value laziness or low-effort and I don't reward people who are lazy and apply no effort which is what I don't like AI, set word-minimums and do not permit stock images in my communities for instance. I'm happy to downvote people who apply low effort in commenting to me, and will certainly never reward it. Some think I should though, whish I don't understand. Rewarding shit will inspire more shit.
Agreed. People need to know when what they poorly give isn't up to the standards, when it's a mistake the lack of effort and not getting what they spect must give them a spot to reflect and learn that good things require hard work and effort.
Otherwise there will be no improvement.
If you increase your comment upvote to a dollar, I imagine at first you will get around the same comments you do now. If, however, you continue the experiment longer than a week and give it time for word to get around, you will attract more people just after money than after really connecting with you.
I generally upvote comments at 15%, which at my stake is about 5 cents. Sometimes if it's a really good comment I upvote around 30%. I feel the same as you about wanting to reward people for taking the time to comment. It's a "thanks for taking the time", more or less. You might laugh, but my biggest motivator for increasing my stake is being able to give out decent rewards without having to raise my voting percentage too high.
I suppose 5 cents isn't much of a motivator, so I don't have a huge problem with people coming in and trying to farm my goodwill, but I do get them sometimes. Funny thing is, my regular commenters have commented on my posts even when my 15% upvote only have a single penny. The only people I have attracted by my increased upvote value is people only after money.
Yep, indeed. The money grubbers and there's no fucken way. Finding their lifestyles (despite them always going on about starving or having some illness). I reward effort, plain and simple. The experiment I have done, this post, has shown me a lot about how some people think. Interesting stuff really, and somewhat alarming in some cases.
Lots of people are motivated by money. The moment they see the $$$ signs, they start chasing whatever can get them that, the easiest, fastest way possible. Unfortunately, bad players can start to exploit that kind of stuff.
What I can say is that in many parts of the world, that $1 could mean a lot. Could be the price of a decent meal or two.
When I was in college, when I still lived in my home country, $1 was more than enough to buy me a full lunch. ;)
Yeah, and people who comment with shit comments without reading the post can get their $1 elsewhere, I don't give a fuck if it pays for a meal or not, I don't reward a lack of effort; and besides, I don't think that's a reason they deserve a vote, what the $1 may or may not buy. What deserves a vote is comments that show passion, personality and effort.
But thanks for your comment, I'm glad you joined in the conversation.
This!
Thanks for creating post that engage people. I love reading your work.
Yeah, I've had that ethos since starting here (June 2017) and have that ethos in life so it makes sense to me. Others like cutting corners and living their lives in suboptimal ways, but that's not my way.
A 1USD vote for a comment should usually motivate folks to comment in a decent manner but also saw the opposite - I often vote comments and also try to reply but reduced percentage recently - I never comment all sharing stuff on twitter, bluesky, achievements (with exceptions) and especially the ones that repeat post content and where you see it has been written by translator or makes no totally no sense to the original post.
If I see these usual low effort spam replies I do not vote - sometimes I am close to downvote but not a huge flagger to be honest - ignoring them.
I rather upvote critical things or even attacks :-).
Keep going boss then - do as yozu see fit and you will find a good takeaway I am sure.
I'm not sure what you mean here.
I prefer to read a feedback that also could be negative and reward this with a vote instead of a slimy "Nice, I love ypur content - I totally agre with this" when I feel it is bollocks and just fishing for a comment vote :-)
Ah ok, I understand.
With all due respect, this idea of a “base income” in the comments doesn't make sense to me. If you really don't chase quantity, but value quality above all, if people really have to show passion, individuality and effort to get some reward from you - leave it as it is.
Besides, I think you'll lose the main thing you really like - your personal free and subjective assessment of the quality of each comment.
Yep, exactly why I'll never support or reward what see as rubbish; interesting to see people's opinions though.
Frustrating comments (or lack of) were the reason I stopped posting on Peakd a long time ago...I get it, I write a simple post for Splinterlands (at the time I was a player and I participated in their campaigns), and I just get some "keep going boss," it is deserved, totally. But when I spend hours researching for a post (for Splinterlands again), and I get the "read it, thank you for your contribution," and later I notice Splinterlands actually used some of my ideas...well, at least give me some recognition, some credits, just a natural, TRUE comment, not asking for money...
So long story short, I am still disappointed after years, and your post just reminded me of that.
I LOVE the 1$ downvote idea btw, I bet you would lose the boss status quickly 😄
At the same time, it is important to remember that 1$ for some people here, depending on the country, could be more than their 1-hour remuneration, so it is obvious that people try to "steal" relatively small rewards
I'm not into Splinterlands so can't comment on that, and neither do I feel inclined to create someone's income however understand that so many people don't give a shit about content (their own or others) and simply want rewards. I'm disinclined to give it to them without them having first showed, passion, personality and effort.
People lose their fucken minds when they get a downvote, something that never stops me from exercising my right to freedom to reduce rewards and return it to the reward pool when required.
Let's see if any write "nice post" on this particular post huh?
It is refreshing to read something like that after months where I ignored blogging on Peakd 🤝
People accept the social media style until they receive bad feedback, and usually, it is their fault
I think if you take this route you better find a good AI detector program because you are likely going to start getting a flood of AI generated comments. They are already bad, but it might get even worse. Are you talking about the tipbot post things? I never was able to figure out the syntax for them, so I never use them.
I don't really worry about AI detectors, I simply downvote something because I want to, if I want to. And if you think I'd ever reward shit comments and commenters you mustn't have read my posts in the past, that's not something I'd ever do. This post was the experiment, and it's been interesting to see responses, some not what I would have expected.
I don't know what a tipbot is.
Nah, I was just pointing out it is going to be harder to sift through the good stuff as more people will try to game the system. I think I've followed you and interacted with you long enough to know how you feel about AI which is why I brought it up. The tip bots are the things where people post like a hashtag or whatever and it drips those little tokens to people, like "pizza" or some of the other ones. I figured that is what you were talking about from some of the comments you have gotten.
I fucken hate those things. I mute them all in my communities so no one sees them. It's childish, worthless and I see it as people throwing garbage on people's post. Someone mentioned one that rewards comments and I see that one as different, it's manually done as far as I know and (hopefully) isn't being abused by only upvoting the delegators, but I still have that one muted as I don't like the comment they drop in advertisement when they upvote a comment.
Yeah, I am not a fan of them either. I am kind of glad I never figured out how to use them, it feels more like a win for me. I made it a point to start upvoting comments a while ago. It's not much, but I try to make sure it is over the dust threshold and I can think it shows people that I appreciate them visiting my post and engaging with it.
Yep, setting it over the dust threshold is a good plan, as is upvoting comment in general in my opinion.
It will definitely get more attention. I don't think you have to worry about a huge increase in "nice post" type comments. What I see more of is people pretending to engage by asking a question but then it's clear from the question that they didn't really read the post.
My upvotes aren't worth all that much but I also use commentrewarder. It's hard to tell if it is a net positive. Maybe a little.
Theres also one account that has been commenting on my posts recently that sounds suspiciously AI like.
I like to downvote AI, and also enjoy downvoting people that respond to me when it's clear they haven't read the post.
I value "real" engagement and those commenting simply for a vote are worthless.
I was absent from the platform for quite some time and I sporadically keep trying to come back. In recent weeks, I did so more frequently, but then I disconnected again. However, the truth is that whenever I can, I come here to browse. I always find pleasant surprises and interesting things. I think that your posts naturally create the need to comment, and it is certainly valuable that you take the time to respond to comments.
You said it yourself: $1 per comment would undoubtedly increase your number of followers and, in turn, the number of comments. It would perhaps be exhausting to respond to so many messages that would surely strive to be valuable, and the spontaneity of those original comments that are frequently left on your posts would be lost or diluted.
But like any experiment, there could also be other surprises 😜.
Yeah, I think I'd be inundated with shit posters if word got out about me blindly giving $1 votes which is why I won't do it. I get enough shit comments as it is.
Thanks for your kind words about my posts, I appreciate that.
I understand. There are perhaps some novices who don't understand how Hive works and just expect to make money. I've made many mistakes myself, and I can understand that some of these comments may be from novices, but I also know that others are people trying to fish in troubled waters, ha ha ha.
Fishing in the "troubled" waters of my pond could earn people votes...downvotes.
Nice. Keep going boss. ;)
It is a worthy experiment for sure. I forget who I was speaking with here that said they like to reward even some of the thoughtless or uninvolved engagement in order to share the wealth. What better way to encourage someone than to praise (reward) them for the behaviour you would like them to exude?
I try and reply to / upvote every single reply to my posts with a few exceptions. Taking the lead of the mystery person mentioned earlier, I like to drop a 50% upvote on real engagement and a 1/3 vote for the lighter ones. Less effort gets less rewards from me but engagement is better than none. Now, my stake is almost a pittance so it doesn’t make much difference.
Anyway, I keep it simple here and enjoy the conversation that connects us among the chaff that comes with the wheat. Bigger upvotes may lead to more beggars and hangers on as well as better engagement. More chaff to separate but perhaps more wheat!
I will never reward low or no effort and if people do it to "spread the wealth" those people are responsible for helping perpetuate the rubbish that people post here...which helps to inspire more and it's that which makes this place looks like a joke to outsiders looking in.
We all like to be rewarded, maybe not with $1, maybe we look beyond a like on our posts, maybe one more follower, maybe that they recognize us and that they know that we exist on the blockchain, that you contribute $1 is an added value that you give to your comment box, Which will guarantee you always have comments there of all levels. I am sure that it will be one of the most visited profiles and you will have an important movement within the blockchain. Best regards
I'd rather people turn up for reasons of enjoyment and engagement. Those I need to "pay" to be here are not people I want to engage with. That's why I did this post, to see what people thought and who may come along fishing for votes...which I will not give them.
This would definitely bring you more followers. Most likely a mix of farmers and people genuinely trying to create and share content to entertain, educate or even just make you laugh.
I use AI to generate pictures for my short stories because it captures the basic feeling of my stories, I don't have a budget to hire a human artist.. yet!
I see no human creativity in AI generated images or text so I don't vote on it, but I know a lot of people use it.
Understood.
For me, AI is just a tool to illustrate my stories without a budget for artists yet. I focus on the writing itself, and the images are there to give readers a sense of mood.
Appreciate you sharing your perspective.
Should I stop using the images?
I don't ever expect people to stop doing what they want to do, freedom for all. I just don't vote on it and mute posts containing AI that are left in my communities because I want to promote real human relationships.
Thanks for the reply. I will avoid AI in my posts.
That is a very interesting experiment - honestly I am not sure how I feel about it (as to being an improvement upon your current approach where you already reward good comments for the effort with a reward based on the quality).
So what do I think will happen:
I think that $1,- is quite a bit for some people (especially if they can play the system using multiple accounts). Quite some people in crypto are desperate to make a buck and change their lives. Based on the current reward farming I will expect these people will definitely try to take advantage out of it.
I feel the people that we would want to start commenting, should want to comment regardless of any reward. The real reward is good conversations on interesting topics. Potentially getting any reward is just a bonus.
But… can’t deny I clicked on this and will follow you. Not for potential rewards but mostly because it triggered me to think for +/- 1h before I commented!
A good comment.
So, the "experiment" was this post. I am not the man to reward a lack of effort so would never hand out $1 vote comments to people who don't show it, along with passion and personality.
I've had a few people comment here who have never commented to me before, a byproduct of my title I assume, which was done for that very reason, and I've been interested to see the comments from them and others I have known here for years. Some of those comments were a little eye-opening.
I always check wallets when someone new comments to me, as I did with yours. I liked the power ups but see you've delegated almost all your stake leaving you with a very low vote, but returns for yourself. This is your prerogative of course. I have preferred to do it differently, powering up and holding my stake under my control so I get the enjoyment of handing out over $3 rewards to those who deserve them - it makes it more fun.
As you say, engagement and interaction is the benefit of Hive and I think some people don't well and some do not. I've been around for a long time and really miss some of the "old folk" from eight years ago, but there's some good people out there and new folk can become old friends right? Or...they just fall by the wayside and get left behind.
Thank you for your feedback on this and I agree with you. I feel I am still learning here, but am definitely moving forward to that direction. I decided to make a change in my portfolio and finally get my funds in hive and hbd directly rather than mostly in tribaldex tokens. Last Saturday was a first bigger powerup - and atleast 3 more weeks like this will follow. My plan is to have <50% delegated as a final outcome - and just continue to get the perfect power up year!
I must admit that I find it a little scary to grow my account and actively vote for content, as I think I should also use the downvote (and start some big drama) for a thing I noticed happening. Being conflict-avoiding - I took the easy way out by delegating my stake, but that also doesn’t feel completely right. So I am working towards to getting in the drivers seat step by step.
From your main post another point had me thinking for a while. (/reflections seems indeed to be the best topic!). You mentioned the using of token tip bots. I feel I am also learning with that regards and would love to read your view on the following:
I hold the largest position of a token called DUO (which is trading at 1.5 hive). There is a tip bots feature that allows me (only me as I am the only investor with more than 10k tokens), to tip 2x 0.5 DUO a day. My expectation so far has been that the persons receiving the tips will just sell it and be happy with a little (2x 0.75 hive reward) - but I can also understand if it is viewed differently (especially before opening a new post and notice that most of the comments are just tipbots).
Would you say that that this tipbot is providing any value or that it is just the same as the lower value tips?
On losing the good people from 8 years ago!
I think it can be a consolation that also in real life we lose and replace (on average) roughly 50% of our friends every 7 years. While I was not around here 8 years ago, I was active on reddit on the bigger cryptocurrency forums and I can definitely understand that things changed (and with the $ value of crypto in general - not necessarily for the better). But yeah, I love it here, there are still great people and some people are doing great things!
If we comment on someone's post, we naturally like their article, perhaps because the content they provide is truly enjoyable for us to read.
Comments are a major factor in the quality of our posts. If someone leaves a good and engaging comment, they likely enjoy what's written behind the post.
I love wise words like this because I can learn a lot from them. It's truly enjoyable when we comment on others, perhaps we like them. But your words are truly enjoyable. Thank you for sharing your insight into comments.
Ok, what do you reckon it means when they leave a shit comment?
Every comment we give is of course based on the content of the post written, but if someone leaves a bad comment, of course they will feel annoyed by the comment, on the other hand, someone who enjoys what is written will definitely feel comfortable when reading the quality of the post.
They're going mad about your offer.
I reckon so although, as the post states, it's not an offer as yet.
I always comment on your posts when they appear on my feed, and I like your posts. They make me reflect sometimes.
Yes, I've seen your comments from time to time.
that sounds a bit slimy if i may say so - such posts I would never vote (but just me)
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It definitely seems that most people vote but very few comment. I try to vote on comments when I get them, and reply when appropriate as well.
I'm sure if more people commented and more voted on the comments it would encourage more interactions.
I don't like voting on people who extract all their rewards without even a thought of powering up to help support others in the community through upvoting. When I see a comment from someone I've not heard from before, the first this I do is check their wallet to see how much and how often they extract funds against how often and how much they power up. Some never power up at all and extract a lot. I always check. Those people don't get my votes.
This is good
Really good.