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in LeoFinance5 years ago

Last night I made a little bit of a voting error. I was using the Engage app that is great for replying to comments quickly, but I didn't realize that my vote weighting settings had reverted to 100% instead of the usual 5%. Does 5% sound stingy?

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Actually, I have had it at 5% for quite some time now and it is currently delivering about 11 cents each, which I think is pretty good. Though even when it was only adding 4 cents, it was still adding the same amount of HIVE from the pool.

So anyway, I ended up voting for I think about 12 comments for a total of around 30 dollars worth of votes. Most of the comments I get are pretty okay, but not all probably deserved $2.50 on them. To me, it is a bit funny, things happen.

I think the funniest must have been on this one:

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This was their second comment on the platform. Welcome in! That

Since this, I am glad to see that they have indeed found out how to publish something and it looks like they have come directly in through Leo Finance, since that is where their first post went. Is the logo added automatically for new Leo users?

The reason I ask is it always makes me wary when new users come into the platform and are already using alternate interfaces and know the tags. In the past it meant they were "new" users, with the quotations meaning on an alt, but as an old user, I don't know how all the people are signing up these days through the interfaces. It is great that I am losing so much visibility on the ecosystem as it means it is growing - also worrying, as it means I am "losing touch" with something I am quite familiar with.

oh, I just answered my own question for the account above:

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It is getting a delegation from @leo.voter which I think indicates it has joined up through the Leo interface. At least, that vote I accidentally gave them should be enough to almost double their HP.

At the end of the day, a lot of people come here to earn and might even get a lot of support, but it isn't the votes that actually keep people here through the bear markets, that are generally longer than the bulls. When people attach their activity to vote values alone, they tend to lose sight of the future of the internet itself, where it isn't about the flash in the pan, it is the longevity of activity that has the value. As people start to just interact regardless of the votes, they tend to do better as they relax more and build real relationships.

I have seen a fair bit of this on my own post, where people who in the past used to comment, no longer do because they are targeting larger value voters. There is nothing wrong with that, it is just that it means that unless they are continually powering up, they are going to be left high and dry when things turn and they have no relationships. Life can be very lonely on Hive if only doing it for the money and when the value shifts direction, many won't make it.

I don't remember who it was, but someone was saying how stupid I was for not selling out at the highs and perhaps they were right. But, three years later, I am still heavily staked on Hive, earning okay daily, as well as being increasingly diversified as I have been able to use other resources to take advantage of the industry maturing. Did they do better by selling? Perhaps, perhaps not, but considering all of the mistakes I have made over the years, I am pretty content with where I currently sit.

I was talking to a colleague today about sinks and how they affect practical supply and this is something that I believe needs to be further concentrated on for Hive. For example, I am a HIVE sink since I don't really powerdown and I keep increasing my stake. However, with DeFi offering insane rates, the people who can't get in otherwise or the maximizers of their value will move their Hive to get into liquidity pools. These are sinks too, but Hive doesn't have much of this kind of sink - it should.

If there was a more compelling reason to stake Hive, more people would stake. If Hive integrated DeFi liquidity into the chain itself, it gives a massive reason to stake Hive on the platform. This would give Hive market scarcity, making it harder to find, driving the value up as people would demand it as it not only gives them the capabilities of DeFi earnings, it can also be used practically for a number of activities on the chain. It'd be pretty awesome - I think.

There is a lot going on these days and it appears that I am not the only one with a splitting focus that draws my attention in 10 ways at once. Sometimes however, this means that mistakes happen, like selling when I planned to buy, buying when I planned to sell and voting with a weight that I normally wouldn't. However, my mistakes are another person's wins and hopefully they will use that vote value to earn a little more on it by staking it for their Hive future.

Taraz
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I was just suggesting to your bro to try doing some random acts of kindness, you should feel good about that small mistake.

I don't mind a little random.

That doesn't sound right

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Sir. Kindly I accept comment votes all day. Thank you for advancement.

Consider yourself advanced?

See you at the top.

For example, I am a HIVE sink since I don't really powerdown and I keep increasing my stake.

Ooh I think this means I'm a sink too, yay I'm useful for something XD

I had a bit of a chuckle when you wrote "It is great that I am losing so much visibility on the ecosystem as it means it is growing - also worrying, as it means I am "losing touch" with something I am quite familiar with."


Because my thoughts were, "Awww, feeling old, huh?" Yeah, I kind of wonder some of those same things as I've been on Steem since 2017, so, it's like, aye, how the Hell do you guys know the tags and how did you get here, where did you come from...... oh wait, am I Biden, who am I, where am I, what am I doing, are you my wife or my sister?"

I am definitely feeling old at the moment. At what point in the arch does an early adopter become a has been?

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In Star Wars, it took Kenobi ten to thirty years to be a master. But the bulk of his beard grew in just three or so years during the Clone Wars.


Therefore, according to my Geek Logic, it would take you no longer than the time it takes to be able to efficiently recruit new people (or enough people at a high enough level lol) to Hive, then A Has Been Master you are says Yoda.

Why write any stinky POST? I can just comment 1000 Times-a-Day.
He'll be hunting comment upvotes forever now. You ruined HIVE for him :D

1000 comments a day is unrealistic to write!
I will say more, it is unrealistic to write them even in a week. This requires tremendous willpower.
1000 comments = 1000 read messages, which is practically unrealistic.

1000 комментариев вдень нереально написать!
Скажу больше, их нереально написать даже за неделю. Для этого нужна огромная сила воли.
1000 комментариев это = 1000 прочтенных сообщений, а это практически не реально.

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Yeah it should be pretty hard.

I think you're right. Although, not everyone writes spam comments, but everyone starts with this, or started ...

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In a week, that would be two hours a day of ~~ one comment per Minute. Might get me in trouble for spamming!

I feel like a turtle, I need at least 5 minutes to comment. Judging by the time of writing, divided by the number of comments received.

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That sounds like you actually post thoughts with your comments. That's not workable for mass engagement. The moment one does use the Back or Delete, he has basically already lost to the "Task"-Master.

:D
I know right?

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I don't like those super nice slimy comment upvote people. Even if I'm not sure how much of it is due to the language barrier. But still...

'Hey Mr. Taraz, really awsome and inspiring post - btw. I love BEEs and Cats (if you have any) and also kids, but only yours! Please keep posting this amazing and wonderful words of blockchain! And I also upvoted you 100%... mkay?'

Don't worry. These people won't get support. There is absolutely nothing wrong with earning from comments or upvoting them, though.

People are people, as long as they are actually people :D

Best description of people I've met.

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If someone writes 50 comments a day, does it matter whether they use one, two or 50 different accounts to do it?

Well Engagemt is important, so somewhat yes. It‘s worse from 50 accounts.

😂 😂 😂 😅, It sounds funny though but as a newbie don't you think he/she deserves it? Mistake is constant.
Well, truly nobody will want to spend so much of their time in what they don't profit from, on the other hand being in Hive involves two things interacting and earning but it's really advisable to balance the two equation because one can't do without the other. 😉👍

I don't know about deserve, considering the comment - but I don't mind :)

People spend far longer on average on FB, Twitter, Insta etc - and earn nothing but stars and thumbs where the sun don't shine. I think at least here, there is a more honest look at the values of interaction. Facebook hide the true value, so they don't have to pay :)

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Well, I can't say for myself, I might have been in FB & Twitter but as for me time is too precious to have it spent that way.
Although many people uses Social media platforms to keep relationship with their client and fans going by updating them every now and then on their businesses.
Therefore, most of the people that spend much time on social media always have a reason for their actions.

I half expected your comments to be through the roof after that from a succession of hopefuls :0D

I ma a little disappointed. Goes to show how much people are making on DeFi ;D

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Lol, yes. All eyes on cubs!

Well, maybe that accident in the comment section makes him the most ambitious person on the platform, you never know. You maybe created a future monster 😁

This will be the defining moment in the birth of the monster - the origin story.

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I made $12 on a comment once. Good times.
klye's building some defi stuff for Hive; but I don't think its very far along yet.
The cubdefi.com stuff from the LEO team has been a lot of fun; hopefully a chunk of that value flows through to the underlying/governance token. 40c+ is a nice toehold. We climbin :)

Would love to see the Leo Team add Hive to the mix, considering that it is already listed on Binance. Wouldn't it be possible to then move it over (once set up on Binance side) to MM?

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I'm not sure how you go about adding another token on BSC. I assume it'd need to be a wrapped version of Hive.

Yeah, but I wonder if it can be BHIVE - It would be awesome to be able to say "Oh, BHIVE!"

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Last night I made a little bit of a voting error. I was using the Engage app that is great for replying to comments quickly, but I didn't realize that my vote weighting settings had reverted to 100% instead of the usual 5%.

Oh! wadda bummer. That must explain why I didn't get the fruits of one of those yummy errors.

Ah! the rewards of being a honest big mouth. :D

Maybe next mistake.

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Haha, then I will program & configure that in my auto "looking-for-mistakes" bot in Hive.vote to not miss the chance!! :)

Hahaha. It is good it was your voting power not directly your money :)

Some people see it as theirs :D

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I will admit I have targeted different accounts in the past because I have hopes I will get a big upvote from them. I think we all have at some point. I can't think of any account I have stopped interacting with though. My list of regular people I comment on is getting larger and larger every day!

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Perhaps, but I don't know. In the early days I didn't know about or there weren't most of the tools available today. I used to interact with whoever, not caring. I still do that a fair bit today as for example, reputation means very little to me. Comments I find valuable in some way get votes :)

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Well reputation has always been skewed thanks to the bid bots. They really should have started every over from 25 when they moved to Hive, but unfortunately they didn't.

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On the note is 5% stingy, I think it's all relative to what you think a post is worth. 11c is a good upvote amount. It also depends on who you're upvoting.

I tend to upvote newer or smaller users with a bigger upvote, but I also upvote some of the older users with a decent upvote too. I try to put more voting power behind users who show they are engaging more. This helps them grow.

I'm also conscious of my Hive voting power as I am in the process of trying to match my Hive upvote with my Leo upvote that way my upvote is worth double. I find there are a growing number of users who either use just Hive or just Leo. I like both platforms.

I think given your size and ability to reach more users, 11c is good. But dayum I wish I had of commented on one of your posts. A $2.5 Leo upvote would have been nice! 🤣🤣

That being said, I was hit with a Toruk once and that was $40 on it's own and felt pretty awesome.

So if you're ever feeling like dropping a full VP hit. I'd be more than happy to oblige as the receiver, one night only 🤣🤣🤣

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I tend to upvote newer or smaller users with a bigger upvote, but I also upvote some of the older users with a decent upvote too.

I just read the comment and vote on it - pretty much everyone gets the same, though some good ones will get more. I don't know who is new or old, as reputation isn't a good indicator, but if the comment is the kind that I would vote, it gets voted. The only exception is the people who I classify as disingenuous - who get nothing.

I put all of my tokens on one account that trails various others. I have my baby account also vote behind me on comments, as it adds LEO and other tokens to them too, whereas my own account is just Hive.

Accidents happen and sometimes I randomly just vote larger too. It is going to be fun when Hive is at 5 or ten dollars.

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Sounds great in theory, coin at $5 but there would need to be some serious rejigging of the voting system or it would crash the platform.

It would give so many people the ability to print overnight Millionaires. I think the $10 - $20 mark is the danger zone.

But who knows, what will happen.

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It definitely creates some problems, especially among some of the staked larger users who are hellbent on maximizing their own stake. Unfortunately, it has happened before, but this time around, we will have 2.5 free downvotes a day :)

Maybe not exactly what you were alluding to, but there is some rumor/hope of a future bHIVE on Cub Finance. These were from an SPinvest post a couple days ago.

SPinvest's HIVE POWER
I put a post out 2 days back to float the idea of powering down some of SPinvest HIVE POWER balance in the hope a bHIVE LP will be added to CUB den at some point.

This evening I pulled a 42,000 HP of leases and im likely to pull another 10,000 lease soon as well.

I guess time will tell. :)

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I think it would be very interesting if they do add it, as it add more dynamic movements and new games to confuse people.

Also....

"Oh, bHIVE!"
"bHIVE yourself!"

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The first story alone was funny enough to give you my 100% upvote. Spoiler: I'm far enough from being a whale to feel free to upvote 100% all the time anyway :)

:D

I used to do the same for a long time, but now I think it is better to spread it a little :)

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Of course - it's definitely more fair and it has to be.

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I don't think 5% is stingy, it is what you choose to use. You are one of the people that has a tendency to reward comments and you get a lot of them, and you always seem to manage to keep your vote above a dust level.

There are several people who's content I enjoy, so in order to maximize my vote I generally vote at the 25% level, this allows me more reach, but it is generally on post not comments. As I continue to grow my account I will continue to branch my voting out, not to maximize the return value but to maximize giving people a reason to continue using and posting on Hive.

Your small accident may be the one that keeps a new user trying to get more involved in learning about and using Hive.

I replied back...

TY !

And I was thinking like Holy Shizz?

It was just a Happy Belated B-Day wish. What would a Day Of up vote value have been? LOL

You can vote it back down if you like? :-)

Vote it back down? He'll no! It's all part of the fun.

Interesting case. I think your vote gave a lot more than these numbers under the comment. He gave joy.

I remember how nice it was to get votes for my first posts. This little good should come back to you.

By the way, did the error with interest happen by chance not after the massage?

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as a new user i can attest that all of the overlapping tribes, interfaces, tags, upvoting tokens can be kind of confusing / intimidating, but my main goal right now is to just be here and see what's going on.

i can say that the article quality and engagement level here is rather inspiring, and the breadth of what Hive has to offer means i'm bound to find something to read and somewhere to write.

thanks for sharing your perspective and helping build my understanding. to great things!

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I just heard I am right on the line of the dust level. Any comment I vote with anything but 100% the payout becomes dust... feelsbadman

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"As people start interacting regardless of votes, they tend to do better as they become more relaxed and build real relationships."
That's something I think #hive.blog is missing and to achieve it some changes must be made, I'm new compared to many around here who have been doing life since steemit, I am delighted with this platform, but certainly the interaction I have with other users is what keeps me here, although it is not given directly on the platform of hive, thing I consider very absurd, I bet for the elimination of discord channels, telegram... and that all that interaction that occurs by those other means is given directly here, but....
I loved this:
"my mistakes are someone else's victories" for sure many were surprised to receive such a vote for a comment.
www.deepl.com

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