Does a Hive account have value?
This is a question that we are going to keep coming back to in the future. Over time, this answer could be "yes".
Are we seeing a radical change in the way we operate? With the introduction of Web 3.0, is this new paradigm assigning value in a different way?
Most of us are accustomed to the "rules" of Web 2.0. For more than 15 years, we were indoctrinated into the system that the technology giants set up for us.
A lot of this is going to change over the next 5-10 years. As Web 3.0 grows, the ecosystem will spread into areas we never considered. Remember, part of this is a key-based system which can alter how we interact.
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Who Is In Control?
With Web 2.0, we are given accounts on different platforms. Go to most any site and it is free to sign up. This makes sense considering the model that it operated under. When people are the product, you want as many as possible.
Of course, they have full control. Essentially, your digital life is theirs. Whatever is done on that platform is with their permission. Stray outside the Terms of Service and you will find yourself vanishing in an instant. The control resides with them.
Up to this point, for most, it was not of great importance. It is true that many have businesses and when an account is closed, there is a financial hit. However, this is not the majority. Nevertheless, it is amazing how quickly years of engagement can be wiped out.
This is not going to be the case as we proceed forward. The digitization of our world is underway. For that reason, our "digital lives" are becoming more important. Hence, it only makes sense for one to have control.
With Web 3.0, this takes on an added dimension when we consider the fact there is a monetary component to the accounts. Since they are tied to wallet, we are dealing with something completely different. No longer are our financial and social media accounts separate. Would anyone want Mark Zuckerberg controlling their bank account?
What Is The Price For Freedom?
Why would anyone pay $3 for a Hive account? At this point, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The question is whether that will be true down the road?
We often discuss the idea of immutability when it comes to our content. Certainly that has a value. Over time, we are seeing more freedoms being eradicated. A large part of this deals with access. When accounts can be closed or frozen, one is not in control. This is a personal point of vulnerability. It is used to silence people. Here we are treading upon very dangerous ground. Therefore, the ability to present one's ideas is vital.
Obviously, anyone using the system at the moment takes this for granted. The fact that a Hive account cannot be closed is something few think about. However, it is a major innovation in the online world. That is not the case with Google, Facebook, or Twitter. Your digital identity and all that goes along with it is in their hands.
At the same time, we are also in full control of our wallet. This means the freedom to spend money where we want. Since the ability to close a Hive account does not exist, the inability to stop one's payments is also present. If lobbying Congress with money can be considered as freedom of speech, it only makes sense that all financial transactions fall into this category.
Either way, the ability to choose without restriction is part of having a Hive account. How much is that worth?
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The Price Of Access
We are seeing many applications start to expand their onboarding process. One of the ways this is being done is by enabling sign up and utilization through means other than having a Hive account.
What the development teams are doing is adding a layer of access that is limited. By using email, Google, Twitter, or Facebook log ins, people gain access to the applications or games. However, there is a limit to what can be done.
Typically, to enjoy the financial benefits, one is going to need a Hive account. Facebook accounts cannot get rewarded. One has to take control of his or her Hive account to claim the tokens or NFTs pertaining to that platform.
This is how the monetary features are accessed. Since this is going to be a large part of Web 3.0, this will become the norm. Perhaps signing up could move toward universal for initial access. However, anyone wanting the financial component is going to have to take another step.
Could we see a pay-to-play model forming?
Value Being Developed
The idea of using one account to log into a host of applications is not discussed a great deal. At the moment, it is not a huge factor. However, over time, we can see value increasing dramatically.
To start, the present version of the Internet requires a new list of friends/followers for each application. Google followers are not necessarily on Twitter. If they are, of course, there is no guarantee they follow on the second site.
With Hive, this is not a problem. A follower will see what one does, regardless of the application. Anything that is posted on-chain is there for all to see. This makes life a lot easier for those who are developing a brand.
Hive has a powerful account management system. Thus, we could see "Powered By Hive" as being important in the future. All accounts are personally named by the individual upon set up. The blockchain monitors all activity related to the account. Nobody is in control of it. Thus the digital identity is safe as long as one protects his or her keys.
As more applications and games are developed, the value of a Hive account only increases. Imagine the day when one account will access over 1,000 applications. To some, that might seem like a lot yet the number is already over 100. In another couple years, with all that is taking place, this number will grow a great deal.
If communities are indeed the future, the idea of being able to access hundreds of them with a single account is very appealing.
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HiveAuth
On the recent episode of CryptoManiacs, we talked with @arcange. He is about to release Hive Authentication Services (Or HiveAuth). This is a key management tool that is going to change how we access different websites. It was also the inspiration for this article.
While this might not seem to be a big thing, if we step back, we can see the potential.
One of the functions is powerful password management tool. From what we can understand, one will be able to put in passwords along with keys. This means the application will have great appeal since it will work with the Web 2.0 site. However, that is only the tip of the iceberg.
How would you like to further ensure the security of your car? Today, if someone gets your keys, that person can drive the car. That is the access feature. While technology is changing, HiveAuth could end up a solution down the road. This is something Arcange brought up.
What if, before the car turned on, it required authentication on your phone. The same way it looks to access a website would also apply to your vehicle. Obviously the technology is not there yet but consider the concept of using a Hive account to access your car.
The point being that we are dealing with the very early days of Web 3.0. The above example shows how real world, physical objects will end up being tied to these "online" accounts. It is part of the merging of the physical with the digital world.
Therefore, if we see continued development of applications tied to Hive, what is that worth? Will there, at some point, suddenly be great value in having a Hive account? The account management system at the base layer is decentralized, reliable, and robust.
Web 2.0 was free simply because the companies were seeking to generate data. This was accomplished the more people used the platform. It is something most are aware of today. As time passes, one of the promises of Web 3.0 is a new data structure.
Does this also mean a different value proposition. Could we see a time when a Hive account has great value simply because of all it offers?
This is something to mull over. What are your thoughts?
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This actually has me thinking that instead of just claiming my account creation tokens I should maybe start creating accounts for some of my friends with them. They might not be ready for it right now, but one day they might be interested and having the account already claimed and setup for them might be a good idea. I am going to have to ponder that some more. Just have to reach out to them and figure out their preferred account name.
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Well as long as you have the accounts, you can give it to your friends at any time. They might not be ready for it so why do it now? Then you only have to concern yourself with all those keys and what not.
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True, but my thinking is what if there starts being a charge or things really blow up and the username they want gets taken. Think of it like squatting domains back in the day. Except this is much less nefarious and I am just trying to help out my friends. Also much less lucrative!
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Well squatting names could be a reason for doing that but, then again, is it usually hard to get the username you want. By now, most people have stuff that isnt duplicated.
Sure it might be great to get Johnsmith but is it really that important?
I see your point just not sure I agree that username is going to be that crucial unless you are trying to nab McDonalds.
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It also could be the prompt they need to finally get started. They might never come to me and say hey, I want in that blockchain you are on, but if I say I am creating your account, what do you want it to be, they might be more prone to get active on the chain. I could see my one friend all over Hive if 3Speak had a mobile app he could easily record and upload videos in the field.
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That might be true. No idea what is going to push your friends into it other than you having some major bank in your wallet to flash before them. That seems to get people's attention.
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This is such an interesting perspective in general, I never thought about the worth of a HIVE account.
It's always down to the use cases - if there are more games like Splinterlands, or if the blogging platform experiences big growth; the HIVE account will be worth more and more.. Or you could just say it's worth as much as you need to pay for it.
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Just think if more communities are created that are of interest to people. There are already a couple games that have communities (non-Hive) like Axie Infinity. This is something that could spread.
Of course, once ProjectBlank comes out, I think we are going to be dealing with an entirely new conversation.
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If we talk about its monetary value, then according to the Hive Wallet, mine is currently worth $2397.54 USD, but this does not count second layer (Hive Engine) tokens, nor Splinterlands assets. If we count these too, then it is obviously worth more. The Hive Wallet counts just/only the assets in the Hive Wallet.
The idea is more than just what is in some people's wallet.
It is rather focusing upon is there value in a Hive account? Should people have to pay for them? Would they?
With all that is going to be offered in the future, it is worth $3 or $5 for the benefits?
Only time will tell but as more is created along with the opportunity, we could see it having value.
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I pictured you thinking about someone building up their brand, such as yourself, Mr Taskmaster, or perhaps someone a little more as anonymous-plenty of those here. then someday just selling the account, or passing it on on... Kinda like Batman passing the torch down.
The potential value is included in their overall value, not just what's in front of you. perhaps the account is like a business after all ...I believe that was a topic of yours recently. People pay big money for established businesses, right? So, the potential is certainly there. Well.. We're all gonna die anyway, right...so we'll hopefully pass our keys down...assuming we outlive the chain, that is 🙀
Maybe someday we could even see someone-the money manager, or whatever, starting up 'pre loaded accounts' that were made with X amount invested and setup with delegations and h\e tokens or whatever so it would be be profitable and sustainable off the rip. Maybe the manager gets a set fee or delegation for that work. Heck, people are probably already doing that.
Some interesting possibilities.
Of course, with an individual, the brand tends to die with the person unless that person is like Elvis or someone.
Nevertheless, we are going to be in a new world of monetization. With IP starting to get crushed, how does one monetize him or herself. It is an interesting proposition.
Even someone's videos, down the road, are not going to be his or hers. They will be hosted by communities which changes everything.
Of course, I believe, long term, we are heading for a post monetary society. That is decades in the future but I believe, maybe by 2050, we will see something completely different evolving.
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I like the car example. It could be extended to doors, safes and pretty much anything that requires an access code or key!
Yes I like the idea of the car example. I already use my phone for added security for google and YouTube. So I could see HiveAuth for added security.
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Arcange has a lot of good ideas I am sure. We will see what it looks like when it rolls out next week.
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There is no way I am technical enough to ponder all the use cases that Arcange could some up with. Hell I woudlnt even know how the car situation would work.
Yet he understands security like few do so I believe he will extend the capabilities of HiveAuth as time passes.
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Yeah, I have been watching/supporting his Proposal on it and it looks quite promising even though it is also outside my realm of technical knowledge to grasp it all.
It is a great combination.
Blocktrades obsesses over scalability and Arcange over security. Between the two (along with others) we are covered.
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I totally agree there. The work they (and of course others) do is awesome.
While I often have a hard time wading through all the technical jargon (which is obviously necessary) I do at least enjoy trying to wrap my head around it and grasp the potential (and impact) of their projects.
I am with you. I dont follow it all but I do try my best to at least follow the progression. That is vital, to see where they were starting from and how this is unfolding.
So I might not understand the bits and bytes, I try to get my head around the big picture.
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I wonder if we shall see the emergence of a secondary market where people buy and sell Hive accounts along with their Hive power, reputation and resource credits.
The only reason this hasn't happened already is because there is no marketplace. But as soon as someone builds a marketplace where you can trade accounts...
That might happen although the account itself doesnt have the value, other than the assets in it. The reputation comes from the person behind the account, not the account itself.
So I am not sure why buying, Theycallmedan's account would provide any benefit.
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Web 2.0 was never free, people just didn't realize they had a product that they could get paid for.
The analogy I use when I try to explain this concept to "normies" is, imagine you buy a house. You live there for 20 years, then one day you go up in the attic and see a door that you never noticed was there.
You open the door, and there's some dude living in there. You ask him wtf he's doing in your house, and he says "What do you mean? I've been paying rent to Mark Zuckerberg for the past 20 years."
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Yeah it is a different world we are creating. There is so much novel that it will take people a while to wrap their head around it all.
We are going to have to phase people into this. They will not grasp it overnight. However, a few reference points they understand and then we can add a few more. Over time, they will get it. The internet wasnt understood by most at the beginning either.
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Just means we are in the earlier stages where we can capitalize before the masses come in.
Something something early adopter advantage.
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Without a doubt. Being ahead of the curve is important. Just think what many people's Hive account (with all the other tokens) will look like in 2 years. That will be far ahead of those people joining at that point.
Plus, we will likely see higher values for many of them.
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Seeing LOTS more development happening around Hive and I love it! Even seeing development on the layer two tokens like LEO as everything continues to expand. I still feel it's going to be up to the development team and business to create the account and delegate some resources to those new accounts. That means some type of check would need to be put into place to spot and remove fake/spam accounts. Or does that even matter in web3? I would think it would.
I don't feel people will pay for web3 but instead it's earned over time by the quality of your posts. Once you have enough hive in your account powered up that the delegated resource can be removed I feel it should be and just continue to cycle like that. Or a time delegation of 30-90 days and cycled away.
What I do know are things are shifting and their shifting quickly away from web2. (quickly meaning in the next 5-10 years) which is actully faster then the internet adoption of 15-20 years. When you really think back on it platforms like Facebook/Twitter etc are actully young but they have already hit their max cycles and looking to now be replaced by the next big thing. That next big thing is web3 and HIVE!
The digital world moves much faster than the physical. Billion dollar companies are created in less time than ever before. However, as you pointed out, the life cycle is also likely much shorter. The Moat, as Buffett likes to say, is not as wide as it was before.
We are watching the paradigm shift and it will be interesting to see where Hive falls in all this. The Hive account could have great value, especially with all the development taking place. With HAF being worked upon, we are going to see a lot more opportunities for developers to build on Hive. That will only drive more value.
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Indeed... I can see the whole Internet of Things world colliding with Web3 in a meaningful way. The digital connection to physical items and places—enabled/enhanced by Web3—may well become the true manifestation of the Metaverse.
It is going to be interest. The IoT was a term that died out. Another hype cycle that got ahead of itself, like the term "Metaverse".
IoT isnt dead just in hibernation. We are going to see the convergence in the future though, you are correct.
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I'm lucky enough that I got my hive account for free. It was created automatic from my steemit ID. I was inactive for several years in steemit and hive but now both platform are my favorite.
Very well explained blog you’ve shared. But still I've a question in my mind. Does paid accounts (hive) has any extra facility that free accounts don't have?
No they do not.
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Thank you so much sir for your kind reply 💖
Yes, Hive accounts most definitely have value.
With their most basic function being that they afford the holder censorship-resistance, this is extremely valuable.
But taking it a step further, certain Hive accounts are more valuable than others.
As edicted puts it, Hive accounts are essentially NFTs.
While every NFT offers censorship-resistance, each of these individual NFTs (Hive accounts) has other properties that are uniquely theirs.
Properties such as cool usernames are one, but you also have to consider intangibles like reputation.
Are you more likely to listen to an account who has a strong standing within the community or a total n00b?
While right now we compare writers who have been here since 2017 to writers who just signed up, consider what will happens when the Chinese Government gets onto Hive?
Yes their account will afford them the same censorship-resistance as everyone else, but they certainly won't have the same reputation within the community and people will find it hard to trust what they say.
See how this intangible adds another layer of value to Hive accounts?
Something you certainly can't say about accounts on 99% of other blockchains.
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That is true. Reputation on Web 3.0 is going to be completely different. Those who are doing things will garner the reputation based upon those actions. Regardless of how it is quantified, people will know who are the movers and shakers.
It is a bit hard to break into since time is required. There will be no shortcuts.
Yet those who put in the effort will become their own unique digital characters.
Who knows we all might have avatars in 10 years.
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Oh no! I even struggle to catch up with 10. I think I need some mental stretching.
That would be great! Among billions of car owners all over the world, those who can access their car through a Hive account would be considered very rare!
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LOL I am not sure how he is going to get the car companies to sign on but that is up to Arcange.
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!gif hive
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One solution would be to create my own car company 😁
Be sure to tokenize it so the rest of us can invest in it.
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Big fat NO.
This post is very informative and eye opening mostly when it comes to web.2 and web.3, thank you for sharing.
My hive account is very important to me.
And is growing in value each day. Hopefully you are adding to what is in there both on the base and second layer. However, with each new application, the Hive account has more use cases.
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We thank God for growth, thank you for noticing.
Yes, hive need to be out there like BTC.
Hive has a lot of "BTC" in it from the sense that it is decentralized.
We are seeing the projects being built which is helpful. Thus we need to keep pushing people forward.
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Generally speaking, great value of something means rarity of this thing. Increased use of web 3.0 should conduct to the creation of numerous platforms more or less similar to Hive. Competition should be consequently tough. Who will be the winners ? Those who will provide with the best innovations not necessarily the first arrived. Hope Hive will remain at the top.
Depending upon what your metric is, I am not sure Hive is at the top right now. But that is okay. We have a lot of people who simply put their heads down and are working/building. This will help Hive to rise over time.
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Your comment is encouraging regarding the future of Hive. That's good to read.
There is a lot going on so hopefully what I envision starts to come to fruition.
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This is a very good post and I am impressed how you plotted logic here to cover your grounds.
A single hive account has a value, but how? It is only when a single account is switched on to other supported apps an games.
Your logic is awesome and I think this would be true in the days to come.Visionary post,
And the value grows as more apps/games are available.
We are seeing expansion in this area. How will this unfold in the next few years? That is going to be exciting to see.
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Yeah,surely.
Next 5 years would be the period that would be revolutionary in the field of blockchain empowered HIVE.
Growing like skyrockets, ha ha.
Have a nice day,👍😃
Hoping so. That is where I am placing my bet. We will see how it turns out but there are a lot of people showing up daily to help this along.
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The question should be why anyone wouldn't pay $3 for a Hive account?...
You get others for free, but they are good to grab by their true owners when you become "disobedient".
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For those who understand the value and what is already here, it is a no-brainer. However, few see that at this time. We need to build a great deal more for that to happen.
However, we are nearing a time when the offerings on Hive will be so robust it cannot be ignored.
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That's true,to achieve the token you need to register on Hive and have hive account. There's many ways we are preaching about Hive now.
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I think a Hive account can be worth quite a lot when we have more applications like Spllinterlands. They will come for the applications we have on Hive and it's more than just a blogging account. Just take a look at the current Hive system, you can play games or even participate in Defi via Diesel pools.
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Well I think the fact that you have access to all the different games and apps, regardless of the size is what adds value.
After all, if someone is new, what is the value of Splinterlands to him or her if not in it? The potential is there naturally but no guarantee the person will end up with anything there.
Yet the opportunity exists and that is what is vital.
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Hive account was once created for free, now with time it cost only 3 usd. Now, in future if it cost more than 3, that means more good features are down the road. Regarding how much it is worth, it can only be judged by the social freedom, and financial freedom Hive provides. Till now, Hive has just progressed like it truly knows where to head for.
You bring up a good point. It does have value above and beyond just the monetary value that is generated by our activity. However, what is the price for that? Some would say it cannot be calculated.
Either way, we know that most accounts that are active have more than $3 in them. Hence, it does pay for itself in a short period of time.
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Luckily, I don't have to right now because they're free, but if I had to pay for a HIVE account today knowing what I know... I would pay at least $20. Maybe even more.
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That is true because of what you know. Will people know that in the future? Time will tell.
However, the more use cases, the greater the value. So we will see how it all unfolds. Yet for an ecosystem that is basically 2 years told, we are making great strides.
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Yep. I think 2 more years will lead to even greater strides by building on previous successes.
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I agree completely. Things are compounding on every level. The more activity, the more interest from others.
We have to keep the train rolling as they say. There is a role for each of us.
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I wonder if anyone has ever tried to apply this idea to the drug war. While it wouldn't change the legal status of the substance, the methods law enforcement could utilize to obtain evidence, and prosecute could be altered... especially when it comes to asset forfeiture. Or maybe I'm just going off half cocked without putting any actual thought into it... that's most probable.
LOL I dont know. That would be an interesting defense if some attorney tried it.
Of course, that would be one that would have to work its way up to the Supreme Court.
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I dropped a quick post the other day that pondered this a little deeper and now I can't seem to stop thinking about it.
How does it affect basic taxation? How does one differentiate between free speech and taxable speech? What authority by which can they claim to decide under?
If speech is monetized is it free at all?
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There is so much taking place that it is amazing. We are embarking upon a lot of interesting ideas and paradigm shifts.
These are important topics to think about since cryptoeconomics is a radically different concept.
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Potentially an account to access and earn on the chain could be worth some USD in the future. I believe first we need true mainstream adaption and an onslaught of users. Creating an account for FREE is easy to do these days. If someone does have oodles of sign up tokens they could potentially make some currency with them by selling them to the current and future Hive Projects who might be in need of them. Stack those account creation tokens if you can.
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Once we have better transitions & WEB2 onboarding, we can create custodian accounts that issue ownership on credit. Basically if someone wants a Hive account they can get it, but in order to actually gain access to the owner key they'd need to pay the fee (in this case $3 / 3 Hive). I hear they are talking about reducing the fee to 1 Hive, but that's not going to have the intended effect should Hive end up going x10 or whatever.
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The price is relative, you are correct. If the price heads up to $10, then they need to charge .1 HIVE to keep things relative.
So it is going to be an interesting situation. It is one of the bottlenecks we presently have. How we overcome it is up in the air. One thing I know is I keep claiming accounts each week to help out.
Over time, we will get it right. For now, those who see value in the accounts and get active will be happy campers down the road.
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I think in the future having a Hive wallet could indeed be a hot ticket. When I joined Hive it was free but you paid back the 15 hive loaned to you which I think was smart as it made you active immediately wanting to clear your debt. I don't think you can put a price on something that can generate a fortune for you and the 3 or 5 Hive currently should remain as it still shows commitment by whoever is signing up. What happens when Hive is at $10 will be interesting to see as I am sure everyone will still pay the going rate as it is an investment.
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The access that Hive is going to provide is amazing. We are looking at a Freemium model developing. The difference is the premium allows the opportunity to earn more money.
This is a truly amazing concept.
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Great minds think alike. According to @edicted it will cost 3k
here is his post https://www.proofofbrain.io/@edicted/new-milestone-3k-account-tokens What are the odds??? the two most productive guys on Hive talk about the value of a Hive account on the same day.
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He copied me. That is how he got through school by the way.
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Hive account is the only WEB 3 account you will ever need to create. $3 is nothing for that kind of freedom.
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Bold statement. But I agree with you. There will be other projects yet I do not see them branching out in as many different directions as we are.
Give us another 6 months of development and we can see how much of a different things can be.
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I keep repeating myself. Hive is the place to be. Hive is the future.
I did pay, I think 3 dollars for my account. Back when it was that other Blockchain.
I could have got it free if I waited x number of days. But I wanted in.
Any one else remember those days? Feels like 100 years ago. Lol
I have a tough time remember lunch to be honest with you. Oh yeah, it was a tuna sandwich.
Hard to argue with this logic.
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"Web 2.0 was free simply because the companies were seeking to generate data. This was accomplished the more people used the platform. It is something most are aware of today."
Yes, people are realizing at last that they are the product. Their lives--everything about them has become income for people other than themselves. WEB3.0 is to 2.0 what entrepreneurship is to indentured servitude.
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You are correct. We are entering a new realm whereby people get rewarded for the actions they take. No matter how small the reward, it is still more than traditional entities are paying.
This is where people need to realize how powerful this is.
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Wallet is safe under layers of security being built within system. Personal Will must reflect the keys, for family members to gain access, or it will remain on Hive forever, viable business plan in assisting where non-technical family members require assistance.l
HiveAuth fully supported, any additional layers securing the blockchain are a bonus.
Payment for service would become viable, on-boarding initially allow free access percentage taken on publications should be automatic to keep the system running. More than one account, private or business should have a charge, once people settle decide how the business model fits into new environment.
Hive accounts do have immense value. Every day I have a great time with Hive earning crypto. There are people that run around trying to get their hands on these accounts because they never expire and the demand keeps rising day by day.
I think a Hive account has value for exactly the reasons you mention, ownership of the money making apparatus and control of the money. I think this gives a Hive Account great value. As for price, it’s what people focus on, to their detriment.
Warren Buffer once said:
I think Hive is a great value, especially at the current price.
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