I'm one of those guys...You know, you're watching a TV show or movie with me and when people start shooting I start calling bullshit on it.
You know what I mean, they shoot at someone 22 times without changing magazines on their handgun, or they shoot the handgun or rifle sideways, they run and shoot one handed or the gun fires and there's no visible recoil. One of the worst ones is the way people hold guns to shoot them! I call it out; All of it!
My wife finds it funny too; This is good because the alternative is she finds it annoying and that would be problematic. She finds it funny and often joins in on calling out the stupidity; She shoots well herself and under my instruction has learned all the right things.
I get it though, it's a movie and not real life...But when someone in a moving vehicle shoots one-handed whilst driving, out the window, at a car 100m away with the intention of shooting a tyre out and actually does it? Come on. Really? Let me help here with the answer...NO, not really.
There's a way to shoot right, and hit things, and...Well all the other dumb-ass ways.
The grip on a handgun, especially a semi-automatic handgun as shown above, is absolutely critical to the accuracy and even the effective operation of the gun. Did you know that a loose one-handed grip on a semi-auto can tear the gun from ones grip? It can also cause the spent case to get jammed as it is being ejected which means the next round won't chamber and the gun is rendered useless unless cleared. You don't want that happening in a firefight as you're driving down the freeway chasing some bad guys!
Here (above) you can see my wife Faith demonstrating the correct grip. Both thumbs pointing the same way down-range, right hand snuggly on the grip. Her left palm is contacting the grip with the ball of her thumb pressed there also, fingers extend around and over those of her right hand. If you could see the right side of the gun you would see her left fingers gripping over the right and her trigger finger full-extended down the frame of the gun. Trigger discipline. At no time does a finger go near the trigger, unless a shot is being made; Even when the gun is empty as it was here.
It's not perfect, I would prefer to see her left hand tilted forward away from her body a little more which would allow the palm more contact with the gun. The gun is not in the right postition to shoot here though so that's probably why her wrists are a little angled backwards. It's pretty good though.
In this position she can aim properly and manage the recoil. She has equal pressure on the gun, left and right, and can effect a shot and have a chance of hitting something.
In the shot directly above she would hit nothing though. You can tell the gun is not even close to the line of sight of her right eye. It's aiming off to the right and the front is high. She would hit zero things, at least not what she wanted to hit. But it worked for the photo.
I watched a movie the other day, in which a woman was shooting. She had a right-hand grip and her left was wrapped around the wrist of the right arm, not even holding the gun!. It was a dumb movie, and a dumb handgun grip. The movie was Austin Powers International Man of Mystery and the actor was Elizabeth Hurley. It was hilarious because Faith called out, look at her grip and burst out laughing. That's my girl!
I get it, it's just movies...However people see it and think that's how it actually is when in reality vary rarely does one see proper firearm use in movies, with the exception of a few of the better military-themed ones I guess.
I see the results when I take people to the range. They want to shoot two guns at once, turn the handgun sideways, throw the shots gangsta-style (idiots) and do any number of other things that they learned by playing a video game or by watching a movie or TV show, even paintballing and Airsoft. It's not the same.
Shooting takes skill. No, you can't just pick up a gun and be good at it, certainly not when the target is at range, or moving. No, shooting one handed isn't going be very accurate especially at range or if you, or the target, is moving. No, you can't just keep shooting without reloading.
I enjoy watching movies and shows, and part of that is watching how badly they mess up the firearms handling and usage. It's often better than the movie itself. However it's a little irresponsible in my opinion as it gives people a false idea of what it's all about.
The internet is full of examples of what goes wrong when firearms are not treated correctly or with respect and to some degree I blame the false images from movies, games and TV shows...But mostly people's stupidity.
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I tried a Glock 22 one-handed. Probably one in five rounds jammed; as I just didn't have the wrist strength to handle the recoil.
The Glock 17 I could fire one-handed all day :)
Exactly! I'm glad someone picked up on that point.
They make us shoot one handed sometimes in IPSC. Also with our weak hand...Left if right handed etc. It's designed to simulate being shot in the arm or shoulder and having to stay in the fight. I practice it. Am ok with it but at range it's almost impossible. Usually they set the range at around 5-25m but sometimes more.
One handed shooting isn't like it is in the movies. Those guns have reduced loads and light recoil springs so little recoil so cases eject cleanly.
Hahaha, guns in movies are props and they are mostly loaded with blanks. Some guys hold their guns like we hold an ice cream cone :)
A true story, I was at 1 SAI (Infantry School) and we had to train the girls from another camp on the shooting range. We laid the down on their stomachs showing and demonstrating how to pull the R1 semi-auto rifles into the shoulder and a lot of loading and other tricks.
Finally the order came for action and they were told that when a rifle malfunctions, to lay the rifle down and to simply raise their hand. Bam, bam, bam, they all stated firing. Now hear this; the one chicky gets up, swings around, aims the rifle at us while clicking away, shouting that her rifle doesn't work.
Needless to say we all hit the deck like one.
At times I still dream about it and that was years ago :)
Haha! Yep that happens all the time! I've seen it happen at the range. People don't have that ingrained awareness a shooter does generally. They don't think.
Do you recall that actor, Jon-Erik Hexham? He shot himself whilst joking around on the set of a move, Cover up. Put a handgun with a blank in it to his head not realising the gases released would pop his head like a melon, which is what happened. Poor dumb bastard. I blame him...One never points the muzzle of a gun at something they don't want to shoot, and the set master at arms for not properly explaining the concept of a blank.
There is no end to the stupidity some show with guns. And yet, no gun ever jumped up and killed someone, there's always a person behind it.
Hahaha, "there's always a person behind it".
Yeah, we were taught on the farm never to touch a gun unless you mean to use it. I had an old .22 rifle, can't remember the make, maybe Remington, or Mauser and sadly killed many Guinea fowl with it. For eating of course as my aunt had one of those big cast iron stoves and she was a magician with the oven.
Taught by my uncle how to use it, holding breath, squeezing trigger and all of that. Stood me in good stead many years later in the army, as one of the top marksmen. They issued little medals, a rifle on a brass frame to pin above the pocket of your shirt and I had one of them.
Impressed that you are teaching your wife how to handle a gun. Now I have no gun and just as well, as if I were to try and teach my wife, her erratic manner will kill both of us lol. Besides, she hates guns :)
I taught Faith how to shoot out to 1km which she can do repeadedly. Women are more patient and easier to teach I think. She doesn't know the science behind it, but as far as pulling the trigger, the actual shooting of the gun, she's very good.
She has the goal to shoot as far out as I do (1 mile+) but I'm not sure how she'll go. Maybe someday. She's determined.
You can only teach a person that wants to learn and Faith sounds like an excellent student.
Beware, maybe one day she will match the master hahaha
Haha, well, if she does I'll be happy, she can protect the compound and I'll do the cooking...She hates cooking, and so is not the best at it by her own admission. She can shoot, I'll cook. 😂
Somehow I think that will never happen my friend. You are too much of a gun lover to allow her to do all of the shooting.
Or maybe you will in that situation load the muffins with gunpowder to use as hand grenades hahaha.
Hehe, I guess I'm not the only one that automatically counts the shots in movies and TV. Too many years of training and habit. I have seen them get a little better over the years, at least many of them do actually show the reloading now. I remember rewinding the tape many times (back in the day) of the Dirty Harry Movie. "Did he fire six shots, or only five"?
The curse of a shooter I think...Counting rounds. I can't remember what I was watching last week but I counted 22 rounds then lost count and the guy was still firing. The other thing is when they walk into a situation, realise they need a gun pull it from the holster and fire 3 rounds then realise there's no more! Seriously? You load three rounds into your semi-auto? 😂
What do you do when that happens? Slap in one of your two spare Mags? NO. Throw the gun! 🤔🤣
Laughable. It turns a serious movie into a comedy for me.
lol, no doubt, my wife is constantly telling me. Let go of the reality, it's just a movie. I tell her I know, but I can't, why is this so hard for them to get right when they can pull off all this other detail magic?
Yep, I've heard that too...The funny thing is that now Faith pipes up with, "as if," or "no way that shot would have happened," or "how many bullets are in that gun anyway," or some such hilarious comments. She's a keeper.
Still, sometimes she says, "can't you just enjoy the movie?" That's when I shut up...But in my head I'm still scoffing at the movie-gun-stupidity!
I wonder that some people don't know how to handle and treat guns but they are using it all time. As a newbie in art, I don't even treat my art instruments wrongly .
Most cops here don't know how to effectively shoot, or handle guns. They have a laughable qualification process and rarely actually shoot. Once a year. Most of them are not licensed to have firearms as private people, just at work. They do not even use the same hun from day to day so the firearm isn't sighted in for their particular eye. It's laughable.
I don't expect a person who hasn't handled guns to know how to do so...But those who use them should know. Most cops don't. It's pretty scary really.
We had a case here where a guy was brandishing a knife in a mall...A female cop pulled her gun to shoot him and ended up shooting three innocent bystanders instead. Completely missed the guy and hit people sitting in a cafe. True story.
This is extremely frightening situation.
In what way do you find it frightening?
I find it frightening from above-mentioned story about female cop. If this is how they are trained, then we have to bear the brunt of their inadequate training.
Yes, I agree. Most cops, here in Australia at least, have no clue how to shoot properly and then when some pressure is applied their shooting becomes worse again. It is a little concerning for sure, especially as the crime rate rises and they will be forced to use their sidearms more.
I agree they do dumb gun stuff in movies all the time. Some movies are more egregious than others. It usually doesn't disrupt my enjoyment of the film, but on occasion it really breaks the flow.
And I love when people punch the gun forward when they shoot. That helps the bullets go faster, right? :)
Ah, that throwing action is funny, but I cringe. The target would have to be in the same room, and even then may not get hit. It's ridiculous. Sideways shooting also is.
I don't enjoy the movie less, in fact for me it gives me a different aspect to laugh at, even if the movie isn't a comedy. Lol.
I reserve a special level of scorn for people who talk about knowing about guns because they play video games.
Ah yes, playing video games giving you the knowledge of the thing you are doing in them. I have watched a few movies that make fun of that, it's pretty great.
There's a video on YouTube of a gamer on a gun range with a weapons instructed. The guy can't even get the gun loaded as his thumbs aren't strong enough to push the rounds into the gun. I'll see if I can find it. It's pretty funny.
I got a few guns, hunting rifle is the best, great scopes on it, can hit a matchstick with it at distance, got a shotgun, pump action, sawn off (sorry officer) That was how it came to me as is, sawn. And 2 hand guns, all good fun, never shot anyone (yet) not guns that kill, tis people. :-)
You've got a few then. Do you shoot much and what hunting can you do? What game? Interested to hear about the rifle and scope combination.
Nahh the shooting and the armour seems legit to me..............
Oh yeah, Ned Kelly. This it totally legit. Not.
Old Ned is lucky I wasn't around; I would have put one through the visor slit and ended the whole show. I would have fired it from the hip, one handed, with my eyes closed, facing the other way, whilst jumping over a fallen tree and doing a double half pike barrel roll reverse twist body roll. Legit. I might have had to fire 13 bullets from my 6-shooter without reloading though.
Well this is your area of expertise, so I'll bow down to your superior knowledge and skill set as much as I love Ned Kelly. Your post also made me think of the people who go to a shooting range once and then think they're Jesse James crossed with Jason Bourne.
Haha, yeah those people...We see it all the time at the range. They hit something with a bullet and they're like, Desert Eagle this, and Glock that! Idiots. It's the same with gamers. Plays video games, knows everything about guns. Dicks.
I like Ned Kelly too. Truth be told I would probably have been on his side not the soldiers. Lol. I would have been the one dude in the gang who knew how to shoot. Lol.
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Just your usual reminder I'm going to be peppering you with questions about everything XD (and then you'll get mad at me because I might use far future tech as an excuse for artistic license to do terrible things)
...the holding the wrist with the off-hand thing is something I never understood o_O
I've drawn one handed sideways gun before XD It was purely for aesthetics though, at the time I wasn't sure if a gun could be shot one handed but I did know they probably shouldn't be sideways (and that was purely because I've handled an unloaded gun before and the balance is super weird when it's sideways I don't know why anyone would deliberately try and shoot it like that).
Feel free to question away for sure. I also just uploaded one about some reloading equipment.
Holding the wrist and not the gun will provide zero stability. It's the gun, the recoil, that needs management, not the wrist. Still, Elizabeth Hurley was wearing a nicely-tight jump-suit at the time so it worked. Lol.
The sideways gun thing is dumb Literally no reason for it. It even looks stupid.
Although, when I am shooting one handed I always cant the gan inwards, if my right hand then it's tilted slightly left and if the gun is in my left then I tilt it slightly right. Not much mind you, just a little. It provided a little extra stability. I also change my whole stance to make sure more of my shoulder is behind the gun to provide some recoil management. It's all designed to be able to shoot accurately and back up faster with subsequent shots.
Anyway, ask anything, I don't mind.
Mate, I feel your pain. Just endless shooting, and no reloads in sight! Though I wonder if they just cut-out those parts to save on time, and focus more on the action, but to anyone who's enthusiastic about guns, it's rather peculiar... Funny, at best :-)
Reading this post, I'm actually trying to remember which movies have the best, and the worst display of gunsmanship. Those ones who are more focused on realistic combat have the best ones, most of the time. I recalled Siege of Jadotville having quite a focus on firearms.
I watched Ronin last night and there was a classic!
This guy was shooting from a car, right handed, and he gripped the top of his right wrist, like where a watch would sit, with his left hand and proceeded to shoot...I have no clue what that was supposed to do, but it was bloody hilarious!
Look hard enough and most movies will have a classic example of what not to do.
Ah, I've heard of Ronin, but I haven't watched it yet. Though for me, I'm more into the car chases, which I hear are pretty awesome in that movie, than the guns (but I like those ones too )! Other than war movies, I think the most satisfying action thriller with guns in them, that I've seen so far, is Leon The Professional.
I haven't made any keen observations, but I don't think it's realistic, more so its visually and audibly pleasing, at least to someone who's not as knowledgable in firearms... :-)
Robin is very European in the style of movie...I guess a bit of a forerunner to the Bourne movies. Pretty good cast and some good acting...Except that dude with the wrist-hold shooting style. Bloody pelican! Lol.
It's worth a look. Decent car chases.
Cheers, I'm bookmarking that one for sure! On that note, if you haven't watched it yet, maybe give Leon a try. Tragic stuff, full of guns and shooting. And then there's Jean Reno, the most badass Frenchie I've ever seen...