The LEO Dilemma: Changing the Way I Curate Content

in LeoFinance4 months ago

With all of the growth we've seen in the LeoFinance community lately, it's become more and more apparent that we have a need for diverse content. We've all discussed this at length through posts, comments and interactions on Discord.

While it's important that we continue to talk about LEO - especially fundamental concepts for new users and also feedback/ideas for recently added and desired features - it's equally important (or arguably more so) that we have diverse content on LeoFinance.

Many have already jumped into this argument and I think it's pretty straightforward. Our goal is not to be a platform for LeoFinance people to talk about LeoFinance. Our goal is to be a platform that merges the best of what blockchain technology has to offer with the best of what content creation and social media has to offer. Our aim is to give readers a high quality experience where they can read, learn and enjoy crypto and finance content while rewarding the authors who provide that experience.

Changing the Way I Curate

I curate nearly every post that is made through https://leofinance.io. I do this both with my personal account (this one) and the official LeoFinance curation account (@leo.voter).

The incentives are that upvotes from my personal account carry a decent amount of LEO (mostly from the trail of users that follow my vote for high quality LEO content).

Additionally, my upvote is what determines the featured content on the homepage of LeoFinance. It uses a simple algo that takes my vote weight and how long I waited to vote on a piece of content in order to rank its quality relative to others.

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The content I upvote also populates the /curated page (Curator's Picks):

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So the incentives from my curation are:

  • More LEO rewards
  • Featured on the homepage/Curator's Picks feed
  • More HIVE rewards - @leo.voter upvotes (currently at 1.8M HP)

Prioritizing Non-LEO Content

I still love LEO content and can't emphasize that enough. Any time I see a post about LeoFinance that gives us constructive feedback/a glimpse of LeoFinance through the user's perspective, I read it and take notes. I'll often upvote it too.

With that said, a change is necessary on LeoFinance. We need more diverse content creation and more diverse content curation. It's more important now than ever before that we create a vibrant experience both for our existing user base and for the incoming readers and new users who come to https://leofinance.io to read/engage with crypto and financial content that has nothing to do with LEO at all.

As you can see from the home page screenshot and Curator's Pick screenshot above, I've been changing the way I curate already.

I'm giving priority upvotes to anyone who posts about general cryptocurrency info. Some of my favorite examples are:

There are so many examples of diverse content being created. People who are creating more generalized content that is relevant to people outside of LeoFinance. I feel bad displaying only 9 content creators here as I know I'm leaving many other great ones out of this list. This list is simply the last several posts that I've personally curated which are non-LEO related from authors who I know to write great content consistently.

How Will My Voting Habits Change Specifically?

The beauty of a proof of stake setup (like the one LEO has for determining rewards distribution to content creators/curators) is that your stake is your voice.

When you upvote something, you're telling the whole world that you believe this particular piece of content and its author deserve x amount of LEO for their hard work. Unlike holding something like ETH where your stake general doesn't give you a say in what happens on that network, holding LEO gives you a voice.

When you hodl LEO as LEO POWER (staked LEO), your stake is your voice and you get to voice your opinion each day as you upvote content on our community's platform.

Nobody can tell you how to use your stake. We can discuss ideas and talk about why one way of voting is better or worse than another from our subjective points of view, but nobody will take your stake away for upvoting only LEO content. If you're a LEO stakeholder and you decide to only upvote content that has LEO in the title, that is completely your choice. Nobody will punish you for doing that. We should, however, openly discuss why that might not be the most beneficial direction for LeoFinance. We should talk about why it's important to have a diverse group of creators covering a wide range of subjects:

  • Favorite crypto projects (like Jk talking about RUNE)
  • Bitcoin/crypto industry ideas (like Edicted)
  • General Bitcoin/Crypto news stories as they break (like Jondoe and Jrcornel)
  • The fundamentals of money/finance (like Chekohler)
  • The intersection of tech and finance (like Taskmaster)
  • Trading, news, opportunities and financial metrics (like Rolland)
  • Global finance and crypto's positive impact on the world (like Josediccus)
  • Technical analysis and trade setups (like Forexbrokr)

There are plenty of great examples out there already and I didn't make this post to single anyone out or give praise to anyone over another person. The point is that there are so many different things you could write/discuss here on LeoFinance and doing so is what will attract people from outside of Hive/LeoFinance altogether. That's our main goal, isn't it? To onboard the masses to LeoFinance.

In order to add greater incentives to users who create high quality content that is non-LEO related (general crypto content/financial content like the above examples) and encourage content that ranks well on Search Engines, draws people in from social media, etc. I have decided to give a much heavier weighted vote to certain pieces of content.

Prior to the last few days, you may have seen my voting habits. I often gave pretty flat and even upvotes to everyone whether they wrote about LEO or something else. I'm still going to upvote LEO stuff and when it's exceptional, I'll upvote it with a high %... BUT, I am going to keep a special eye out for content like the examples I've laid out here and I will voice my opinion about the quality of this content with the weight of my vote. That's all any of us can do: use our stake to voice our opinion.

These votes will come from both my personal account and @leo.voter (which again, uses HIVE POWER to curate as well - 1.8M of it). You may see small upvotes on some posts (~10%) and then you may see large upvotes on others (35-100%) when I see something exceptional.

Side note: we're about to launch a series of updates from the @leofinance account talking about some major UI overhauls happening before the end of this year (including microblogging and a new project called LeoFinance Lightning DB). Along with these updates, I've also decided to throw in a new feature for tipping creators. This tipping idea is one that many have requested and I think under the context of this post, it's more important now that we have a way to show extra love to our awesome content creators.

The new tipping feature will allow us to reward users based on the traffic we see their content getting as well. If we find content that ranks well 1 month from now, we'll be able to send a tip to that creator for their evergreen content driving continuous traffic to our platform (we're also working on a feature that will allow you to upvote content after the 7 day window - that will launch around January of 2021. More info coming in our 2021 roadmap at the end of this year).

Side Note to my side note: there's a new feature on LeoFinance where you can see a feed of content curated by any user. We're going to add a button to the profile page where you can navigate to this. For now, you can drop in on any of your favorite curators and see what their voting habits look like by going straight to the URL field and entering their username/curated (i.e. https://leofinance.io/@leo.voter/curated).

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I have a slightly different aproach. I vote for most of the posts with rewards below 1 leo. We need to retain users. People feel useless and inferior when seeing good authors getting big rewards.
Eventually, we'll get to the right course, but for now quality shouldn't be a priority.
I even saw some people calling to start witchhunt, blacklisting, and downvoting. Very bad idea. Look what they did to hive.

With time people will learn what is right and what's not. Authors and curators.

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Yep, bingo. The first goal should be to bring in and retain users, goals 2-5 should be to bring in and retain users. Growth is the name of the game right now. Get the numbers up and worry about the rest later on.

Hit it on the head. We haven't reached critical mass yet and we are somehow wanted to kill off our potential brand ambassadors. This worries me.

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I even saw some people calling to start witchhunt, blacklisting, and downvoting. Very bad idea. Look what they did to hive.

I agree 1000%. Stop trying to manipulate things. Let it grow organically. We do need users and to encourage engagement. Those who feel they need to take control of the direction of things will lead to, as you stated, a repeat of Hive.

It seems there is a group of Leo police looking to form.

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It seems there is a group of Leo police looking to form.

Big mistake.

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I agree 100%. We have been down this road before.

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I have a slightly different aproach. I vote for most of the posts with rewards below 1 leo. We need to retain users. People feel useless and inferior when seeing good authors getting big rewards.

I've noticed that from your part and wanted to congratulate you. I know that rewarding already established great content creators is somehow a "noble act", but in order to grow the community new folks need to be encouraged as well. I wouldn't encourage spam, but I know how it feels to be the new guy and am very thankful for the ones who helped keep my moral up and continue my journey on leofinance. I guess this one of the strong incentives of being part of leofinance, the wider distribution of rewards.

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I like that approach you have chosen, I think I will spend more time finding those type of posts too.

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You are a billion percent right. This whole idea is a big miscalculation. I was about to go all in in Leo but no I have my doubts

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People feel useless and inferior when seeing good authors getting big rewards.

And by not curating Leo-related content, (which seems to be the underlying idea reading the comments), we set limitations for newcomers who've never experienced anything before LeoFinance.

If they aren't even 'allowed' to talk about their LEO experience, can we expect them to talk about other crypto- without having personal experience..?

It's way too early to focus on diversified content.

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It's not about newcomers talking about leo. It's about the same old people talking about it every day.

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Yeah, I can see how that is Khal's intentions, but I'm still worried for how things will turn out. Not because of Khal, but because of how people will act going forward.

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I admire your approach. People should feel it is worth their time to post. Thank you.

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You are a LEO angel for doing this. Big votes and big wins are great. But we need "healthy middle class" that makes few LEO reliably if they post something nice. There has been many times I spend an hour on a post and get less than 0.5 LEO.

In a way it drove me to making comments because I end up earning much better with comments I spend 3 minutes writing. We still need to downvote spam. But if its a quality post, the support needs o be their. I've only got 719.695 LP. So not much I could do. But you've been doing some great work. Thanks a lot @oldtimer

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But we need "healthy middle class"

Buy leo and power up rewards. That's how we'll get that. Not cashing out.

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Haven't sold a single LEO yet! Haven't had much money to buy much thanks to not having a proper job etc. But recently I've been earning more from LEO than Hive.

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I meant in general, not for you. If someone wants to be in the middle-class need to invest in leo token. That's the only way. Just with rewards, you'll not get there. With more users and higher price of leo rewards will go down.

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Funny thing is I'm ranked #425 in LEO Power in richlist. If LEO price really goes up and we get 100K active user.... I'll actually be part of middle class :)

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It sounds like it would make the home page look more professional to me, I just hope you keep in mind to upvote the authors that always engage with the commenters. Sometimes the comments are better than a boring post.

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Spot on and what finishes the post off making it more interesting.

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A great author that keeps the discussion going shows me how much they care about their viewers. It's nice when they also upvote the best comments. This way some people don't feel like they have to post to receive some Leo too.

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Totally agree and it is telling as how many don't even respond. This I find a little off putting and rude. There is room for authors and curators and both need to earn Leo.

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I feel you on this one I think a lot the value comes from the comments I ger a lot of inspiration for my next posts from the comments of previous posts

Sometimes the comments are better than a boring post.

An interesting turn of events on that one.

A boring post gets 50 stimulating comments.

How does that work?

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lol, you're not dragging me into this one. I retract that statement.

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Sorry it blockchain. No retraction possible. It is online forver.

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It also looks a bit silly when a post with dozens of comments gets a low pay-out!

Comments are golden.

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This is helpful as it gives us an idea bout your vision. As you say, Leo got a lot of attention and we have all kinds of content. There are a few topics that interest me so your guidelines are helping me a lot.

I'm also excited to read about the new features you're working on.

The new tipping feature will allow us to reward users based on the traffic we see their content getting as well. If we find content that ranks well 1 month from now, we'll be able to send a tip to that creator for their evergreen content driving continuous traffic to our platform (we're also working on a feature that will allow you to upvote content after the 7 day window - that will launch around January of 2021. More info coming in our 2021 roadmap at the end of this year).

This sounds pretty interesting. I guess in a month or two the place will be totally different. The speed things are changing here is amazing.

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This sounds pretty interesting. I guess in a month or two the place will be totally different.

Give it 6 months.

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I can certainly do that 😊

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LOL not as if you have a choice.

6 months will pass whether you agree with it or not. 😁

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I know, but it was funny though :D

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I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.

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I still don't understand what does this have to do with my comment.

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One of the advantages we have on the blockchain is you can't delete anything. So why bother?

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I was wrong in the place of comment, sorry.

A worthy discussion.

It is a double-edged sword though.

What is stated in this article makes a lot of sense on the surface. However, what is the immediate goal? The answer to this question is vital to the direction of things going forward.

For example, Leo is actually a cryptocurrency that is actually changing lives. This is something we do not see except at the whale level in most instances. Leo is starting to feed people, allow them to buy medicine, and meet other basic needs. In other words, it is becoming an income source for those families.

Isn't this something we want more of? I would say so because it only extends the reach of Leo. Of course, for that to happen, we need to encourage those people telling their stories and sharing their experience. This is what allows others to latch onto.

That said, the ultimate goal is to make Leo the "front page of crypto". That will require the conversation about other topics of interest.

At this point, we need users and numbers. It is obvious, what we draw in is going to attract more. If someone is here because they came in as a blogger of financial matters elsewhere, it is likely that person will post about other financial matters. However, we will see more posts about how wonderful Leo is if we attract more people who have their lives changed by being a part of Leo.

What is it that we want here? Personally, I think changing the lives of people is more important, at least in the short term.

Yes a combination is needed, we need diversity of content. But the key is to encourage people to engage. For many, that is limited to their experience on Leo.

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At this point, we need users and numbers.

Somehow, I get the feeling that some people actually believe we have enough users already...

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I'll be finishing my series about history and economy - 'how we arrived here', soon ...(another couple of posts or three).

Something like this is peripheral to the world of finance itself, but I think it broadens the the appeal.

I'm not overly enthused on posting about 'the crypto side' of things, day in day out - The 'peripheral topics' add to the depth of content, (imo).

Mannn....I get the idea youre trying to drive at, there should obviously be more diversified content, for me, when I read or/curate, I mostly sift through titles that are in my interest, sometimes it ends up being about Leofinance, most times, it's just other crypto stuff.

When it comes to me as well, I write a mixture of both, for example, my post yesterday was about Ethereum and how crypto is penetrating into several sectors and helping to bank the unbanned....

At the end of the day the homepage is important and it will be nice to have a healthy mix of both worlds

And I like the tipping idea.

Awesome job

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As I have read the other posts in your blog too... 😃

More info why you see this here.

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Kindly manage my little token of appreciation from my curation account

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And I always always always appreciate you.

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I'm just worried about killing off our brand ambassadors before we reach critical mass. I think the leo content should live in it's own section on the homepage and perhaps would solve the problem

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Brand ambassadors with great content will surely find their way to the front of people, as far as ive seen great content always wins whether it is Leofinance or not...but even better when it is Leofinance...

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I like the idea overall, though I'd also like to mention that rewarding as many people as possible is still probably the best way to get and retain users. Right now it's all about getting as many users as possible in my opinion.

Hot stuff as always, expressed with smooth and direct diplomacy! Love that my post was top of the LV/curate page when I visited it lol. Like the curate view, like the tipping and vote > 7 days feature...that's an almighty blaze of development you've got going, wonderful to see it unfold live.
👍😎

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I've been thinking about this a lot and have wondered if there can be a different section on the homepage for Leo content. My goal on @leofiance is to learn everything I can about it. Leo posts are important to me because that is what I consume and engage with.

I fully understand the argument here and my thoughts are to somehow segment leo content somewhere on the homepage just like latest posts or perhaps a link at the top of the page like curators picks?

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Having Leo content is vital since this is such a confusing platform. This is not something people get instantly. Certainly people can ask questions in the comment sections however not all read it.

I subscribe to the idea of lets promote Leo like it is best thing since sliced bread. After all many of the posts are being sent out to Twitter, ie promotion of the platform.

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I'm loving @leofinance right now but this is disheartening because I rough waters ahead. I've done this community growth thing for a long time. Heck, I was in the twitter and gmail beta programs lol. This whole thing conerns me

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Great thoughts! I'd like to think that I too blog about the fundamentals of money and currency. I'd like to think this offers some variety from people just talking about LEO and HIVE. My content caters to a much wider audience and I think it's important that it gets out there! I post it to twitter to with the aim of bringing in traffic from external sources. Who knows, maybe my posts end up on Google and it brings traffic from there too! Thanks !

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You do have great content, I have to go back and read all your posts because I just started following you. That's cool that Khal is working on making older posts voteable after the 7 days just for this reason alone!

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I like that feature too. It seems to be a way for the Leo team to reward those who are willing to write long, relevant, evergreen content.

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It's really helpful! Thank you for commenting!!

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Thank you! Yes, it's a really helpful tool for content creators! Especially if the content holds some value for a long period of time!

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Our goal is not to be a platform for LeoFinance people to talk about LeoFinance.

Now we have solid base community, we can focus on diversification of content creation and curation

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If we don't do it, nobody else will. when people google questions about Leofinance in the future it must be there and living on a leofinance url. This is a huge miscalculation in my opinion. Anything that will slow organic growth is a bad idea. Just redesign the homepage so the content isn't featured.

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I see your point!

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Is there a tool where I can see, some statistics of my outgoing votes over a period of time like 1 week , 1 month ?

I think non Leo content and leo content will generally grow the community since Leo is a finance based project and not a crypto based project. Irrespective I myself curate and engage with other contents outside of my field because I generally feel that that is how I'm going to learn.

Apart from earning this place can also be a learning haven or platform where people can come to tap from the rich source of knowledge rather than to just seek out the money alone.

Irrespective, you have been doing an amazing job of picking out this non crypto contents and voting it, I must say, curating is a very difficult job but then glad to see you're cultivating a different pattern to it.

I would generally love the tipping feature, I'm not much of an auto guy but I want to know if it's possible that that's s trail I can follow to add auto curating to the manual curation that I regularly do.

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Our goal is not to be a platform for LeoFinance people to talk about LeoFinance

Thank you for pointing this out as I was beginning to see similar trends on the "popular" page where a lot of the articles were talking about LEO or had LEO in the title. Obviously people can do what they want with their stake at the end of the day but we all saw the HIVE trending page when it was non-stop hive posts appearing there for a good length of time, would love that not to happen here as well.

I do like the curator's picks as there's a good variety of topics there when I log in which helps broaden some thought processes and sharing knowledge about the wider crypto and finance industry. I wouldn't be too worried if that actually became the main front page of Leo with the variety of topics. I like that it's there at the top, maybe you can make the "show more" curator's picks a bit more obvious and by clicking on it, it expands the view downwards potentially?

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A search would alleviate many of the problems.

Personally I rarely spend time on the trending page. I find the content that matters is on the hot and recent pages.

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I see trending whenever I log in to LeoFinance each time and flick down just to see what's there and what people are voting on as the linear vote thing means I can still vote on it if I liked reading the article. Otherwise I just go to curator's picks and have a look.

I'm not sure about how good the search is on LeoFinance but I'd imagine it requires people use the correct and relevant tags when making a post in the first 5 as those are indexed? I've seen some posts that basically just have every community tag going to get tokens rather than the topics on what it's about.

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That is true although search can be based upon other things than just tags.

We need a search engine that goes through posts and pulls up relevant content.

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Yeah that would be good. I wonder if it's possible to have some cues when you open up post editor to put key words or use headings with the topic of the post, these can then be used by the search engine. With WordPress, I think it considers the headings/titles you use when you search on someone's website for something and it brings up "relevant" articles, similar thing with Google I think but that will probably need verifying by someone with superior search-engine and SEO knowledge to me!

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I think we will have to wait and see what infrastructure can be created by the Leo developers.

Search on the blockchain seems tough. Thus we will have to see it at the application layer. How difficult it is to implement? We will have to see since I honestly have no idea.

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I have full confidence something can and will be developed. Everything I've seen from the Leo Developers has pretty much resonated with me and you are right, I'd imagine it would be something on the 2nd layer in the LeoFinance site itself rather than on the blockchain level - like you though, I have absolutely no idea how it can be done, I'm just a bloke that writes a few posts/comments here and there and provide user feedback/discussion where I can!

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That is me too.

Not into that coding stuff at all. Each time Microsoft updates something my computer is messed up for two weeks since settings are changed.

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Search on the blockchain seems tough.

Hivesearcher.com seems to do a good job there. I use it frequently.
But I don't know how hard it was to build this. Maybe it can be integrated or something.

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First of all, I am very pleased to read this content.
And I like the fact that you have come out all clear about this Leo-related posts of a thing.
Most people might be forced to begin to think if it's only when Leofinance is being featured on a post that the post gets a reasonable number of upvotes or appreciation.
I am glad that you are stating your view and points concerning supporting nonleo-related contents and I must say I like that idea.

And about the upgrade, that would be so cool and I can't wait for it.
Rewarding a post even after the payout, that's totally awesome too.

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If you like non-LEO specific content then head over to my blog!

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Do you want the week or do you require the exact date?

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Let's not spoil it!

Yes, and good points all. Whereas LeoFinance content is really cool, fact is that it's mainly relevant to those who have already been here a while, and does not a "Finance and Cryptocurrency Community" make.

That was always one of my issues in promoting Steem/Hive "way back when:" the community has to look attractive to those who have never seen it before. And that means a broader base of content.

This is definitely a positive direction!

I'm gonna have to explore this "curated by" feature...

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There surely is a lot of diversity in posts on Leofinance. I created a word cloud post last week which showed this. I think it's indeed the Curator's Picks that wasn't a good representation of all the posts on Leofinance.
I think it's good that you have changed the way you curate.

The content I upvote also populates the /curated page (Curator's Picks)

Is this section only populated by the content you upvote?
Although you have changed the way you curate, isn't it better to populate it by content that is curated by the whole community?

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As much as we LOVE leofinance it gets a little boring talking about it all the time, and funny enough: its not even that different people are Sharing some ideas but we find it that the same authors keep making posts about leofinance earnings in particular : that's my definition of a boring blog.

Divers topic brings more knowledge, just like sometime back when I read a post by @taskmaster4450le talking about Disney and the worst experiences they had due to Covid 19 , I had a good read and also acquired knowledge!

Quality is not just about a long post but the content, speaking about Leofinance earnings that we could easily view on your profile can be so irrelevant.

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I'm glad to be mentioned and I am pretty stoked about this move and I hope it does encourage more general content, I feel like a lot of the leo content is repetitive at times and should actually just be additions to leopedia. Naturally, trading strategies and milestones and such I get but basic talking about how it works, over and over again, should be leopedia content IMO

These articles could for sure be used as citations for leopedia and help newbies more introductory content but if I see the same thing every week, its surly going to turn me off. I've even mentioned it to those who are leo exclusive in the past to maybe look outside the platform I hope this change will encourage that, I've also actively stayed away from curating leo content myself and focus more on general stuff and new crypto project content

I'm glad to be mentioned and I am pretty stoked about this move and I hope it does encourage more general content, I feel like a lot of the leo content is repetitive at times and should actually just be additions to leopedia.

Repetitive to you but not the new people.

And how many are aware of Leopedia especially among newer people? At the same time, who knows what to look up.

After all, we tend not to know what we dont know.

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I agree with you @taskmaster4450le . This is a tactical miscalculation and will stunt community growth. It's actually a classic misstep and it is too early for this. I understand the argument but it worries me. I was about to pull the trigger on converting $2000 in crypto into Leo but I'm going to hold off because the community is saying they don't want my kind lol

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It is not that dire. You are not being discouraged from posting, you are simply being encourage to post beyond

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I get what you're saying but we need to have a growth and retain mentality. People that mostly post about leofinance are/or become our brand ambassadors. The "beyond" content wont be that stuff that grows the community. We can find that stuff anywhere. Our product is LeoFinance. well, at least until he hit critical mass. In my opinion of course lol

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No ones saying don’t do what you want to don’t reward what you like and if people who take the time to research stuff and post leave because the “I bought 100 leo” posts get 100 LEO then so be it, that also kills the network effects but hey your stake use it as you see fit

I think the evidence is there hive does it steem does it blurt does it other tribes do it and because we don’t have actual data on it people will debate it’s merits

Let’s not make the onboarding argument the issue I think that’s a stretch! We all have the right to enjoy the platform in our own way, for me it’s non-leo content, and leo content for me the leo team does a good enough job, I don’t need to blow smoke up khals arse

I am still looking forward to the day when your comment section is filled with “I am a Jesse” comments.

I promise to upvote them the first few times I see them.

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LOL! I keep a small sliver of hope that it does catch on too, that would be hilarious or Jessie response posts because the comment got too long!

I feel like that's the right thing to do here. Content dealing with all things Leo is important and I often learn new things from reading these - just a few days ago I've turned my shields down on Brave for LeoFinance. Prior to that article, I wasn't even aware that I was actively blocking ads (it's just what you do on the Internet after all). That said, they are usually only relevant to the people already active in the community.

So to the people coming to this site for the first time, they are probably not very interesting - or sometimes even deterring. After all, having 10 articles in a row about how great a site is and what needs to be done to show that to everybody might give the wrong impression.

I'll continue to write (and vote) the occasional Leo-centered article but I'll try to focus more on other content (which is mainly crypto gaming, Play2Earn, and Passive income for myself).

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I'm glad that one of my post, about rejecting my shields in Brave for LeoFinance, has learned something new.

It sure has - and I have a feeling this post alone did a lot to help LeoFinance. I'm certainly not the only one who lowered his shields after reading your article!

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I feel like that's the right thing to do here. Content dealing with all things Leo is important and I often learn new things from reading these - just a few days ago I've turned my shields down on Brave for LeoFinance. Prior to that article, I wasn't even aware that I was actively blocking ads (it's just what you do on the Internet after all). That said, they are usually only relevant to the people already active in the community.

Exactly.

Few have any idea about how this works. It is true there is Leopedia which is resource rich. However, the problem is few are aware of what they do not know.

After all, you didnt know to look for the idea of turning off you adblocker on Brave. Yet it was from a post that you learned that; one that went trending I might add.

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Actually we need Meta tag to group the Leofinance content. I think "Meta" part will remain interesting for new users to understand the things.

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Search would help a great deal, without a doubt.

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Understood,

A BUSINESS TAB/SECTION/DEPARTMENT is probably a good way to monitor actual use of NEW people coming to Leofinance.

May I add in our situation new to Leofinance, we have many business owners, both suppliers and customers that are very interested in using crypto for buying and selling.

They ALL are looking for a normal b2b shopping cart method, we have found a way (for now) to use within shopify.

This is a big deal, but most readers do not realize how many business owners will be doing this ACTUALLY using for a buying and selling goods and services.

When we communicate with them on Leofinance or encourage them to join and use LEO, it's because we are focusing the initial conversation with them on the benefits and ease of use.

In our network once a few are actually using it for transactions it be accepted. Thank you, Richard

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Great to see the tipping feature as a novelty that can still provide value after the 7 day countdown. This gives more value to content creators and incentives them to put the work and create really good posts that bring more traffic. A win-win thing and something that can be extended even at Hive blockchain level if maybe we reach more influence there.

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I think we need to expand or open to new topics, focus only on the financial part will limit this site to a few users. For me, if I want to write about photography then I need to use Peakd (I really love UI btw), and posts on Peakd won't appear here. I would like to write all my ideas here.

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Why would we open up Leofinance to all content and topics?

This is a tribe/community based upon Finance and Crypto. Photography has no place. There should be a community/tribe for that.

Peakd and Hive.blog are catchall UIs but tribes are topic specific.

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I agree that this is a dilemma.

It can obviously be boring for current users to see LEO-related content each day, but brand building and success stories are what attracts people. I've talked about this several times in the past as well, but real success stories, where someone shares their experience and tells others that they have been able to generate an extra income so they can afford to buy medicine, groceries or whatever, is what attracts attention.

People talking about LEO is what gives others a chance to find, see and also try LEO.

The 'average' Bob or Jane won't immediately try LeoFinance because they happen to see a cool article about BTC made from the LeoFinance interface. They are far more likely to give LeoFinance a test-drive if they see someone talking about the success they've had with it.

  • That is how we will lead the masses to the door.

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I agree with this line of thinking.

I think that the microblogging will clear a lot of this up.

Much of what is written now in the long blog form could end up as short form. This is especially true for Leo posts. Many of them can be sent out as microblogs and get commented on that way.

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Yeah I agree with you. We need to expand our community not only talk about Leo but wide spread topic so more people join in

As a suggestion for the Explore tab, I would rather see the newly created post, than the trending at first glance. This are the posts that need our love and the ones that posted are usually online to interact. To drop a comment in the first hour is gold for any post.

Also with some votes, it will trigger the Hive folks with their automated curation hunt to vote on them. Of course, first it needs a read than a comment/vote.

This will improve a lot the user experience for new users as they have a higher chance to get noticed.

Thanks

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Although all new features you mention are welcome I am afraid that they will bloat the interface and make it slower. Thread with caution, please.

About curating and what content should be incentivised ie more welcome. I feel that a platform is mature when it stops being self-centered. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't clearly explain its mechanics. It just means that revolving around yourself keeps you in place and you are not progressing.

Good luck 😀

This is a good direction forward. Hive at times can feel like a library where the most valued books are the ones about the library, I would not like Leofinance to go that direction. I try to go the same direction as Oldtimer with rewarding smaller/ newer users especially those with different perspectives on niche topics. Although I may not be very interested in their content I want them to stick around because others might.
I sometimes feel the way the landing page is laid out the trending posts will have many voting on them just so the voter can to be part of the bandwagon, which raises the rewards and trend even higher.
It is great that you are having these discussions at this early stage so it won't become a boys club.

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Yes I agree with you bro.

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to tell you the truth i try to speak about a variety of finance-related things. I get it that LEO is the token we got paid with but still we have to write different things.

I also know, and i believe you know it as well, that many people tend to write about leo just for the sake of the rewards. They know that chances to get a little something are higher with a post of "how i love LEO" and stuff

I totally agree with everything you said... I was actually thinking to write in the following days a post in a way similar to this. What i wanted to state is that by writing only about how cool is LEO, we are doing discouraging people from joining

Allow me to explain what i mean. When people check on a platform like this and see many posts about how cool is the platform that is supposed to be finance-related what they will think?

Either that these accounts are fake, paid or have some benefits to write only posts like that. Instead, they need to see different kind of posts and realize that this an actual finance platform that they can find any related info, from cryptos to stocks and from real estate to how covid affected small business owners (a post i did for example). Ofc on top of that we need to highlight how they can earn money!

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I totally agree, there is so much material to write and discuss together but I would need more time or I could clone myself 😏

Leofinance aims to be a reference finance site in the crypto sector and it is necessary to cover a greater number of different topics in order also to attract new users.

On the other hand, the purpose is precisely this: to attract new users through the quality of our content! And also have some nice support from the whales for our commitment 😊

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to attract new users through the quality of our content! And also have some nice support from the whales for our commitment 😊

I can see your point, but I disagree.

We need more users, that's a fact. By not curating leo-related content we set up limitations for newcomers who have never experienced anything except LeoFinance.

They should talk about their Leo-experience, because that is how we will reach even more people.

Also, by not curating leo-related content we also change the token distribution, which ultimately makes the well-known, established and good authors even more wealthy while the newcomers doesn't earn much at all..

Hence, we make the same mistakes we've seen ever since the days of Steem.

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I am sure that all new users who arrive and introduce themselves will receive the support of all other users in the community.

But I agree to focus the vote on more structured articles and on different topics, as a finance platform should be.

Nothing takes away from posting on LEO, it is not forbidden, only you will not get the vote of @ leo.voter but you will have the support of those who appreciate your post

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Is it normal that I feel so excited and happy with every report left on Leofinance?

very certainly you have to vote for diverse content Although maybe you don't mention it, it would be good to include things that may not be directly related to cryptomonics but teaching about business and learning but that is in the same sense about finances.

and also the tipping system seems to me to be something very wonderful because after 7 days your hard content does not receive anything else but I like that idea because you can reward even more the creators of quality content as you said.

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Thank you for being clear in what you will be rewarding. This helps set the tone of what is wanted on the platform.

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I can only write about what I know, but I hope to contribute more as I focus more and more on the various front ends and hive based tokens, including LEO. I will eventually try to share my journey in diversification and also a deeper look into Hive based tokens.

You are doing great. For a while I was really suspicious of Leo cause of some of the hate Hive was getting in discord but you are doing so much for the whole ecosystem. Seems the negativity was just coming from 2-3 people. Just discovered the ranking of different coin holders on the leodex and realized I’m one of the biggest holders of LOTUS and WEEDM! Stacking up on SIM now 😀

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It's good that you're encouraging diversity in Leofinance because I feel that this platform will be more accessible by doing so.

Personally, I upvote the posts that encourage engagement. My upvote (though very low in rewards even for full upvote) is a form of "recognition". And I want to give more recognition to the authors/posts that attract more attention hence more engagement. These are the posts that will show the outside world how alive this platform is.

Anyway, that's just me.

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It seems like a nice plan for curation, @khaleelkazi.

In my opinion, upvotes shouldn't be "automatic" or "random"... But rather, guided by some solid motivation.

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I think this is a generally good idea, but some posts about LEO are good and worth voting on!

Other's aren't, so it depends.

Also rewarding comments is a good use for stake.

I'm writing this already knowing you've written another post saying the opposite, I'll go read that now!

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Curation feed by particular user is very nice addition to the site. And it also allows me to keep track of my own curation, posts and authors that I curate.

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You keep on discussing the need for a variety of subject matters, where does metals play in all of these?

(we're also working on a feature that will allow you to up-vote content after the 7 day window - that will launch around January of 2021.)

So no longer will "tipping" (x) tokens be the only option but up-voting with hp is now possible, correct?

If so that is a wonderful thing, especially for the little minnows like me. Hear that bottom feeders? if we missed out on up-voting some of your fav posts past the 7 day period, you can give love now with this future feature being worked on.

I am curious to see how that will work out. any examples of this method being used else where, or is this entirely new thing for the blockchain?
nay nay... nothing new under the sun.

How long ago have this feature been known? why wasn't it used on steemit before?

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