Earning more than a million

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I have spent the last few hours readjusting some of the positions of my shitcoins alts , as I still felt I had too much sitting on Binance and didn't want it trapped there when the staggered rollout to the lower withdrawal amount hits my account. It takes so long to do much of this that it feels like a job, but since I figure that the potential return on it could very well outpace my jobs, it is definitely worth spending the time.

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I adjusted a few things and decided to increase some of my pooled tokens into Cub Finance, as well as add some extras, including ADA for a small APR of 5%, but at least it keeps it off an exchange. It is funny that 5% sounds like a very low amount, but this morning a friend was saying that on their 10,000 in a bank savings account, they received 0.01% - a hundredth of a percent.

Back in the day when I was around 13 or 14 years of age, it would have been possible to have 1 million in the bank and earn 9% on it per year. After paying taxes, it would have amounted to about 60,000 dollars, which at the time, was almost 2x a teachers salary. In fact, it was my math teacher that went through this scenario on the board and discussed how this is what he was working toward by the time he was 45. I am not sure if he got there, but I hope he did.

The problem is of course, that "living off the interest" requires the interest on savings to be adequate enough to do so. For him at that time, he would have likely been able to live off half the interest rate at about 4.5% and clear around 30K a year, but now, that is impossible. The largest bank in Australia offers a max of 0.5%, which means in order to get that minimum, he would have had to have 9 million dollars saved. But that is not all, as times have changed. Back then a teachers salary was about 30K, but now it is over 2x that at 70K a year. That means that he would have to have around 18 million dollars in the bank right now to be able to clear a teacher's salary.

This is of course maintaining the capital investment at 18 million. However, using 70,000 dollars a year of it without having it in the bank would mean it would last for 257 years. Even with inflation, that is enough for a lifetime - perhaps.

It is amazing how quickly our wealth is being eroded, yet very few people seem to care, since they are getting more fiat shitcoins each year. But, the purchasing power of our salaries is decreasing, meaning that the payrises we are getting, don't cover the same standard of living the did earlier. And on top of this, due to the way society, culture and technology has changed, we are spending on things that we weren't before, with people dropping thousands of dollars on an iPhone, while spending hundreds of dollars on digital subscriptions of various kinds per month, plus the in-app purchases.

Sure, no one needs to spend on entertainment and many can't afford it anyway, but it means going without what is common in the community, which can feel oppressive in the same way that there is variation in the quality of food people can afford to eat.

While that same bank mentioned above just recorded record profits and paid dividends out to shareholders that were 17% higher than last year, the customers of that bank are becoming incrementally worse off. I think that this is where the DeFi space is going to have a major impact, as it allows normal people to become owners and benefit in the same way the financial institutions and their investors do, by cutting out the middlemen.

However, this doesn't stop the people who are currently investing into financial institutions from investing into AMM liquidity pools and benefiting too. It is no wonder that there is going to be pushback and a raising of the hurdles in the financial sector to try and cut out average people from being their own bank, because it threatens to compete in two key ways. Firstly, customers have the potential to go elsewhere for their financial services and secondly, the investors will go where there is a higher return. While there is instability and volatility now, the more people leverage DeFi pools both as investors and customers, the more stable it becomes, without the overheads or premiums that the banks charge for services that can now be delivered for free.

For example, there is no excuse for a 13% transfer tax on shipping money across the globe when it is already automated and no one has to see, stamp or verify anything. There is no excuse for it to take days to clear either. Both of these things are not only already possible to do freely and quickly, there is no middleman needed at all, other than the nodes that verify the transactions, or the witnesses on Hive.

For decades, we the average population have been the cashcow of the financial institutions because we couldn't do what they did effectively. But with the advent of the internet and then blockchain technology, we are very quickly learning how we can organize so that we can provide the same and more for ourselves. The competitive competence of the banking industry is being quickly eroded away, which is why they are trying to grab as much ownership as they can now, before they lose complete access to their cow.

However, because of tokenization, not only can we organize ourselves in regards to the required transactions for an economy, we can also build systems that indicate the value of what is meaningful to us in a way that requires activity to own. Just imagine, if from now on, when a investment management company wanted to buy into a new startup, the owners required them to pay in Bitcoin, instead of dollars. The investors will still benefit from the success of the business, but so will millions of other normal people from the sale of that business to them. It makes for a very interesting future economy.

I don't think there are many people at this time that are able to live off the interest on their savings, which is kind of funny, as for a fraction of what they have in the bank, they could probably live off DeFi comfortably. Even Hive offers 10% a year, which means that as interest rates dropped, my math teach could have moved fiat across into Hive and started hedging against the inevitable. It is risky of course, but so is living off the interest, as the capital doesn't grow, which means as inflation increases, the value of the money collecting interest is continually decreasing.

A million dollars doesn't buy what it used to.

A million dollars in the bank earns about 5000 dollars a year in interest.
How does that compare with your crypto investments?

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What about the super funds, are they returning double digit percentage rates.

Yeah, some are. I don't know how it works these days, but I don't think you can live off that until you are of retirement age?

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Reading through your post, it sparked the idea that in some ways, we have received a raise in our pay, indirectly. Many, most (all?) pension funds charge management fees. You're looking at an annual load of 1% or 2% on our retirement savings. If you add that up over a lifetime, it is significant.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/investing/millennial-retirement-fees-one-percent-half-million-savings-impact/

Therefore, by having these crypto financial vehicles, especially stablecoins, that pay interest without any management fees, we are seeing massive returns over a lifetime. If 1% makes a big difference, then 10%, or even 5% is massive.

My thinking is that this offsets the stagnant wages a bit. But, of course, earning more is still preferable.

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You're looking at an annual load of 1% or 2% on our retirement savings. If you add that up over a lifetime, it is significant.

It is enormous.

My thinking is that this offsets the stagnant wages a bit. But, of course, earning more is still preferable.

And this will be part of the next move as more investment capital arrives, as it will drive new business and business models, as well as create crypto employment. The competition on traditional job sectors will be for the businesses trying to find skilled employees, as all the good ones are earning crypto.

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I know it is pretty low these days, but I still think 1m is my first goal. I think that if I invest it right I can still pull in about 6% interest per year. That would be a nice supplement to my other income. Even if I reinvested a portion of it. I think I would want to see it continue to grow without needing to worry about inflation or cost of living increases.

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6% is very manageable in fiat, simple in crypto. The challenge is doing it long-term, as investment areas are going to change rapidly in coming years.

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I am pulling in around 10% on my traditional investments. That is an average and it goes up and down per year of course. I think that six percent would be very doable!

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it is worst when you had it already many times over and you still get to fk it up and start over... really think the next time i wont make any mistakes, this all issue of real fiat value VS what i lived so far bogles me, i know that if i ever held a 9 17 job i would not be in crypto for sure, money is overall useless if printed ad eternum, i many times imagine a scenario, that several people would pool up, buy land and restore or whatever, making living expenses lower for all involved and all in crypto, would make all out journeys safer because i think the day to day grind really limits us all to move forward and it is normal of course that tunnel vision and grind is survival...

Sounds like a hippie commune to me! 😃 I look forward to the day when we can leave some of these antiquated systems behind us. I just hope we don't lose everything to get to that point.

10% on a million € would do me fine. Just need the million €...

in order to get that minimum, he would have had to have 9 million dollars saved.

Which is of course totally impossible for a teacher. In my country, it might even take 500 years other than the 278 you mentioned or so, and how long does the average human have in general? Its pathetic that people aren't even able to enjoy their efforts with their money as a result of the kind of finacial situation we have with fiat currency and institutions all over the world.

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Yep, totally impossible. It is pretty crazy, but also shows how babyboomers were able to amass wealth easily.

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It's the same here. I don't think many teachers could ever hope to save a million bucks in their life time

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Hey man, those New York City bankers are scrimping by with only 3 or 4 vacation homes. Don't be selfish. You need to be squeezed a bit more so they can have 4 or 5 vacation homes.

Time to move our life savings into HBD lol

Funny you should say that. It would have been possible not long back to buy it at about 15% discount, earn 10% on it and then sell it today at 12% over the peg :D

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I really consider doing that!

Not all my savings but a considerable share of them!

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cash is king
credit is king


Crypto(and splinterlands) is king.

By the way can you explain how hive savings interest works and when we will get it? at a beginning of next year?

Umm, I think it is paid out monthly on HBD? not sure.

On HIVE, it is constantly ticking over based on your HP. Last time I checked, the interest on HP earned was about 1.5% a year on HP. However, I haven't looked into the savings yet.

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Yes, it's paid in HBD every 30 days, provided your account has sent or received HBD in the last 30 days. If not, it's paid whenever a transaction is made.

Tagging @fieryfootprints so he gets a notification

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Thanks! I thought so, but didn't want to commit to it :D

Hive Power increases at an APR of approximately 3.21%

Banks are really out of touch with what the world has become. I'm slowly drifting away from them into crypto and I think I won't regret this decision.

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They are geared toward increasing their profits, but not passing it onto those who bankroll them. Us.

Bank interest rates are so silly. First off, we know they make a lot of money off individual funds through international trades yet the dividends we receive can't even be seen in most cases.
I've actually never received anything on my money in my savings account. Over here, banks make outrageous deductions for absolutely no reason. Holding funds in a fiat account is even a loss. A lot of my friends here only hold fiat when they have immediate needs.

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I think only holding fiat short-term is the way to go for most. Well gone are the days of stuffing money under the mattress, as it is as good as burning it in the fireplace.

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I don't mind banks making money the good old fashioned capitalist way, but most banks these days make most of their money by getting money stolen from us (taxes) and funneled to them either in direct payments, or extremely low interest loans.

this is a question as old as time. in UK is like 0.01%, as i make fun of my partner investments sometime (26K GBP giving like 0.02 GBP per month, as opposed to her portfolio on Coinbase returning 0.32 for £70 in XTZ) can you believe that, 70 pounds in crypto providing x16 times more than 26.000 in bank. that is all that i need to say. !PIZZA


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yes, it was actually this, it was the monthly interest that was 0.001 - my bad, but it doesn't make much difference. 11p a month I think it worked out to for them.

It is insanity....
Yet people still trust them. How much do you reckon the bank makes on 26k?

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much more, i am sure.

Right now I am contemplating the previously unthinkable, borrowing to buy crypto. I know it’s supposedly the biggest folly you can fall into, but I suspect that is only true for investments in volatile assets. I suspect that with conservative stablecoun stable coin asset pairs earning 25-30 percent there is an arbitrage opportunity there. I suspect the only limit is your ability to obtain and protect your Capitol.

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Should have bit the bullet in January! :D

But yeah, I have heard of a few people doing this, though I don't have the balls myself.

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Same here! I know some people who do it very successfully but it's beyond me hehe at least for the moment

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Last year when we got the house loan in March, I wanted to put 10% into BTC (about 2 coins), My wife said "too risky". At the high, it would have returned twice our loan amount :D

Wow! If my wife asks I know what to say. 😉

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Understandable.

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I have been paralyzed by analysis, but today I may just pull the trigger with a small bullet and see how it works out.

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When I was in my 20s (2 decades ago), I had a savings account that got 4% interest, if I recall. Now I have just the bare minimum in a credit union so that I can use banking functions and that earns .05%.

The difference isn't lost on me at all. And that's why, while there is risk, anything I'd be saving goes into crypto and DeFi.

I've had a few financial setbacks in life. So, to start building wealth in my 40s for retirement means I need a lot more than the conventional financial system can even offer. You literally cannot work enough to save enough to retire on right now if you're starting this late in the game.

I'm all for bleeding these banks dry and putting those resources into DeFi as best as we collectively can.

I'm all for bleeding these banks dry and putting those resources into DeFi as best as we collectively can.

You and I both!

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I've had a few financial setbacks in life. So, to start building wealth in my 40s for retirement means I need a lot more than the conventional financial system can even offer. You literally cannot work enough to save enough to retire on right now if you're starting this late in the game.

I am in the same boat and got into crypto almost 5 years ago while in the worst financial condition of my life. I am 42 now and things are much better in many ways - still haven't touched crypto and instead work a lot to make ends meet so I don't have to. Come the real boom in the industry, I should be okay.

I'm all for bleeding these banks dry and putting those resources into DeFi as best as we collectively can.

I can't wait until we get to the point that they either shape up, or get replaced completely.

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Yup... one million is a good goal!!!!

Would it be enough?

How much are hookers and blow these days? ;)

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A million dollars in the bank earns about 5000 dollars a year in interest.
How does that compare with your crypto investments?

I do not use the Defi products too much but recently tested DappNode, as I got airdropped some Nodes. DappNode is a project which has developed an open-source product to set up an Ethereum, BTC node in your own computer with a plug & play tool. They have introduced an interesting rule: the tokens you get are in a reserve for 3 years and keep draining into a claimable stream. This is a nice way to protect huge price dumps from whales selling their tokens.
They introduced some far staking pools with insane APR, the pools launched a month ago and you can still get a nice 300%-800% depending on the product. My savings are giving me an average of 1% daily which is amazing.

On top of that, if you set one node yourself you can earn extra tokens from several protocols offering compensation for validation
I have decided to purchase a new Raspberry Pi 4 and an external 4Tb SDD drive to set one up, I may publish my experience when I do.

https://app.dappnode.io/

This is a nice way to protect huge price dumps from whales selling their tokens.

That is quite interesting - considering people complain about 13 week powerdowns. Back in the early days, it was a 2 year powerdown cycle here (the other place).

1% is huge and it is amazing it is still possible after a month. Normally they don't last that long.

I may publish my experience when I do.

Drop me a link when you do please.

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I have decided to purchase a new Raspberry Pi 4 and an external 4Tb SDD drive to set one up, I may publish my experience when I do.

Oh please do! I would be very interested in reading that

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The oppressors are now being oppressed, anyways this isn't a debate anymore on maybe the government cab control how things work here. These are just the starting phase and in the future there won't be anything standing in the way of crypto like it is nowadays.

The younger ones to hold the future lifeline are already in the crypto-verse and they love it there. Time for the banks to get the hit isn't here yet, sorry about my manners but honestly banks are the most shi*tiest place to keep your money.!PIZZA

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The young are already waking up to the fact that they have very little opportunity in the current economy. Now, they just have to wake up to the fact that having no opportunity in the current economy, doesn't mean they have no opportunity.

Yes you're right. I agree with you on that.

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I agree everything is being eroded away and people just accept it. I am looking at everything these days and doing the calculations knowing exactly where I stand. Making the investments work for you is how it should be and fortunately we can do that in crypto. The banks seem to think they are doing you a favor but we all know that it not the case.

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You said, "It is amazing how quickly our wealth is being eroded, yet very few people seem to care, since they are getting more fiat shitcoins each year."

Geez that is accurate. I live in Wyoming, some of my friends are Boomer generation ranchers. These are extremely frugal people, as they get one paycheck a year when they sell their calves. They are always getting hit with unexpected expenses (often weather related) so they usually have a big chuck of $$'s in savings. They very much notice that their savings are being eroded rapidly by inflation and pathetic interest rates. They sometimes ask me about Bitcoin, I try to explain it to them, but they just shrug their shoulders and say, "That sounds too risky."

They say this despite telling me they are afraid of negative interest rates. For me, the legacy financial system appears MUCH more risky than owning Bitcoin. But it is hard for these old timers to change their mentality, even when they KNOW they are being robbed.

Nice article with nice break down. My dad made me realize this when I was 10 I owe him most of the things I know now. Ever since I discovered cryptocurrency and it’s potential I never went back to the bank

Lol! My real world cash accounts earned $1.25 CAD, and half that Interest income is TAXED too. That "Brrrrrr....." we hear is also the sound of us sheep being sheared.
At least I have also on rental property for the Passive Income I can write off expenses.

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Semoga saya juga ada peningkatan

You can easily live off the interest of Splinterlands alone.


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Only if you already hold substantial amounts of cards or are willing to buy in. And of you are talking about SPS, that is a year-long drop, but the price is going to be volatile.

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