This is what I've been noticing lately. This happened to me yesterday. I had 5 different people respond to me on one thread or another that this had, or was happening to them. This is what's going to end up ruining Steem for a lot of people, if no solution is found.
Yesterday morning, I made a simple post about my bitconnect experience, just as @craig-grant has done, just as @trevonjb has done, and many others. I wasn't expecting a ton of upvotes or comments...just from those who were or are thinking of investing in bitconnect who I had told that I'd keep them informed.
By about 5 o clock yesterday, I had something like 12 upvotes and a bunch of comments. By 530, I had an additional 5 downvotes which caused me to lose all rewards for that post...oh and I received such a nice comment from @steemcleaners informing me that just because I didn't view my post as a scam or spam...others might. Oh really Steemcleaners, a.k.a Mom?! I've heard from others as well about having issues with Steemcleaners being on a power trip lately. Just because someone reports someone @steemcleaners, maybe you should actually read the post before deciding if you think it's spam or not...you know, since your opinion seems to matter so much, which you obviously get off on. Seems a bit ironic that I went all day without getting flagged, then all of a sudden within n half hour (I actually just counted) I received 8 downvotes?! Really?! How interesting. Seems like there's people on Steem that take advantage of it, and if they're powerful enough in Steempower, they can basically control you....that pretty much will ruin steem for me and a lot of other people. I looked into these people who downvoted me...some of them literally have pages that Steem says are unknown. Some haven't posted on Steem ever. None of them are really active, so how does this happen that all of them at once have the ability. I was reading an article done last year by long time user @stellabelle, who was having this same issue. She discussed how muting doesn't really fight this problem, and others confirmed there's just nothing you can do since it's on the blockchain.
How is there not some type of balance of powers? How is it that my article on bitconnect was flagged multiple times, yet porn is allowed on here? Seems like @steemcleaners is on a bit of a power trip. Why does no one monitor this guy? I read articles from at least 10 others who recently quit Steemit because of crap like this, and if this continues, it ruins Steemit for me, and I'll be pulling my 3200 steempower out, and there will be many more behind me.
Apologies for any spelling errors but I'm writing this quick on my phone. Here's a list of all the people who flagged or downvoted my post within a half hour of each other. Check them out for yourselves, and read my previous post. There's nothing wrong with it! It's just information!
@adm
@steemcleaners
@fubar-bdhr
@zathras
@zathras (zathras and zathras, really?! Idiots)
@fubar165
@kutmargo
@blacklist-a (oooooo sounds so scary tough guy)
@kevingwong @papa-pepper @jerrybanfield @dan @ned @sweetsssj am I missing something something? Is there really nothing that can be done about this problem? It's only going to worse and more prevalent as Steemit grows, and I'm pretty sure this is going to drive away many users. I for one would rather have my money in a coin whee this BS doesn't happen, where I can post information about my experience with any altcoin and anything I want...but if it's just part if Steemit, then I want no part if it.
Oh look, I found a picture of Steemcleaners and his army of trolls...
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Eat shit, your'e an idiot
@adm...I'm going to see you real soon..looking forward to meeting you face to face. Don't think your $700,000 will be much help. Faggot
Lmfao. It's funny how highly you think of yourself. I've looked at enough of your posts now to just feel bad for you. You have an over inflated ego, which I'm not sure why. You're not very smart, and pretty much all you do is throw big words around and try to create sentences that make you sound smart. How many people have you called trolls now on Steem? Like 100?! Lolololololol. @baah, the protector of the curation and the leader of all the trolls. You're such a tough guy! You look like a scrawny fuck, sonit must be nice continuing to talk shit hiding behind your keyboard. I wonder if you'd be just as tough in a face to face confrontation? I think not.
Please don't be mean to my little baah baah black sheep :(
Baah of course you know me, Urma and I have been friends with your mother for decades.
My little Baah Baah Baah Baah Baahrbara Ann do you need a hug?
You just replied 3 separate times and used tour new favorite word vortubatung in every single one. You must be super proud of your big boy word. Congrats on that sweetie pie!
You sure have a lot of free time on your hands. Must be out of a job? That sucks...I'm guessing that's why your wife is fucking someone else, or maybe cause she doesn't like fucking a little ugly ass troll such as yourself. Im sure you have plans for Friday night, so help yourself in continuing to troll my posts. You put so much effort into it, that if you put the same amount of effort into finding a girl, maybe the next one A. Won't be as ugly as the current one, and/or B. Not cheat on you every chance he/she gets
Lmfao. You think you're real clever with your big boy word you came up with. "Voturbating"? Uhhh yeah that's real clever. You should keep using it, it really helps mask the fact what a fuck tard you are. I'm not sure why you keep thinking I'm threatening you. It's pretty pointless to threaten someone on Steemit considering there's no chance I'd ever meet you. Now...if you actually did want to meet, I definitely would. Might take a while to make it happen depending where you are, but if you're down I'm down. Let me know. Even if you did want to meet, I still wouldn't threaten you would I beat the shit out of you? If I'm being honest, yes...yes I would. I'd try not to, but someone needs to shut you up and I think a good ass whooping would really help.
I really hate flagger abuse. Flags should not even affect reward IMO. I spam the blockchain everyday with my bot. I run the bot under a different username. My bot's posts have never been flagged. The spam is about a service that uses Steem dollars.
To eliminate spam equally means to make the "steemit" tag empty and the "steem" one only about the blockchain steem. Aren't all of these super popular posts about steem related products also "spam"? Things would be a lot more quiet aroind here indeed without these posts.
I can't agree more about there being spam everywhere on steemit. I see people plug Genesis mining, ICO's and other crypto's all over the place. But certain posts are just downvoted/flagged
@dan can plug a completely different platform (EOS) and I don't see @steemcleaners flagging him or @craig-grant or @trevonjb or the other dolphins and whales . It looks more like economic discrimination to me. Flag the poor because we are poor and can't fight back. Funny thing is, I used @craig-grant's code to sign up for bitconnect.
I completely agree.... there is something going on with the algorithms that just doesn't "smell right"....
And it seems, by the logic of 'he whom will argue about anything', we little fish are now expected to not only put our necks on the chopping block (commenting views and opinions on posts of users who can easily just "smash" our Reputation and "not censor" our content with just a few of their powerful flags) yet also burn up what precious little voting power we have flagging their spam content. Sure, that seems real fair and legit.
smh
Is this exactly what the creators intended, to have the weak eventually volunteer to give up any value or power they may have accrued battling for fairness and equality in a war with the Whales that they just can't win? To use their "influence" to flag abusers rather than to promote others? Sure seems like it to me.
You need to watch the video that I just posted here. It is pretty clear that Craig Grant & TrevonJB, as well as their BitConnect website are now being exposed as a complete ponzi scheme and they are frauds.
https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@bi5h0p/craig-grant-and-trevonjb-exposed-for-scamming
Furthermore, stop using the "introduceyourself" tag with your posts. I ran into the same kind of resistance myself a couple of weeks ago. That tag is protected and enforced by people on steem who have much more Steem Power than either of us have - so they make the "rules." I suggest you either follow their rules or invest about $50 K into buying more Steem Power so that you can downvote their posts and tell them what you want them to stop doing to you.
Otherwise, just stop using the tag. That's the generally accepted "rule" by the majority of Steemians and you will be fighting a losing battle.
So I read your post, and thought to myself, that's quiet an abuse seeing @ zathras and @ zatrhas. Obviously the same person.
Then, I thought, I wonder if @ fubar165 and @ fubar-bdhr are also. Then interesting enough here on Beerbot's post and look who upvoted him.
If you look at zathras or fubar you'll see similar voting. Also they all resteem steem cleaner.
I guess one person, one vote doesn't apply here in the steemit world. So you're post obviously was flagged by one person who counts as 5
@thebitcoinparty I see you made a similar post.
@queeneleanor
they're all accounts belonging to steemcleaners
only accounts they say, can promote
I was pretty upset yesterday to see that the people in power or higher than us use it to their benefit . They don't really care what we post or anything , they just care for themselves , selfish , yes. We can post the same content and not receive anything , I've seen it
Yeah, welcome to the ugly side of steem where money equals power
I agree
flaggin is WRONG
How can you tell if you've been downvoted or flagged? I see my posts lose value, but I thought that happened as the post "aged" or whatever.
On posts, if you click on votes, it will show upvotes with a "+" and downvotes with a "-", then the person's name who did the voting
Oh okay. Thank you.
I actually made a post about the different ways you can tell if your post has been flagged, and if so, who flagged you. You are welcome to check it out on my page, don't want to throw a link into someone elses post out of respect for them.
Great :)
There is also good in this. Some people (not you) are just evil and will post lies to destroy your reputation. There must be a form of policing to protect the innocent from 'fiends' surely? I would say though that there should be a way of redress. If you feel aggrieved you should have a channel to go down to voice your discontent. It never pays in the long run to publish discontent or names on the block chain. X
If they don't start none, won't be none. Their flags and comments hurt the people that they flag and they know this. It is arbitrary and these people don't work for steemit.inc. So it is ok to be a bully if you have a lot of power? But it is nokay to fight back and namedrop because it might hurt their feelings? There is no good in Nazi behavior.
That is why a system of redress is required. Complaining on line is no good, we require a pathway to an arbiter who can legitimately look into the issue. Flagging by us would make the post visible to this arbiter who can make the 'official' decision. Better than causing grievances unnecessarily. Just my thoughts, as I said I have been on the receiving end of nasty people who published lies about me. The post did not get general coverage because it was flagged up by several of the people you now criticize. There are two sides to every story. I am sorry if this offends it is not meant to, I just want to make you aware of the other side to the story. X
You have a good point. There should be an arbiter. Unfortunately there isn't one so we are left with the devices we have available. I do understand the need for some entity to guard against personal attacks and plagairism, however we don't need a nanny to protect us from advertising. I have discernment, I do not see the need for an anti-spam censorship brigade. I am an anarchist. This is too much like a centralized government telling people what is ok for them to see or not see i.e fascism, hence the reference to Nazis. I wish @jeffberwick , the @dollarvigilante could see this, he is big enough to put a suggestion in that would be read. And maybe heeded.
I agree there should be some mechanism to fight plagiarism I just don't see a solution better than the current system. One option is tocentralize things and put some actual steemit employed admins on to enforce some set of rules everyone has to follow.
If you don't want that centralization of power then you leave it up to the people to police themselves. When you do that people are free to use their voting power to upvote or downvote whatever they see fit, regardless of reason.
I totally agree with you. We need the powerful to take the issue forward. I am sorry I got involved because a white middle class 'wrinkly' with no experience really of the www other than using it as a fantastic research tool and publisher of my 'ramblings'; I only thought an Arbiter would help those who feel aggrieved and enable them to get redress from somewhere, without having to resort to anger. I understand their frustrations. I also understand the other side too. There is a need for someone to stop malicious content. I hope you understand I am not involved, just an outsider who tried to put another point of view forward. I agree nor disagree with anything. I have suggested this to both of the above. X
I understand and I also see that you have some of the yummiest recipes on steemit. I followed you.
You are so kind. I do feel bad about getting involved with the discussion on 'trolls'. I cannot keep my big mouth shut!!! X
OMG I don't know. I am sorry I got drawn into this, I only wanted to give a sense of the other side. I come from a country with the rule of law, so generally, respect for authority is usual. I expect authority to play fair, as I expect the powers that be will play fair. I am not used to the concept of free for all. I am now withdrawing from this debate. I wish everyone, peace, goodwill and happiness. X
Honestly, I am not getting exasperated. I have had a few harsh replies to my comments. I only wanted to put a suggestion forward. I have no interest in creating aggression. I love this platform and get great delight from the interaction from like minded people. I just pointed out the other side of flagging. I had a malicious assault on myself and it was thanks to several of the people who had been named, that this malicious post was stopped from going out fully. There is an absolute need for someone to 'police' the site for awful content. I just thought there should be someone who the aggrieved can go to to redress their issue.
This someone has got to have the power to take an action and also over turn an action where necessary. He/she therefore must be part of Steemit, a paid employee perhaps. My thoughts on rule of law were stated to just say, we all have to trust in this. The arbiter must be trusted to do the job, that is all I meant. I am lucky; generally, I have confidence in the role of government and policing, because my life experiences have shown me that overall, I can trust my government/police to follow rules. (always exceptions of course, that is why I say generally)! I do ramble. Hope this answers you. Kind Regards. X
No system can ever be perfect. There has to be an element of trust that the position will not be abused. I realise there is a very fine line between restrictions and freedom. How could an Arbiter restrict though? He/she would be there only to be approached when someone feels unfairly treated. The flagging system (according to some) does not work and is being abused. Would it not be better for those who feel unfairly treated to have someone to go to rather than be angry and frustrated, live on the block chain. As to the schematics of it; there are better business brains out there than I, I just made a gentle suggestion. Sorry. X
Thanks, I haven't read it but I have read this. https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@steemcleaners/announcing-steemcleaners-the-steemit-abuse-fighting-team
Found it while I was looking for an answer to my immediate problem....it wont let me post on steem! Last night I could not even reply to posts. The system kept telling me: bandwidth limit exceeded. Please wait to transact or power up STEEM. It just shows you how little I know! Appreciate the effort and dialogue. X
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We should start @antitroll account and stick it to em. If a lot of minnows delegate their power like minnowsupport does, then we have an account to fight Nazi trolls like @steemcleaners and their merry band of bullshit artists. #antitroll I was told this was a censorship free environment. We should also push for reparations. @dan @ned do you see what this self appointed group is doing to steemit? Or do you even care?
There is a powerful anti bitconnect group here. They down vote all bitconnect stuff.
Yes welcome to some new type censorship on steemit i am see everyone post about any mining being flag as spam it is 100% censorship and i am sure it is what steemit was trying to stop.
@steemcleaners you gonna censor this to
Welcome and Thank You for being with us!! Following your Blog now
Certain people will defend this to a GB worth of text, while others will attack it with the same vigour.
Bottom line as I see it, it is a Financial Oligarchy and they do nothing to hide the fact. It's so easy to arrogantly tell someone, "Durp, it's open source and you're free to start your own...". It's a valid point yet as far from reality as one can get. Most people can't afford that kind of equipment or even know how to configure it in the first place. Let's try to keep this reality-based.
Anyone who defends an act of one person influencing curation on the front-end by means of multiple accounts and bots, etc. is obviously not a good person. Just because abuse is built into and encouraged within the steem system doesn't make it good or right. No account should be allowed to be nuked by the actions of one, and that is exactly what can happen.
I understand the base concept when not abused as being beneficial. But in the short month I've been here that's all I've seen is abuse and mis-use (hell, content doesn't even matter any more so long as one has a sufficient Network... you can post pictures of other people's dog crap and so long as your crew upvotes it you all make profit, posting spam, while smashing the opinions of other little fish trying to support other little fish).
It is b.s. I would leave... except I'm not here just for profit, it's sorta fun calling out the Illuminati/NWO 2.0 Wannabes.
And for anyone to defend the ability to nullify the upvotes and potential payouts from 20, 30, 40 or more Red Fish/Minnows by the flag of ONE account (or one person controlling a Network of Accounts) is to listen to someone defending tyranny & oppression. Even in a "made-up" world called a "social site" that "makes up the rules for it's own gain".... bad is just bad. Typing and quoting "the White Papers say it's allowed and encouraged, screw you're opinion" doesn't make it any more good or right.
This is a great post, I think if more people expose this than all the flags in the world won't help it all catch up to them.
Lmfao. You sure think high enough of yourself to think I give 2 shits about your opinion. I bet you feel real important now. Trolls anywhere else on the internet only talk shit. Trolls on Steemit can take away profit from a post. Obviously many others agree with me. So stop thinking your opinion matters, and go do what you do what you do best elsewhere...which is obviously being a troll. D bag.
You're not very bright are you. Did you actually look at the pages of the names I posted who flagged my original posts? They all belonged to 1 or 2 different people with multiple accounts. That's not called curating, it's called taking advantage of the system and being a dick. There was nothing crap about my original post...it was basic information. If everyone thought the way you did, and just started flagging every post because they don't care about it, Steemit would be one trash and no one new wound ever join. Keep up the good work of proving how much of an idiot you are
So according to you, I should just be ok with this @adm bitch constantly flagging my post to remove all rewards I had? Yeah ok...sounds good. His account is $750,000 so he can basically remove rewards from any post from anyone no matter how much the rewards are. I can't wait to find out who this guy is...I have the resources to find him and I will find him and we'll have a nice little chat. See you soon @adm!!!