Earlier today I was waiting for my computer desk that I bought to be delivered at home. I was wearing this yellow top with no bra because basically, I'm at home.
Looking over at the street, waiting for the delivery guy and to make sure I see him first so he won't have a hard time, mom noticed me and said:
"Are you not gonna wear a bra? You should cover up when receiving deliveries!"
I just frowned and said, "Why would I?"
She didn't say anything after that, but I know what she's trying to say: If I get harassed, it's going to be my fault for not wearing a bra.
Fucked up, right?
Unfortunately, I live in a country where lots of people still blame women's clothing for sexual harassment and/or rape. It has been taught for so many years that it's still there in their minds.
How rampant is it? Just an official page of a police station here in the Philippines posted this:
You girls, on the other hand, should not wear excessively short clothes that when you’re harassed you come to us for help. Think about it too!
You can read the article here.
Thankfully, people who are not dumb were quick to point out and criticized the statement. Unfortunately though, there are still many who have the same thinking as the police chief who posted it.
This kind of mentality just really blames women for everything shit men do. Sex scandal leaked? It's women's fault for allowing the man to record! A woman got catcalled? She shouldn't wear sexy shirt! Man cheated on his wife? It's cos the wife forgot to take care of herself now!
and so on...
It's fucked up that we have to repeat this:
Rape exists because of rapists.
Don't blame women's clothing or try to justify sexual harassment and/or rape for it.
Men are responsible for the shit they do.
And yes, I know men get raped too and dumb people make fun of it which is also fucked up. But the subject here is about blaming women's clothing specifically, so I don't want to go too far from the topic.
But it's important to point out that all harassers should be accountable for their own actions and not try to blame something/someone else.
To conclude, the victim's clothing has NOTHING to do with rape or sexual harassment. You wouldn't ask a baby what she was wearing, right? Or an old lady? I could tell you many incidents of getting catcalled and harassed while wearing a uniform, a shirt and jeans, and other non-revealing clothes but cba writing about them now.
So, quit that bullshit thinking.
This retarded shit happens in Nigeria too where people blame women. It pisses me off so much because it is a flawed logic.
Blaming women for rape because of their dressing is like blaming murder victims for their death because they were breathing. It is ridiculous and should not even be mentioned.
What about the underage girls and babies that get raped and molested? What about women in hijabs and burkas that also get molested? It is ridiculous to even think of blaming women
Exactly! I feel sad for the women in Nigeria and all over the world who can't speak up. This victim blaming shit is one of the reasons why they are afraid to speak up. :/
You are absolutely right.
If someone thinks for a one second that the victim is in any way to blame, they are worthless as humans. Rape is never acceptable in any way. Never.
Because if we would define a certain line that in this particular case the victim provoked somehow and is partially to blame, it's just few steps away from blaming the victim for everything and letting rapists think and do what they want. It's a tiny step because if someone thinks it would be the victims fault because their skirt was too short, the next step could be that the victim was to blame because they didn't cover their shoulders, knees, wrists, ankles. Had too beautiful eyes, had too allusive smile. It's a tiny step from demanding to putt ones bra on to covering everything with a black cloth that shows no figure or not even eyes.
As there are assholes that think it's okay to blame the victim, the only way to make the world better is to change the way people think, not change the rules what kind of clothes people should wear.
So we do have to repeat this.
Never blame the victim.
Never blame the victim.
Never blame the victim.
No matter how modern we are since we have reached the social level, there are still unresolved issues: gender discrimination, racism, religion ... Then we overcome such things, maybe then we can be developed ... Meanwhile, women are free to wear everything they want. . The mentalities that try to prevent this also try to prevent individual freedoms. And actually it is about life style and old people lived in a less modern life and also they faced many stricted issues...But you are right and I support you about this issue...
Agree! I think we can't totally remove those, we are humans and bad things exist.. but I believe we can at least make them less. Having those 100% removed is a definition of a perfect society lol.
Rapists should be dealt with the "shotgun solution"... no big metaphor here just a big ass hole in the stomach wi a big gun that's all, no victim should be blamed for what a monster does, fuck them, if you want to go out without a bra it's your choice, I stand with you
I may be biased because I've never used a bra but I don't care
Yeah I support that shotgun solution! 😅
The fucked up thing about that is even some women blame fellow women, when they should be the first to understand. :/
So who do we blame for that awesome curls on your head? Hmmm, someones got to take responsibility for them!! Own up
Me... cos that's the result of not washing it for a few days... so it's not down as usual 😂
I like the look, the hot mess look works for you
Thanks! :D
Oh my so rude to say that to a lady! People should assume the responsability and you are right to stand up for yourself!
Curly hair? Very nice!
Yeah, and the fact she was a lady too. :/
Thanks! Though I didn't wash it for a few days, that's why it looks kinda stylish haha
😂It's cool
As I said in my tweet, nakakasuka at nakakahiya. Men are trash in all levels.
Yeah. I'm glad to say not all men though, but yeah most men here in our country are like that :/
@hiddenblade, hello there? Well I think rape isn't provocateur because of the way people dress, I think individually we can't train our mind to be disciplined because I think rape is more of a mind thing, people blame their sexual misappropriation on rape but this isn't or shouldn't be the case at all. You're home you have no reason to suit up. All the same orientation is key.
Yeah, sadly some people still blame it on the way someone is dressed. Well even if I wasn't home, I should be able to wear whatever I want... It's just nipples, everyone has them. The same with men, they should be able to wear whatever they want without getting harassed.
First, I'm surprised to see your real face.
Whose to blame about this matter? I will state my own opinion about this matter and maybe as a man as well. This is an honest opinion..
Actually the one to blame about this are those guy who has an illness emotionally. Me as a guy feels something different if I can see seductive dress from women. It's part of me that maybe I was just idolizing her or she just caught my attention. But it doesn't mean that I can do those stupid things. I can control it because I value my life more rather than that fucking something.
Summary : It's not just because we are guy. It's because that rapist has an illness to his brain.
The woman can be blame in stupid reasons. Because that kind of people couldn't resist the hotness of a woman's body.
So, yeah.. it's the rapist to blame. Not just because we are guy, it's kind of offensive seeing comments just because we are men.
Sya nga pala.. ganda mo ah.. walang malisya ha, paghanga lang. hahaha
Yeah. They can always admire but they should respect. Just because someone is wearing something that catches attention doesn't mean they are asking to be touched, etc.
It's always the rapist's fault and not the victim. It's not the woman's fault if they are hot. They should keep it in their pants.
I never generalized it.
And thanks for the compliments!
@mrnightmare89 read this if you are a Christian... Kapag ito pinalusutan mo at humanap ka ng excuse. Don't try to call yourself a Christian! What a shame for a man who is against the word of God!
ENGLISH:
1 Timothy 2:9 - 10
9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 - But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
TAGALOG:
9 - Gayon din naman, na ang mga babae ay magsigayak ng mahinhing damit na may katimtiman at hinahon; hindi ng mahalagang hiyas ng buhok, at ginto o perlas o damit na mahalaga;
10 - Kundi (siyang nararapat sa mga babae na magpakabanal) sa pamamagitan ng mabubuting gawa.
This is why I think religion is bullshit, no offense lol
This is ridiculous. But unfortunately, we live in a world that no matter what happens to a girl, it will always be the victim's fault
Indeed.
IMO, the best solution for this is to teach women self-defense(especially daughters at a young age) because no matter how they'll dress up, rapists will always find a way to satisfy their maniacal needs. And I agree, there is rape because there are certainly rapists that exist.
Kabibo bas debate diri oi. :D
That's one solution. Or we all stop blaming the victim and start looking at the act that's wrong as is.
Wala naman unta dapat debatehan kay 2020 na. Apparently, someone's stuck in the Old Testament.
Yes, I don't know nganong naa pani nga issue tbh, or maybe kay tungod naa gihapon sa huna2x sa Filipino ang pagka conservative culture?
For me jud, advising is better that restricting, it's one way of showing that you care and you're concern labi na kita mga lalaki kahibaw ta sa ubang lalaki. Unya buang jud ang tao labi na lalaki nga mublame sa victim about rape. *cowardice.
Exactly! Asa mana sha nangahoy sa iyang argument oi? It's offensive to @hiddenblade and I find it offensive gyud. There's no agree to disagree then it comes to topics like this. No sugarcoating. Muinsist pa using the Bible argument. Ayaw ko sugdi ug Bible2x kay gibasa ko na kadaghan gikan Genesis hangtud Revelation.
absurd kaau nga argument kung maghimo kag scenario, for example imong anak ba ron narape. tsk!
Unya gamay rakog nahibaw-an anang bible2x, basta ang importante, kahibaw ka mudistinguish sa sakto og dili, though makasala man gihapon ta. :)
Sakto gyud na. Mao jud unta dapat. Ang kuyaw kay dili kahibaw mudistinguish ug sakto ug sayop kay mao gitudlo sa ilang simbahan.
Yeah, but at the same time teach boys while they are young too. Also eradicate the mentality about clothing because it really does nothing but scar the victim even more.
Yes, definitely jud. labi najud karon nga free to access tanan sort of illicit things whether online or not. Plus pa sa circumstances of not having the best welfare given to mold someone's mind emotionally and socially better.
excellent publication my love, violence or sexual harassment very important topic and that we must always take into account, I really liked all the words you mention are completely true, you are super beautiful 😍, kisses princess 💋😉
Thank you! Never be afraid to discuss this important subject.
oh how right you are! many women and societies are still dealing with these dirty mentalities. !.
Which is really sad! I hope someday they'll realize that this mentality is wrong.
I wish .... I think it will not be a valid wish for this century. : / maybe grandchildren of our grandchildren will not have these problems!.
read the post with intrest. I guess you are right, but how one should struggle with this petrified shit in minds? learn aikido?..
so, it is you on the photo? nice outlook!
That's one. It's always good to know self defense. But mainly I think we need to focus on teaching boys and men about consent. It always starts at home, we should teach as young as boys on what basic respect is. Aside from that, I think we need to allow them to fully express their emotions without getting ridiculed too. And for the men and women who blame it on clothing, it's not too late yet. We are fighting to eradicate certain toxic thinking and it's never too late for them to change their views. If we stop blaming it on other things and start owning up to responsibilities, I think it will be a better life not just for our generation but for the future as well.
yes, agree.
Is that really what she meant??? I mean when i take deliveries i dont dress appropriately always but when that happens I just pop my head out the door.
I dont think it has anything to do with harassment. Just decency towards other human beings. The delivery guy doesnt need to see my crotch or my hairy ass in underpants.
If thats true, thats fucked up. I cant comment on countries that arent in Europe or USA since my experience doesnt go further then that.
But if that is the opinion of the police force in Philippines then there is some serious reform necessary.
I wouldnt agree with that completely. If someone wears something where half her ass is out, tits popping out her shirt shes more likely to get approached by men since she is obviously trying to attract attention.
Imo that increases the likelyhood of harassment. That being said, in no way does that justify rape. Youre free to attract attention in any way you want. That in no way gives anyone the right to touch you or harass you.
Anyone that says otherwise is a piece of shit.
Yep, I know her, she's my mom. :)
How in the world is wearing a camisole inappropriate? Does nipples under a camisole offend you that much? What's wrong with nipples that you have to label it as something inappropriate as if we're molesting other people by not wearing a bra underneath? #Freethenipple.
I don't actually mind you showing your crotch, you aren't in a workplace to dress formally, you are in your home receiving deliveries. I don't see it as indecency and I don't see it offensive.
The audacity of men?? You think we dress to attract attention from them? Sure thing it catches your eye, but it doesn't mean we want you to approach us or we are trying to get your attention. No, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR IT.
Well that's it, that means you believe that the clothing has NOTHING to do with harassment at all. Gaining attention for it doesn't mean it has something to do with it. They are harassed simply because they are a piece of shit.
Its about not making the other person uncomfortable and maintaining the situation inside the relationship you want with that individual. Do you want the person to feel aroused? Do you want him to look at you in a excessively sexual way? You can care about it or not. Its your home, you do what you want to do. I try to avoid making other people uncomfortable and try not to raise emotions i dont want the other person to feel when i can. I make them uncomfortable when i want to as well. lol
Its just that. Youre free to do what you want to.
I dont think this situation with your mother has much to do with harassment though (maybe im wrong). If thats actually what your mother meant, "dont wear that or you will get molested" thats strange honestly.
Yes. Women dress to attract men. Some dress to make other women jealous. Some dress to make themselves feel better. But yes. A lot of women dress to impress men.
Men dress nice to impress women. Do you think we use perfume because we care how we smell? lol
All of that is natural.
The point is: "No youre not asking for it". Just because some women dress to attract attention doesnt mean they want to have sex with you. They just want attention. Whats wrong with that?
It doesnt mean men have the right to "take it" beyond what the woman is willing to do.
Thats obvious.
What you experienced in Philippines isnt something thats unique to that country. You have people say stupid shit like that everywhere. In the west its not something they would say public most of the time but do in private.
Stuff like this falls into the category of people not being able to think.
Most folks are simply morons.
This is really something that we should stop. And rape case in my country is just increasing day by day. And why not coz the culprits who gangraped a girl in 2012 got to hang in 2020. And not about wearing short dress. Small girls of 3-5 years of age also getting raped. what do you say about this?
Humans are turning into evils day by day.
That's really terrible. I've heard rape cases in India are pretty high and it's sad to know that it is still increasing :( Those innocent young girls and boys don't deserve it. Nobody deserves it. It will just scar them for life. :/
Once the rules become strict and culprits are punished, then it might stop. But these peoples are not taking any steps
Hey darling! How are you? I hope your order has arrived safely! Until when we are going to put labels or blame people for a clothes, color and others ?. It is terrible when a society with a more closed mind than a can, does not see things beyond their noses and not because according to "it is what it seems or how you look." That I have my breasts free and comfortable does not mean that another person has to disrespect me (If that is the mentality, they will do it with or without a bra). My mom usually tells me some of those things and I stay hmmmmm, what does that have to do with it? (Recently I painted Fuscia's hair and she said it looked like a Traffic light lol).
Well it is a very murky topic here since as you say, they always want to blame the woman for her way of dressing and it is something that I do not agree with, because the person who commits sexual harassment, not only does it to those who do not have bras or short clothes but even girls with uniforms (as many cases are often seen), in a way they are like morbid, fetishists, perverted minds. What many people say is that the victim has sought it, has it been sought? Who is looking for something like that! It is incredible how society is often a real Dirt! No matter how the person dresses, that does not mean they have a piece of paper on their foreheads that says Violame! Denigrate me! Mistreat me! Harass me! They just want you to follow the rules because according to and to avoid things, when the person who commits the aberrations, he is practically innocent of the case because the victim caused it. You are right! I agree with you completely the fault is not the vestimeta, but the Spicopata that walks through life.
It sucks that they always want to throw it at the victims :(
i feel like i learned enough filipino for one day reading through the comment thread
Hahaha! We have to revert to our mother tongue because someone requested it. He cried foul because he thought we misunderstood his statements when it was very clear he had a very retarded argument.
How dare you not trust one of thousand religions based on nothing but belief from rewritten books of the victors!
I would live to that fault for the rest of my life. I guess I ask the hard questions first before trusting anything. 😂
Totally agreed! Even in the nirbhaya case, the girl was wearing a proper covered suit, and she got raped, its not about the length of the clothes, it's about the narrowness of the mindset right now.
No, offense, please... Don't be mad at me, I will answer frankly... For Christians only this message. My opinion...
First of all, to think that clothing has NOTHING to do with rape or sexual harassment. That is wrong... Remember, you are giving a man a motive to look at you. If you are engaged or married, that body belongs only to him and not to other men!
The question is. What is your motive to show your figure or boobs or legs to other men? Then if you are harassed, you will complain and call a police? That is stupidity! What kind of thinking is that! Just to depend on what you want to do? Or do you want to be praised by other people for the beauty of your body?
Please read this...
1 Timothy 2:9 - 10
9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 - But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Using arguments based on an old history book specific to one culture, where a religion was born out of - CHRISTIANITY.
Did you know that it was christianity that made women the secondary gender because your image of a god is a MAN and that a WOMAN (Mary) was only used as a tool through immaculate conception, a concept that was scientifically impossible in that time setting. And from there, women HAD TO be covered in clothes to be called modest. But why is it that Spanish priests were the ones to introduce rape culture, taking advantage of fragile Filipinas? Sucks to say this, but please learn fact from fiction, history from hearsay.
Our ancestors weren't clothed. They were covered in tattoos, not veils. But they didn't rape their women because her breasts were exposed. They respected her. They treated her as an equal member of the society.
And when you committed wrong doing, stealing or perhaps rape if there was any, you get banished from the tribe for life. You get blamed for all the misfortunes of the tribe. That's why our ancestors were afraid to commit crime. Compare that to our society now where rapists are able to walk free and people like you @kennyroy actually defend them. People like you blame the victim. Would you blame Apo Whang Od for posing nude? Because that's her culture as a Butbut Kalinga tribeswoman?
Another thing, you call your church leader a pastor, which means you're a protestant, right? There are at least 7 main denominations of protestants, and probably thousands of other minor denominations. You guys broke off from the belief of Greek Orthodox , of Roman Catholics, and Church of Constantinople but your root was all based on a single MAN god and a WOMAN tool. The fact that you christians yourselves are arguing already shows how inconsistent you guys are. Educate yourself on that please.
Just a piece of advice dear, STOP BITING OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW.
Hayy naku... Hindi ko sila sinisisi? At bakit mo na dinadamay ang mga taga bundok, eh, wala naman silang Alam sa salita ng Dios? Hindi naman sila sakop ng salita ng Dios? Hindi naman sila na aralan. Hindi naman nakarating sa kanila ang salita ng Dios.
The argument is the present na nangyari na may kaalaman na ang tao at hindi na inosente.
Hayaan na ang usapan na yan. Talagang agumento yan at mahabang usapan. Pero hindi talaga dapat pagawayan kung Di dapat lang na pagusapan... (^_^)
Ang may unawa, umunawa na lang... Mas nakikita ang katalinuhan ng isang tao sa marunong umunawa at unintindi... Thanks po sa pag bisita sa mainit na talakayan... (^_^)
Such a sad thing that you think you're more educated than someone from the mountains, yet your moral compass is so low you actually defend criminals.
Such a sad thing that you think education is based on your religion.
And yes the argument is the present wherein people like you are so badly programmed by Hispanic occupation and western thinking that you forgot about respect, you make it an excuse to defend criminals.
By the way does your argument cover topless men walking around in their shorts or boxers, actually giving consent for women to rape them? But that statistically doesn't happen right? Because we're not animals.
Hay nako. You were presented with facts and history and you still didn't get the point? LOL.
Okay na yan kapatid... Wala na naman patutunguhan usapan na ito. Di tayo magtagpo sa usapan, kasi lagi kayo patalon-talon ng halimbawa at dahilan. I get your point, the problem is, pinipilit mo kasi yung argument mo sa ebidensya ko na hindi naman galing sa akin, ibinahagi ko lang. Nag dagdag lang ako ng paliwanag ko sa sitwasyon.
Pasensya ka na kasi na trigger ako Lalo, ng nabastos mo yung salita ng Dios na kinikilala ko. Hindi naman kasi ako makakapayag na sirain ng sinoman ang sinasabi ng Dios...
Salamat sa mahabang argument... Magandang topic kapatid. Pero next time, ingat sa bibitiwang salita na ikabababa ng iyong pagkatao...
Nope, hindi ikabababa ng pagkatao ko ang pagdedefend sa mga biktima. Alam mo ano ang ikabababa ng pagkatao? Pag dedefend sa rapists. Yun.
Pag de-defend sa rapists??? (^_^)
I can't even regard the guy. He's one of the people that facilitates rape culture. If his daughter ever gets molested, he'll blame her and fuck up her self esteem.
Which is really sad. Imagine the trauma that she'd have to deal with.
this! so obvious. shit is in the minds.
@kennyroy pretty bold of you to use bible verses here but sorry to burst your bubble because the very religion that brought rape culture into this country is Christianity itself and the very friars that taught us the bible are the very same people who did the raping of our women.
Pre-hispanic Philippines respected women. They were warriors and priests, and the men did not have the concept of raping warriors and babaylans.
Educate yourself, dear, don't limit yourself to just reading the bible (clue: I've read the bible cover to cover). Read more books. I've studied both religion and history for more than ten years and took women studies classes as well so this is not a biased opinion. These are solely based on what transpired in our history. Again, educate yourself. Or maybe start with this short article:
https://filipinawomensnetwork.org/epahayagan/did-you-know-pre-colonial-philippines-longstanding-tradition-of-women-leadership-and-mysticism
Or maybe you can check out Bontok, Rapeless (Walang Rape sa Bontok), a documentary about indigenous people who had no concept of rape. Their women walked around with EXPOSED BREASTS and take BATHS NAKED in public, but NEWSFLASH, THEY DIDN'T RAPE THEIR WOMEN because they respected them and their culture taught them it was wrong. Look it up, year 2020 na, don't be lazy
Ahhh... Blame the Catholic Christianity and not the true Christians... I know that history... More than 300,000 people pinapatay ng CATHOLIC PRIEST!
Pretty bold of you to assume you're the true christian.
No, we don't dress for men for fuck's sake. We dress for ourselves. Where did you get the audacity to think that whatever things we do is for men?
No, my body belongs to me, not to any man, not to any other woman, only mine! I am not a slave and nobody else owns my body, whether I am married or not. If your religion teaches you that, maybe you need to reconsider if your religion is doing good for you or not.
If I show my cleavage or my vagina or whatever part of my body, I am doing it for me and not for men. The nerve lol. Our world doesn't revolve around you.
Of course, we are harassed and it's the cops' job to arrest the one who harassed. What's stupid is you thinking it is our fault and not the harasser. We should wear whatever the fuck we want, and you stupid men should keep your hands to yourselves!
We wear clothes we like because we are comfortable with it, we feel good about it, we are happy with it. And you stupid men should stop thinking we do it for you!
I have read the bible and all I learned was pure bullshit. Its teachings are misogynist, no wonder why you are one too.
Ahhh... Now I understand. And I did hurt your feelings to my words. The truth really hurts. LOL
So, you are an ATHEIST or an AGNOSTIC. I have no question and comment on that. No more argument, you will never understand the logic and common sense in the Bible, because if you understand, you will never say that bad words against God.
I have a wife and children, I teach them the right clothes to wear so that they will look respectable.
Continue whatever you think is right and make you happy... Good luck!
Right. Look respectable. Just the look. All I see is disrespect in your comments. You're hiding your misogynistic and backward thinking in the idea that whatever you're argument is true because it is based on the word of God. LOL
The audacity to bring God in an argument when the very basic morality is rotten to the core. Laughable at best, very concerning at worst.
E di mag tagalog po tayo para malaman nyo. Nahihirapan ako sa English nyo... HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE Lang po kasi natapos ko... Okay ba sa inyo tagalog para MA close na itong napagkamalian nyo? Okay po ba? Para lahat ng Filipino Maka-relate ng madali... ☺️🙏
English, Tagalog, Bisaya, Ilonggo. Kahit na anong wika pa ang gagamitin mo, walang maaaring gawing palusot sa panggagahasa. Tawagin mo pa namang estupido ang biktima dahil nagsuot siya ng maikling damit? Saang lupalop ng kalawakan ka kumukuha ng ganitong argumento?
Yan ang sinasabi ko KIM... Kung naiintindihan mo ang kaibahan ng paliwanag sa English at Tagalog, maunawaan mo ang sinasabi ng tao. Dahil meron sa Tagalog na hindi mo masabi sa English... Lalo na at hindi naman ako kasing TALINO nyo sa English Language...
Kung nasabi ko na ESTUPIDO ang Biktima dahil nagsuot sya ng maikling damit, yun ay dahil according sa post nya.
Gaya nga ng nasabi ko. Hindi naman ako against sa kung ano ang suutin nya dahil free will nya yun? Pero hindi ba't KATANGAHAN na matatawag na magsuot ka ng mahalay na PANANAMIT sa harap ng hindi kilalang tao? Then kapag nagka-nasa sya sa iyo, sino ang dapat sisihin? Eh nagbigay motibo ang babae sa lalake...
Yan lang yung point ko KIM... Mag suot ng nauukol sa lugar... Sabi nga nila "Walang nababastos sa nananamit at kumikilos ng maayos".
Ang argumentong iyan ay naayon sa Biblia KIM... Hindi ako nagsasalita ng ganang sa akin na walang basehan...
Okay na ba Kim explanation ko. Sana po okay na... Kung kulang pa dagdagan po natin ayon sa comment mo... 😇☺️
For years being a Christian, I realized there's no logic and common sense in the bible. Anyway, believe whatever you want to believe, but NEVER apply your moral standards to everyone. The world doesn't revolve around Christianity. Don't force it down our throats.
Continue being misogynist and a toxic human being for having that mindset.
I am not like that person. I cannot blame you, for your pastor has taught you wrong! Again, I am not against what ladies want to wear, except, immodest clothing.
No, I don't need a pastor to understand what the bible is trying to say.
LOL immodest yeah like Adam and Eve wore tshirt and jeans 😂
guy even doesn't understand that we're a secular nation and the pastors or their teachings don't define the laws. Pigs gonna be pigs and will whitewash anything not in line with their own beliefs.
I didn't see this comment earlier. Omg so if one of them gets harassed, it's gonna be their fault for not wearing the right clothes? I feel sad for them honestly...
Mag tagalog na lang pi tayo... Kasi puro papilosopo mga sagot mo, at Di ako makasagot ng ayon sa gusto ko... Okay po ba? Para meron magandang closure... ☺️
Hindi yun pilosopo, yun mismo ang sinabi mo. Kasalanan ng babae pag sya na-rape o nabastos at di kasalanan ng rapist or nang harass. Maling mali yan na thinking.
Yan... Salamat po... 🙏
Hindi po kasi sa lahat ng oras at pangyayari ay kasalanan ng babae? Lalo na kung hindi naman po pinahintulot ng Dios na mangyari... ☺️
Sa kwento mo po kasi sa blogs mo, ang lumalabas kasi ay pagkakamali ng babae at talagang hayag na hayag. Kaya po ganyan ang comment ko... Sana po naunawaan nyo... ☺️
Hindi naman po ako against sa gusto nyo isuot na PANANAMIT. First of all, free will nyo po iyan. Pero kapag na bastos po kayo ng harapan dahil sa PANANAMIT nyo, wala po dapat kayong sisihin kung Di ang inyong sarili. Yan lang po yung point of view ko.... Salamat po sa unawa... ☺️
Now that we have come to this discourse, let me also answer you in a manner that I won't hold back myself.
First of all, there are things we can agree and disagree on and that's fine with me. I totally respect diversity of opinion. However, there are matters that should not be a subject of any debate. Like rape, racism, crime against humanity, these are topics that should be taken as is without the context of who the violator and who the victim is. We don't need religion to be able to distinguish that these acts are wrong. That's my first point.
Second point, what @hiddenblade's trying to point out here is that it's her body and she can do with it whatever she wants. That's outside of anyone's control. You can't impose your religion, ideology, and thoughts as you are encroaching her freedom which is naturally with her regardless of what she's done.
Third point, questioning her motive of showing her body is offensive as it is encroaching her freedom to express herself. Regardless of her motive, showing her body doesn't mean consent. I repeat, it's not a consent that you can touch her or do anything with her just because she's showing her body.
Fourth point, you claimed to be a Christian and yet you condone to the idea of harassment because someone's showing a piece of her skin. Calling someone stupid because she complained of harassment is victim blaming. That should be stopped regardless what context we are in. What should be evaluated is the context of your argument. You're bringing in texts from the Bible which are written thousands of years ago when women are regarded as a commodity, house material, and lesser than men.
Rape, as with any form of harassment, is not about sex. It's about dominance and control. It's about violence. That should be the focus and not a woman's clothing at the time of that heinous crime. Besides, if a woman's body and clothing is the basis of why there's rape, why are nuns and children, infants even, being raped?
Honestly speaking, I'm disappointed to see comments like this. This kind of thinking is the reason why we still have a debate on this topic even when there should be none. #StopVictimBlaming
Last point, since we are nitpicking texts from the Bible to serve as basis of our convoluted argument, here are mine:
RAPE EXISTS BECAUSE OF RAPISTS!
You misunderstood me. Do you read my first sentence?
About that verse. That is not literal if you know the logic of the bible... LOL
Those eyes are bad things! That is why there is a verse in the bible "Mathew 5:28" for men! If you know that? Because if you know, you will not say those words.
Those hands, cut off are the bad works of the hand! Not the literal hands! LOL
Sorry if you misunderstand my message. I am not American to be fluent in the English Language. Thank you for your response. I'm proud to say that I am a Filipino.
You're saying no offense when your very comment is very offensive. I didn't misunderstand you. Your point is very clear. You pointed out that complaining because of harassment is stupid because the victim is showing some skin. Which part of that is not victim blaming?
Now you're claiming the literal sense of the Bible. Why are you bringing a verse in the Bible in your argument if it should not be taken literally? Should we consider the context we are in? Should I take your verse literally while taking mine as not? I'm just giving you a taste of your own poison. LOL
And don't lecture me about cutting off the literal hands. I know the context and nuance of those verses. FYI, I read the Bible more than you can imagine that's why I understand those words should not be taken as is and should be in context.
I am also proud to say that I am a Filipino and I can bring my argument anywhere. In any language or context, there should be no arguments about these topics in the first place.
Kahit na anong wika pa ang gagamitin mo, ang mali ay mali.
Now I'm not proud to see a fellow Filipino commenting like this. Backward thinking.
Ayaw ko na sana eh? Pero masyado ka kasing mapanghamak ng kapwa mo. Mataas pa naman tingin ko sa iyo. Unang una, wala akong masamang tinapay sa iyo at sa mga sinabi ko. At talagang malaking issue ito na talagang paguusapan at hindi naman kailangan pag awayan? Kailangan lang ng unawaan. Pasensya ka na sa English ko kasi hindi ako marunong mag express masyado in English kung napagkamalian mo ako at iba ang dating' sa iyo?
Sabi mo nga, "don't lecture you about cutting off the literal hands." Hindi kita pinapangaralan KIM, ipinapaliwanag ko lang sa iyo sa abot ng kaya ko in English. And if you know the context dahil alam kong Kristiyano ka din, dapat nauunawaan mo yung nakasulat sa 1 TOMOTHY 2:9-10 without excuses...
Pasensya ka na sa wordings ko sa English at trying hard lang naman ako talaga. Pero kung sa tagalog lang, kaya ko ipaliwanag kahit magkabaluktot baluktot pa tayo ng usapan.
Pasensya ka na ulit sa English ko ha at alam ko napagkamalian mo ako, kasi hindi ko alam kung paano i-express. Merong kasing tagalog words na walang katumbas sa English words.
Is this ad hominem in the making, @hiddenblade? 😂
Please realize how crooked your arguments are regardless of what language you're using. And please don't bring language difference as an excuse to your inexcusable perception about this topic. You can express in any language you want as I can with mine. You're proving my point. If men can't suppress their urges just because of the type of clothing women are wearing, then men are trash.
And no, there's no "agree to disagree" when it comes to topics like this. There's no mutual understanding and embracing differences in opinion. It's either you're siding with the oppressor or not.
I don't care if you think highly of me. This is not about me in the first place. This is for the victims out there who are afraid to report because of people like you who blames the victim instead of the rapist. Ad hominem don't work on me.
Tell your arguments to the victim's face and see how they will react.
RAPE IS RAPE regardless of circumstance. And for you to differentiate situations surrounding the act is flawed and very concerning. Realize that the common denominator of all those situations is the rapist. They're the ones who should be blamed. Why can't you men keep your hands to yourself? Also, hindi pamimilosopo ang paggamit ng mga argumentong nakabatay sa tunay na pangyayari.
Again, stop blaming the victim!
Youre the idiot actually. Anyone has the right to show how much of their body they want. THAT DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TOUCH THEM OR HARASS THEM IN ANY WAY.
Do what you want and say what you want but with all due respect, you didn't get the point, sir... (^_^)
Im really good at "getting points".
Youre 100% in the wrong and there is no way you could ever defend your position. Your argument is one thats the easiest to crush.
Really? I'm not sure about that... If you want to make this conversation with sense and with a good closure. Tell me first? Are you a Christian or not? If yes, we can continue. If not, no need, nonsense...
Thank you my friend...
Please read this...
Stupid men shall cover their faces.
Ugly Kid Joe 7:11
The question is. What is your motive to show your stupidity here? Then if you are kicked in the ass you will complain and call a police? That is stupidity! What kind of thinking is that! Just depend on what you want to do?
Genius hahah
Hi @kennyroy, I agree na we as Christians(Im R.catholic), dapat ma-imposed natin sa iba ng tama yung natutunan natin sa ating simbahan about religious beliefs on morality. I tell you, di ako madebotong tao pero tama na sa akin yung malaman kung ano ang tama at mali. Kahit minsan nagkakasala pa rin. Its human nature kumabaga.
But I strongly disagree sa gusto mong ipaliwanag about this rape thing. Here's why: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/870296/4-month-old-baby-raped-in-cebu-pa-5-others-tagged-as-suspects
Now tell me, do you still blame the victim being raped for not knowing the word of God? For example a baby on that article or any woman(re Bundok @xaydtrips) you know na hindi nalaman ang salita ng simbahan mo. Or rather blame the rapist who knew well enough about the crime he commited but still chooses to do so?
My point is di naman nasusukat sa kaalaman ng isang tao about religious restrictions para malaman nya ang basic na morality sa buhay. It's either tama o mali lang.
Kung pagbabasehan mo lng lahat sa bible, hindi naman naisulat sa 10Commndments na "Thou shall not wear sexy clothes" para di ka mabastos, instead sinabi na wag kang magkasala sa kapwa mo at kahit ano pa yan. At dagdag pa natin si Adam at Eve, di ba wala silang mga suot noon, ngunit nung nagkasala sila nagkamalesya na, dun na nagsimula kung ano man ang pinag uusapan natin dito.
Again, I respect your preferences about your beliefs but you're totally wrong on this one. For me, it all boils down to the truth na we're all sinners. But before committing a sin, there's temptation which is answerable by a yes or a no.
Innocence is a bliss, spare innocence.
@ybanezkim26 @hiddenblade
Salamat po sa comment @themanualbot... (^_^) Uulitin ko po ulit at gusto ko linawin para wala na po talagang argumento? Kasi lumalayo na po yung usapan. Pasensya na kayo kung di nyo ako naiintindihan. Kasi po ang pinunto ko ay ito lang po na sinabi ni Ms. @hiddenblade at nasawsawan ni Mr. @ybanezkim26. Pakibasa po sa ibaba...
Yan lang... Dyan po nagsimula... Wala na po ako ibang argument Kung di yan lamang... Nagtataka nga po ako at bakit napunta as ibang usapan at nag jump na sa ibang point of view? Kaya lalo ako naguluhan sa kanila kung ano gusto nila ipunto? Eh, ang tinutukoy ko ay yan lamang po... Malinaw naman po di ba? Kaya nasambit ko yung tungkol sa 1 Timothy 2:9-10. Pasensya na po sa hindi maayos na usapan... Kahit ako nagulat sa reaction nila? Napagkamalian lang po ako dyan... Nagtataka nga ako at napunta sa baby na naraped and yung history ng filipino, mga taong bundok, etc... Ano yun? Tumalon na sila... Nawala na yung point... Pero ok na po yan... Tigilan na yang walang kwentang usapan na iyan... Mahirap kasi kapag naiipit, ibabaling ang usapan sa ibang direction? Sabi mo nga, yes or no lang naman or kung tama ba o mali.
Wow! At ako pa ngayon ang nakikisawsaw. Thank you!
Kahit anong pagbabaluktot pa gagawin mo, mali ang punto mo. Hindi ka talaga namin maiintindihan dahil mali-mali ang mga pinupunto mo. Wala na dapat pang argumento kundi ang rape ay rape at ang rapist ang dapat sisihin.
Read all your replies again. You're the one jumping from one issue to another. The argument of @hiddenblade is simple: HARASSMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLOTHING. You injected your religion in the issue which should not be the case because the context is wrong. I have the obligation in my self to speak up to things I deemed right. So, I made it clear in my first reply to your comment.
You injected na proud Filipino ka kaya dapat magtagalog. That's what I understand from your statement. No one's stopping you. Bakit pag nag-English ba di na proud Filipino?
I made my point clear and you resorted to smartshaming. You smartshamed me for pointing out the flaws of your argument.
On @xaydtrips comment, you talked about taga bundok and stuff which is really offensive for those people. We claimed to be more educated and yet they're more civilized than us.
You're saying no offense, but your first comment started all the offenses. @hiddenblade messaged me about it which is why I stood up for her, although she can stand up for herself and she really doesn't need my help. To be clear, she was not asking for help. She's pissed and offended. I am offended too for all the victims out there who can't speak up because of people like you. I always advocate for freedom and fairness that's why it's just right to speak up if you have been wronged.
@themanualbot entered the scene because he himself knows your argument is wrong on all levels. That kind of teaching is the reason why a lot of rapists go unpunished.
Read all the replies of your comment and even on @hiddenblade's post. Evaluate why people reacted that way. Lastly, now I feel you're acting as we or I attacked you. Stop that pa-victim game if you're trying to pull it off. It won't work on me.
At ako pa ngayon ang nakikisawsaw. LOL
Ano ba dapat na term instead of "nasawsawan" hindi "nakisawsaw" po ha, paglilinaw. Pasensya ka na ha @ybanezkim26, iba kasi dating sa akin ng sinabi mo sa English kaya ko naman nasabi na baka pwede magtagalog tayo? Kaya nasabi ko din naman sa comment Proud Filipino ako...
Wag mo masyadong pagkamalian ang usapan at mag overthink. atyung sinasabi mo na "TAGA BUNDOK"? Ano bang term ang gusto mo gamitn para maintindihan instead of "TAGA BUNDOK"? At anong "smartshamed" ang sinasabi mo. Eh wala nga akong ipagmamalaki sa sarili ko... English ko nga barok! Grammar ko nga mali-mali... Ano pa ba gusto nyo ipunto sa pagkatao ko? HIGH SCHOOL lang naman natapos ko! O ano pa? Broken Family ako! Ano pa ba gusto mo malaman at sabihin sa akin?
Ibinaba ko na sarili ko para hindi nyo na ako kailangan laitin pa... At hindi ako nagpapaawa! Sinasabi ko lang yung totoo at kung ano o sino ako. Hindi mo na ako kailangang ipagdukdukan pa...
Kung kayo pala ang may alam at nakakaunawa, bakit nyo pa pinatulan yung comment ko na against sa paniniwala nyo? Hindi ba't kamangmangan yun...
Again, pasensya ka na sa mga nabitiwan kong salita... Paumanhin kung may nasabi akong salita na di angkop sa iyong pangunawa at pandinig... Pasenysa na at di tayo nagkaunawaan... Sana ay hindi naman ito big issue sa ating lahat... Meron lang tayong hindi pagkakaunawaan sa mensahe... Salamat sa Dios, KIM... Ingatan nawa po palagi... (^_^)
Sasabihin ko to in Filipino ha, unang-una ang pag gamit ng wikang Ingles ay hindi nangangahulugang mataas na ang paningin namin sa sarili namin o mayabang na kami. Hindi ibig sabihin na hinihila ka namin pababa. Wala kaming alam sa educational background mo at di rin yan namin tinitingnan o inaatake.
Pangalawa, may mga bagay lang talaga na mas madaling sabihin sa ibang wika. Ano ngayon kung preferred ni @ybanezkim26 ang wikang Ingles? Hindi na agad proud Filipino yun? Kung yun man lang basehan mo, tingnan mo sarili mo.
Isa pa, ang smart shaming ay ang pagpapahiya sa isang tao nang dahil sya ay matalino. Gaya ng sinabi mo sa kanya "Okay na sa akin yan smart boy..." para bang mali maging matalino?
Walang umaatake sa pagkatao mo o sa educational background mo o sa family background mo. Ikaw lang yun.
(^_^)
Thank you @hiddenblade for that enlightening comment about smart shaming. I took offense in the idea that intelligence and educational background was brought to the table when the basis of the discourse should be morality. It doesn't require educational background to realize that rape is wrong because the indigenous people find it disgusting.
You just proved my point. LOL
You're playing the victim card now. Classic. But it won't work on me because you're still defending criminals.
May kalayaan ka mag isip ng gusto mong isipin... God know my point and your poit of view. Sya lang nakakaarok ng puso natin... Wala na ako question about that @ybanezkim26... Nasabi ko na dapat kong sabihn at naipaliwanag dapat kong ipaliwanag. Okay na sa akin yan smart boy...
FYI, it shouldn't be about you. It should be about your arguments. But you brought yourself to the table as if we are attacking you for whatever reason you have.
FYI again, your religion is also my religion, but I was never offended when someone attacked my religion. Why? Because I know religion is just one point of view and not the absolute point of view. You're the one who first brought your religion in all of this, but when your religion is attacked because of its flawed teachings, you ended up crying foul. Have you ever thought of @hiddenblade's feelings when you commented that? No. Because you thought only of yourself and your religion.
FYI for the third time, maybe it's time to evaluate those teachings if those are still applicable today. Maybe it's time to abandon absolutism. The God is know is for the poor and oppressed and those who lacked justice. I'm not sure about you.
It feels as if I'm antagonizing you, but I'm not. I'm just simply giving you a mirror to reflect. I hope this will serve as a reminder to always check our moral compass. Sometimes you are alienating the people you wanted to save from damnation just because of your crooked view on things. The concerning thing is that you're masquerading your views in Bible verses. It doesn't work that way.
Hindi talaga uubra yan kapag matigas ang puso ng isang tao at igigiit ang kanyang sariling unawa... (^_^)
It's like a glass of water, puno na ito. Upang malagyan ng bagong kaalaman, kailangan mo muna isang-tabi ang laman para magkaruon ng bagong kaalaman. (^_^)
At yung mga sinasabi pa nila ang "walang kwenta". Wala sa ibang direction ang usapan, sadyang di ka lang talaga marunong umintindi. Tapos wow nag comment lang nakisawsaw agad? So ikaw din siguro nakisawsaw ka lang din? Haha.
Maaring nakisawsaw lang ako? Kasi hindi ko naman po ito ARTICLE... Nagcomment lang ako.. Kasi natrigger ako dun sa unang sentence na sinabi ng kanyang magulang sa kanya. (^_^)
Leaving this here for context:
So what about babies and young children that get raped? Is it because of their figure and boobs? People like you make me ashamed of the fact that I was born a Christian.
Good day brother. Sorry, miss understanding. That is not the argument and that is not my point. Read so that you can understand, please...
That was she said and my answer was only for that... No other argument, that is the reason I did said in my comment about 1 Timothy 2:9-10... Am I wrong about that? What do you think?
Yes I think you're wrong because you're focusing on the wrong problem and using the Bible to justify an illegal action makes it more disgusting.
The problem is not how she dressed, the problem is the person that thinks it is right to molest or harrass her based on how she's dressed.
Even if a woman walks around naked, no man has right to her body. Getting aroused by her is fine and natural but attempting to force yourself on her while claiming it is because of how she's dressed is ridiculous.
Going by your logic,it can be compared with saying because I bought a new car, so it means car thief's are justified for trying to steal it or take it by force. The people raping don't rape because of how she's dressed, they do that simply because she has a vagina.
I think brother, you did not get the point? Look at this message of her mother for her. That is a sign of care and love. Read...
Is it right to frown to your mother like that? The mother is just worried about her and that is for her own good. Again brother, don't jump to another conclusion that can make another discussion. Thanks be unto God, brother. I am happy that you have your point of understanding. By the way, I'm not a pastor nor preacher, I'm just an ordinary member of our church. (^_^)
No, that's not being protective, that's being oppressive. Protection and oppression are two different things. Don't try to disguise it and say you just want to "protect" someone.
And what's wrong with frowning to your mother? So you're saying you can't frown to injustice? Just because someone is older than you, doesn't mean they are ALWAYS right. Adults can make mistakes too. Eradicate that toxic trait. Parents should learn to respect their children too.
(^_^)