A few weeks ago we added a new abuse category to our scope of work - Machine-generated or AI-generated writing. This type of content is considered fraud. It is not original content.
Any accounts that are caught using AI article generators may be blacklisted. The appeal for this kind of abuse will be stricter than the usual appeal because using AI to compose posts indicates a clear intention to deceive and defraud. Using AI cannot be accidental.
Even AI itself considers it fraud.
AI Text
If you would like to use AI text, please mention it clearly in your post. Obscuring the fact that the post is partially AI-generated shows a deliberate intent to deceive Hive readers and curators.
Blending in AI-generated text with original text in order to mask and hide it will not work except to further negatively impact your appeal.
Any text created by AI should be treated as an outside source, which means it must be quoted, or print-screened. Basically, treat it like any other quote from any other source.
Please remember that Hive prides itself on original content; at least 50% of writing in the post should be original.
If your post does not fit these criteria, please decline the rewards.
AI Art
If you use AI-generated art, it is not necessary to decline the rewards but please mention it clearly in your post with a source to the tool used, and add a significant amount of personal thought - tell readers what you think about that art.
Art posts are still treated the same as all posts. Half the post should be original.
AI-Based Automated Posting
Please note that any attempt to automate AI-generated postings, either in an image or text form, will result in a permanent ban. Automating such things is nothing more than the malicious exploitation of the reward pool and an attack on Hive.
Targeting individual Hive dapps to siphon their rewards in such exploitation schemes is likewise unacceptable. Although we are made up of many communities, Hive itself is a community first.
With this level of exploitation not only will the posting account be added to the 'blacklist' but so will the remainder of your accounts if there are any. We take attacks against Hive very seriously.
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Well said.
However, economic realities are what they are. Few of us do not use fiat currencies despite any misgivings we may have about the source of such money. The rewards availed content creators on Hive is a large part of the draw for many users, and absent competing financial resources potential, the pecuniary interests we have subject us to the opinions of large stake holders, IRL and on Hive.
Thanks!
Downvoting is not the problem, if this are own downvoting or upvoting, but, they are use the power of others delegate and put people on their blacklist for no clearly defined standards, like they have done with me, for example.
They put me on their blacklisting program, just because I have use AI and not mentioned it. Their have no such proposal or project about how to use it exactly. HW team have nothing about AI on the date of 28.02.2003 (the date when they blacklisted my account overnight) - not even a post about how to use it.
Couple of days latter, after our conversations, they have created a post about how they wont support AI, blabla - this is not a proposal, nor a project.
And this is not ok to blacklisting people just because of own opinions and wishes.
Whoever is on this list here:
https://spaminator.me/api/bl/all.txt
is not be able to earn anything, ever. Because, they will use all the power of others (over million on HP) to downvote all you do.
And this is not what Hivers and community have voted for. It is not ok to use power of other to destroy accounts and communities, just because of own opinions and own decisions.
It is not ok that we let them to do whatever they want. For example, here, they upvote with spaminator 100% on a comment with NSFW image, why?
Looking at my account, my posts are problematic, but, here, the NSFW image is not problem? Moreover, they upvote it.
Another problem: they upvote with adm account on Chinese stuff, like this one: "oflyhigh" , every post of it, why? What is there special? Are these Chinese words of gold?
This adm account is not for own wishes there, it is power of our communities and users, who maybe are not aware how HW team use it, and not to use it to milking Hive. The users like @ocd, @ocdb, @abit need to know to whom they have entrusted their power.
They owe us an explanations about this behaviors, because, that's the power of Hive users, not own power.
Hope the Hive communities and users to wake up and stand up, and ask these HW team people, why they do such things, and why they milking Hive in such manner.
Is using #aiart tag not enough when posting images. Most of my images starting late last year are generated using stable diffusion. I only use them mainly as cover art.
I also occasionally use chat got as an editor to check for grammar and spelling. I find it is too repetitive for writing anything good.
Hello.
Tag is not enough as it can be easily overlooked b curators and readers.
If the AI art in your posts is one of the main highlights of the posts and is used to gain rewards, then it has to be clearly stated in the post that this art was AI-generated. It is also recommended to mention the tool that was used. It is the same when you use someone's photography, images, and art. The community must be informed that you do not create that content.
Using grammar-checking tools like Grammarly to correct grammar and spelling errors is not considered abuse.
Using Chat GPT to write content for you after giving promotes will be considered abuse.
@wanderingmoon feel free to ignore this ignorant comment. @hivewatchers does not represent the Hive blockchain, as much as he pretends to.
YES, exactly, we need to build our own, new HW team, but this time, real one, with real faces and real understanding for people and communities.
Seems like an awful lot of gate keeping for a censorship resistant platform.
and the gatekeepers are one unfriendly un-social pack. they want to keep their club empty.
correction:: it seems to be only one gatekeeper ;)
Exactly, we need to build our own gatekeepers from now on. We see that almost entire Hive users are in fire with HW, and they just keep doing their thing, no matter what we speak, or what we want. Just, what THEY want, they (HW team) are the gods here - but, sorry, not for me, and not for us.
Good to see this is being added. AI generated content is a real threat to genuine content creators 💙
This is really beautiful to read, dear @hivewatchers - I am an old-school art-ist and co-creator, and am really really uncomfortable at how effortlessly sooo many folks are pulled into using AI to make images and then present them as 'art' or 'self expression' - completely missing what ART IS - as in, the ongoing and expansive evolution of our inner world expressed in mastery of a material/s.
Putting tech in-between us and our 'art' is like putting pharmaceuticals between us and our body: we are distorting our natural capacity to express, which is core to our true identity and key to our vital power.
Our hands are connected to our heart and moving from our core can bring profound insight of not just what has been occulted within us, but of our collective, interconnected beingness - without Real Art, we lose track even more of where we are, what we are, and what our Purpose is.
Get back to real life folks! Feet on the earth, hands expressively improvising, making and creating and being alive!
painting in oil, oil pastel and pencil on card, 2022
Sadly this is only about chatGTP and not midjourney.
Midjourney is adopted widely by hive users and whales r seeing it as grey area.
On personal level I dropped my curations from original to 50% lower upvote if I see midjourney. This is my step 1 to stop AI images from spreading. The technology looks good but it is doing damage to artist. Also, diffusing models takes data without permission from artists for training.
People who use AI art openly laugh at real artists saying we will lose our artist job soon.
But as you see AI still has a style and limits...
No one can copy my art 😛
@opidia
I agree with you. Check the bottom left owl 😂. Wings logic rest in peace.
Ahahhaah😂
Many "masterpieces" are like that " van gogh style " on crack
Just because we set us boundary's about that what art is (from the past: use a pen, or oil, bla bla) is not that all of art is.
Art can be, everything we can create, if we use a pen, or PC, or AI. AI, without our ideas is creating nothing. just like the pen.
You use your pen and/or oil, I use my PC and/or AI. The art is done, and everyone should decide for himself what is better for his own eyes.
The modern art is AI, if we wanted or not. In couple of years, no one will ever known that oil shit existed. maybe just a lesson in schools about this, but, who care?
In coupple of years ? ....i doubt , unless we are exctinct.
I dont agree at all with you , tools is one thing.
AI is not a tool , it is technology creating something for you, HUGE difference.
but hey , maybe you dont paint or do days of digitals.
Calling yourself an artist , using AI is pure lie and hypocrisy.
I honestly think it all looks the same in the energy, but maybe because i am an artist and i know how to see the difference and feel ? i have been in hundreds of museums in my life so that helps too.
Who care ? People who enjoy the energy of others.
Ah, ok, i see, you are a sick artist in old fashion, so, don't need to waste energy here with you, obviously you don't understand nothing about PC and technology, because, PC is an technology you use to write this text, right now, without it, you would not b here, so it is a tool, who help you to write not in seconds, but live, and Internet is another technology, equipped with millions of AI chips an technology, that helps you right now to discus with me here. And then, Hive as a technology, to help you create value from just posting some random blabbing or drawing. It use some sort of AI, but, you are to beside to accept it, but you use it. You don't see the difference, because AI who we use now, is to new for you, and many people don't see the value in new technology, they think, OLD is all we can, and all we should ever use..? Why, just because you old-ma uses it, is great? Ahh, common, we are getting nowhere, just stop, and go paint your pen drawing shit. I will newer look at something like this, for me, it looks awful and sad, and newer upvote it. I will never use you oil drawing, but you use all kind of AI around you, like PC and internet, right now - it do all kind of work for you, not in seconds, but live. Why you don't use a pen to write me this comment, and send me via post? Because, that's effort there? Why you use PC then to do this work for you? All kind of chips and technology (AI too) packed in your PC, internet, routers, ...?
See, using an ox to plow is much better than using a tractor (in your and HW opinion here), especially the new ones, which have all kinds of AI in them. So, let's go, let's all use oxen from tomorrow, is that very good for agriculture? Why we need tractors, with all kind of tools and oil, that produce poison smoke in our air? Do you can stop this? The same is with AI - you can not stop it, just look how to embrace it, in the best way.
Ahh, wake up, we live on 2023, and not in 1023...
Midjourney and other art generators apply here and we'll adjust going forward. I strongly recommend that no one attempts to pass off generated art as their own as that is both fraud and an insult to the hard-working artists who create work for Hive with their own talents. It's not worth lying about.
Midjourney terms state that paying members own the created works and can be used with out attribution. Posting such would clearly not be fraud. Should it be rewarded... in a vacuum I don't think so; but there is going to need to be a little more nuance. If I were to build a logo for a project with licensed AI or pay to have one designed it would soon become a trademark in practice and no attribution would be necessary in either case.
AI is going to continue driving the cost of things lower and lower. This is a good thing because we will all have to work less and less. I hope hivewatchers can balance AI reward farming with AI as a productivity tool(grammerly, just typing in japanese...). It's not going away.
If you were using Midjourney to make a logo or let's say a title graphic, that makes sense. If you used Midjourney to create a pile of art and then presented it as if you had hand-drawn it, that's an entirely different matter.
nice tits :D
Nod rilly
Why no?
No nipples, on of my favorite parts of bewbs.
Real art will always conquer
YES! There has been stuff masquerading as 'art' for millennea - and never moreso than now! - but for those who can see Truth, real Art will always be visible.
Maybe only the artists know the difference , energetically .
The ones who use AI feel like they win something but they really sell their soul by clicking on " i accept the terms " button ...
i am happy to enjoy being a real artist and i congratulate you for your cool art 🤍
then, there is no need to ban AI art, is there?
I don't get the logic of this point of view, @captainklaus 🙏
If real art will be always visible, AI can't be a thread, can it?
Just to be clear: As an artists I even go to the length and try NOT TO HAVE ANY AI ART EVER REFLECT ON MY RETINA. I do not like it, and the way it's going.
But I am of the strong conviction that a blanket ban of anything backfires wildly. I find it sad that in many fields this is the way things are handled by the powers that be.
I would be happy if AI generated content would be marked as such (a bit like NSFW). Beyond that, I can take care of myself.
Pretty sure black markets prove your point.
Nobody has here nothing against real art - real art is fine, no doubt. But, the "real" art is not the only art we should use.
Art has broad definition, and broad meaning - no matter how you do that art - it is art.
If I don't like real art, that's my own decision to do so, but, I don't stop you to make your art, how ever you want, using, pen, oil, whatever.
But you will stop me to use whatever I want, for example, I will use AI to create my art. If you or someone don't like it, should not upvote my creations, and that's all. If I don't like oil art, I don't vote on them, and don't go to such profiles to look such art. You and other (HW team) should do the same - but not using the delegated HP power of users to abuse users who use AI to create art.
But HW team is banning and blacklisting user who use AI to create art, and that is not ok, and that is the problem here - and not that art.
Firstly, your art is inappropriate here, and the pictures should be NSFW, but, obviously, HW team like this and use the power to UPVOTE your "not declared" NSFW art something like this, why?
Ahh, NSFW pictures are allowed in Hive, without NSFW flag, and more - they even do upvote your NSFW picture here??? With the power of @spaminator , which is the power that is derived from communities, to show us, how much they like such sexy stuff to be open. Great, isn't?
But AI Art is not allowed. Hmm, let me thinking, what kind of people are really these HW team, who actually upvoted here your NSFW picture on this comment, that is disturbing art??
Anyone see this, how HW team act? Is this normal, is this what we want in Hive? Nudity open for all? It seems like HW is going there, to allow nudity, and ban real beauty art of imagery and writing. Sound familiar with what we have on going in the world with all "our" govs... Exact the same here in this example now of this comment.
Hivers, wake up, before is too late. We need to change this HW team, quickly.
Your projections onto this artwork illustrate its power, dear @obsesija - the human body is not an offensive object, as you suggest here.
There is no 'sexual' inference in the creation of the painting, and your projection of 'disturbing' is a sign of your own relationship with body and innocence of unclothed woman and man.
Thank you for your comment, and at the same time - again - THIS is the POINT of ART - REAL ART: it pulls OUT of us, that which needs to MOVE and be transformed.
Blessings to you and respect to your creative power - you can use your creative power to support others, rather than attacking and projecting onto them.
🙏
It is my own opinion, just like your about AI, so, where we go?
Therefore, I'm suggesting, that if someone don't like my AI images or text i created with AI tools from my idea, should not visit my profil - that's it.
If i don't like what you post on your profile, i don't visit it, or up or downvote. That's it.
But not use the delegate HP power of users to HW team, to upvote and downvote on OWN opinions (this time, HW teams opinion).
I understand the art, but, i don't see the reason HW team is upvoting your comment with the delegated power of users, why? It is clearly, that they up and downvote what they want, not what communities and users want or voted for. That is wrong. That's my point here, not your art.
And, such art of nudity, no mater how is made, should be flag as NSFW, and not be open, too.
I respect your art, and your work, but you should flag it as NSFW, because, it is disturbing here. And it doesn't fit in this dilemma here about AI.
If you create art with pen, or software, where is difference? No mater if it is AI or other software. AI is dumb, just like your PC, without our ideas, it create nothing.
If you're grateful to the commenter, why downvote that comment? Further, you do neglect and completely falsely state that pictures of bewbs are perfectly fine on Hive. @obsesija is absolutely correct that such pictures have been suppressed on Hive after enormous expense of time, effort, and money flagging NSFW pics.
@obsesija is absolutely correct in those assertions.
Your downvote suggests you are being duplicitous OTOH.
Edit: geez, you're a flaggy little account, aren't you? I mention it at all out of compassion, hoping to make you aware that not every account you interact with is someone's main account. If you keep flagging everyone you disagree with, sooner or later you're going to piss off a whale by flagging one of their alts, and then your account will be crushed into the dust of history. It's pretty obvious fat wallets can downvote whoever and whatever they want from the OP and this discussion. Someone with sense might have thought about that before they started throwing flags around just because they felt like it.
I hope you manage to grow some manners before you are flagged off the platform. It's really up to you. Since you seem not to have much in the way of sense, I can only wish you luck. That's all you got.
Great decision! However, I wonder how is it going to be verified?
I realize there are special tools to check with ammount of probability if text was generated, but after using only this there is a hole in the system for text generated in a way to pass these tests.
So the arms race begins.
If the number of AI-generated content increases, it could bring a manual penalty from Google to hive.blog / peakd / ecency and other websites, imo. (even if it is stated that the content was produced by AI) I came across an article about this topic recently. Google executive John Mueller made the following statement:
source
So it's actually best not to use it at all.
This is a good point. It is another detrimental effect on Hive Ecosystem.
We read about it a few weeks ago.
It is good that this information reaches many users, as I have seen several publications that use it, of course they put that it was done that way.
I have never used this technology; however, days ago I saw a publication where they recommended an artificial intelligence application to make translations from Spanish to English with this tool, that is also prohibited.
The truth is that it would save a lot of work. But if it is going to bring minor problems, don't even try it.
I think we should continue to value the original content.
AI poems are crap and art is nice but has a personal touch
As an artist i can tell you i have no fear of losing my job in digital art or paintings because it is a hobby/pleasure and everyone is unique !
This is my 3D for PsyberX game, no AI can match that talent 😄
Maybe it's because the post isn't long enough to explain it, but with all due respect it seems to me that they walk a fine line.
What do I mean? Like those who use continuous banking transactions to disappear a money trail and complicate investigations, passing a text through different IAs who draft, correct, paraphrase and then ask another to do another version of the text and repeat, may not eliminate all traces but complicate the detection of text generated by IAs. There are even untrained detectors that detect translations like this one made by DeepL as AI-generated text, while others once you translate the text are unable to detect it, even if you use a language outside the 5 most common, such as Catalan, Dutch, Italian and do the translation it detects it as AI-generated text because of the words used. So how to measure when yes and when no? At the discretion of the Watcher on duty?
Another thing that I really do not understand and that seems important to me, is that if @hivewatchers has the ability to detect these people who intentionally took advantage of this to farm rewards, what happens to them? Are there sanctions for those who already did it? Is there a public list so that other communities and curators are aware of the people who perform these practices?, since reading the post it seems that what happened happened and from this moment the alarms are turned on to a situation that has been going on for more than a semester.
All this I want to clarify that it is not an attack, they are doubts that I have after reading the publication and I say this with respect.
People who use AI ARE NOT using AI to "farm rewards" or anything. If you don't understand, AI is a tool like any other, that is just fast to beautify your ideas, your text, or create images on your given ideas. It is like your PC, or a software you use every day, for example, you use Gimp, Krita, Photoshop, to beautyfy your images, or add text or fantastic effects to your image - it is an AI software that do this for you. Why don't use a pen? Because, if you beauty your image, or, no matter, if you create an image just with couple of clicks with effects in Krita, Gimp or Photoshop, for example, should be consider fraud? Because, this graphic software is creating this image for you in seconds, just because is fast?
So what now? If i add here in my posts just images with effects created in seconds with Krita, do I should be blacklisted? Because, I create this images fast? The same with text.
Stop thinking that someone who use AI is farming rewards. It is just a tool to work fast on ideas. Like your PC is too, an tool to work fast for you.
Ma'am with all due respect, I learned not to respond on the Internet when I'm in a bad mood.... That's why it took me so long.
First of all, if you don't know what you are talking about, LIMIT yourself to not go around spouting ignorance with arrogance, aspiring others to assume that you have knowledge of it. As someone who has more than 10 years using artificial intelligences, who has programmed them and who uses them daily in his work, I find the crude and meaningless explanation you give to the definition of Artificial Intelligence pathetic and ignorant.
When here we talk about people Farming rewards, I'm talking about users who write, correct, program and publish everything using different AI without any work of their own that involves beautifying or developing ideas, that can be done? yes, but being against it I'm not the one who will tell you how to do it. I don't care about people who use Photoshop AI's to edit their images, or use an AI to translate, at no time I refer to those people as FARMERS.
Compare designing in Gimp, Kirita, Procreate, Illustrator, Canva, or whatever to writing a Prompt in Midjourney.... Not only does it offend me as a graphic designer with 14 years of experience, but it makes me realize that there are still people out there who have no idea what designing entails.
Anyway both in my comment addressed DIRECTLY to the Watchmen I was very clear why these people who are damaging the bounty pool are still out there.... If you use AI as a tool believe me I don't care at all, you can keep doing what you want. In my message I was referring to a specific group.
P.S.: To give an opinion on the internet is very different from wanting to give lessons, and as a suggestion I tell you that you should study a little more about AI because it is obvious that you have a vague knowledge.
Ok, I'm sorry if I misunderstanding your message here, English is not my first language, so, I must use translators and AI to help me out translating.
The "bad mood" is due the fact that HW team is going to ban and blacklisting people that uses AI tools to write their posts, and that is what bothers me and take me to the "bad mood". It is my own decision, how I want to write my posts, do I write with hands, or with help of others, no matter, if this is my brother, or AI, they should not ban users. Just because AI is fast - so they told me in HW appeal discord Chanel, and that is not ok, and therefore "bad mood" here.
More of, there are plugins of AI for gimp and krita, so, don't be offended, because, you obiviously don't known about this. Research it, please.
Look here I posted screenshot of what they ask me, and others to do, if we use AI - it sounds like I have killed someone, and now to do apologize to them? What?
Sorry one more time, if I misunderstanding you - I'm web and graphic designer more than 20 years too, started somewhere in 1997-98, so, I understand very well I'm talking here about, just, maybe I misunderstanding your point, my false, because of "bad mood" that this HW team put me in.
The art should be treated as art, no mater how is made, if you liked, upvote, if you don't, downvote, but not use the power of others to ban and blacklist, because you personally don't like it, that's my point here, because, HW is doing so, and they have no evidence of project where they clearly describe to users about AI using on Hive, beside this and other 2-3 posts that they make - AFTER they blacklisting me and who known how many others here because of own opinions. If you would be blacklisted and treated like so, without any warning or something, just from one day to another, trust me, you would be in bad mood like me, because, investing 5-6 years of work, and then, it come one or two idiots, who have the power to ban you, and more over, they laughing at me in their discord appeal channel (of which I write a post, and I have all the screenshots of my conversations there with these HW people, one of them is @azircon that laughing at me), and no answer at my one question, I ask here in this comments too:
where is the project stated about AI, and how should community use it, or not?
They have created this post here couple of days, after they blacklisted me, not before, and they want now to claim, they described here in this post about AI. That's not ok, and that's why is my bad mood very angry.
Hello.
After we check posts for visual clues, we check these suspicious posts using multiple AI detection tools and compare results.
We also look for many other giveaway clues in the blog.
It's not difficult to differentiate visually which post is an AI-generated article (they have specific structures and words that are detected) from those translated using Deepl or Google Translate.
There is a list of accounts blacklisted by Hivewatchers:
https://spaminator.me/api/bl/all.txt
i added a song to all of the ai detection tools and it said it was not human created... i wrote it when i was 16... wait... am i AI???? dun dun dunnnnnnnnn....
There are some useless detection tools online. I recommend the Open AI detection tool. It requires a minimum of 1000 characters input.
that was the tool i used. but it's crazy how yall downvoted me for something that wasn't explained to me and something that I didn't do in the way you are claiming. I read about this and many people are not liking it. I'm going to post a bunch of articles next week I hope you guys don't downvote them too because Im only gonna use Grammarly lets see. because I know for sure your tools are wrong on at least 2 of my content that was ZERO input. the others I used to reword what I already wrote.
AI is scalable, it can produce content at an industrial scale, so if such content will flood this Blockchain, how would you counter it? I think you need a much bigger setup and resources to filter out such thing and yes it was a much needed move.
Ah, yes, i flood the system with these:
https://peakd.com/hive-163772/@obsesija/exploring-winter-wonderland-in-the-swiss-alps-and-flumsenberg-istrazivanje-zimske-zemlje-cuda-u-svicarskim-alpima-i-flumsenbergu
and this one:
https://peakd.com/hive-163084/@obsesija/the-beauty-of-a-snowy-morning-ljepota-snjeznog-jutra
and, not forget, this one too:
https://peakd.com/hive-179017/@obsesija/entry-for-the-shadow-contestsmash-round-258
So, we flood the system, we take down the blockchain with these pictures and this text.
Are you serious what are you blabbing here?
I consider this to be logical. What I don't know is how will be posible to find out who is doing it. I only hope a witch hunt won't start because it would be heartbreaking to anyone to be banned over fingerpoint.
How is this matter going to be adressed, besides just banning it?
Reality: This is not going to be adressed besides just banning it.
Do you know Hivewatchers appeal-scenario?
I don't know about it. Can you share?
you would have to go to their discord, as it is not happening on Hive.
But only if you want to see something quite absurd....
I have the entire scenario of how they threat us, they laughing at me on their appeal discord channel, and no answer on my question about project where is the declaration about AI.
I have screenshots of everything i discus on discord appeal channel, and i prepare a post, with almost 20 or more screenshots i take what and how i'w been treated there. They just laugh at me, no serious answer about AI project, or whitepaper.
I have screenshot of the SCENARIO what they ask you to do, if you use AI: you MUST do a 365 days appeal, to post every day, 365 days an appeal, to be removed from the blacklist!!!
What they are thinking they are??? Some sort of God? Sorry, but not for me, and i see, not for many people here on Hive.
They (HW team) have nothing about AI, just own personal opinions, that they don't like AI, and therefore, they ban and blacklist everyone.
It is time for Hivers to known their true faces. They are not what we are thinking.
All blacklisted users are offered an appeal. If they decided to follow the appeal, they are removed from the blacklist after passing it. No one is forced to do an appeal, of course. Some users decided to continue posting and be active despite the blacklist.
Appeal is a too short word for the procedure you came up with.
(@selftheist too),
aaand, here is mine, from 28.02.2023 15:05 (way before this post here was created, about AI from HW):
It is "... more severe than other"... and "365 days appeal"... they offered me an appeal, right? Do I have killed someone??? Who have decided this appeal to be construct like this? In which of HW project state this about AI, and how severe it is, if you use the AI? Because, in this link they give me there inn appeal on discord, there is no trace or any word about AI.
Do someone asking this questions, from where we have this procedure here? Who has voted for this?
For using AI in this post:
https://peakd.com/hive-179017/@obsesija/entry-for-the-shadow-contestsmash-round-258
and this one:
https://peakd.com/hive-163772/@obsesija/exploring-winter-wonderland-in-the-swiss-alps-and-flumsenberg-istrazivanje-zimske-zemlje-cuda-u-svicarskim-alpima-i-flumsenbergu
... because, i flood the system with AI... right?
Well, this is a welcome change. There has been AI generated content on Hive since Hive was Steem. As I have always opposed allowing automation of human social functions, I have opposed AI posts, but can recall only very few times making much of a fuss about it of late, because of the difficulty of sorting it. While it has not happened here, my use of esoteric language and archaic literary devices in walls of text has prompted constant accusations of being an AI from people unfamiliar with writing that isn't filled with abbreviations, slang, and substituting numbers 4 words spelled out, elsewhere.
I would find the prospect of sorting toxic chaff from organic wheat daunting, and I hope you're up to the task.
Thanks!
Edit: out of curiosity, I see an automated reply in the comment section of this post, and I wonder how you view that.
In fact, I think this might happen after seeing ChatGPT.
So, let me get this right. If I have the application Grammarly rewrite for clarity using its AI/Logic I need to then "Any text created by AI should be treated as an outside source, which means it must be quoted, or print-screened. Basically, treat it like any other quote from any other source."
Are you being serious here?
Update: I just used Grammarly to remove a ' from it's. It should now correctly read as its.
This is not MLA or APA writing. This is free speech on the blockchain.
We do not refer to grammar and spelling correcting apps like Grammarly that correct single sentences to make them look grammatically correct.
We refer to texts written we the use of AI programs such as Chat GPT.
Who is "we" that you refer to? So, when Grammarly literally rewrites an entire paragraph with AI you're fine with it? What if what was rewriten is only a paragraph long? This all just seems like it's limiting growth. We might as well go back to writing with typewriters and mailing our posts to you to post on Hive for us...
that 'we' is most probably one person. the central ;)
Exactly, maybe 2-3 of them more. The GODS here, why are allowed (but I ask me, from who) to do anything they want and they think with us.
They have the keys of @adm , @hivewatchers and @spaminator accounts. They think they represents the Hive Blockchain and they are the GODS here.
I've thought long and hard to write a post, starting a discussion of a solution. You know the only thing I came up with:
Once powers have powers, there is no turning the thing around. People with privilege NEVER let it go.
So Hive is what it is now, not so interesting anymore to me, almost your good old mainstream narration, just much much smaller. Some people feel at home here, with rules, overlords and such. Not my thing, but if it's theirs, I'll leave it to them.
It is the wall of power, that does not listen... Like in the real world.
Exactly, I'm 100% with your feeling here, the same is for me, and I think, many others now, because, we see, here is not the freedom we thought we had and should be.
I have put extremly much effort for the past years to write my posts, hours and upon hours of writing, and for what? 1-2 Hive... but, @azircon , for a 2 min read posts, earns over 50 Hive... WHY? What is his text better than our? Ah, THEY may have the privilege, because, they are the boses here on Hive, we are the dumbs...
Sorry HW team, we leave you. But, before we leave you, we, real people, with real faces here, will DESTROY you, and take our power back - You can't stop us.
If we don't menage to change the HW team, or to create one new, but with real faces, and not with masks (everyone in the HW team has a profile image with masks - sound familiar from the masonic world, so that no one would recognize them, what they do and who they are. I think they are here too.)
We have real faces, they don't, and people should start asking, why they hide their faces?...
You were the author of the paragraph. You made an effort and wrote it manually. Grammarly improved it by correcting errors and suggesting synonyms.
In Chat GPT, the AI writes everything with no effort on the part of the writer (except writing a few words as a prompt).
I think we continue to find ourselves in an impasse here and I don't think we can move forward or see from each others pov. Let's agree to disagree and continue on with life.
There is so much drama and contro-versy in this comment stream: this takes away from the vital issue of WHAT IS ART - a question which has been completely obscured in recent decades, and which is being further muddied with the combattive dialogue here.
This in turn takes energy-time-attention from the actual Art, and therefore weakens our human relationship with Art and with our Divine Co-Creative vitality which should be at the centre of all that we do.
Original content in regards to what is being shared on Hive is unique and created by the hands, mind, heart, spirit and/ or vital force of a living woman or a living man. It comes from our whole being, or part of a whole being which represents the whole.
AI-generated content or 'art' is that is simply is not Art. Then again, a lot of what is presented in the world, and on Hive, is also not Art per se - but it is a beautiful expression of human being.
Art by its natural meaning has to be original: anything else is mimicry and is not original. This is not easy to police: many folk in this day and age are living in a purely mental construct, and therefor may be writing the same words but projecting a VERY different meaning (or a lesser depth of meaning) from them, even if they are the same words.
Similarly, pixels and algorithms can be used to 'create' imagery, but this will have nothing like the power of depth and meaning, and no essence of expression, like a hand, spoken word or brushstroke could have.
Many folks are using computer programming effects or AI algorithms to not only act like brushstrokes, but to mimic the external layer of a complexly constructed visual language, which in Real Life would have not just multiple levels of expression, development and construction under that outer layer (which would have taken weeks months or years of sincere toil to create), but which also come from a Living Woman or a Living Man who has dedicated multiple years OR A FUCKING LIFETIME THANK YOU to their craft.
Real Art is not dabbling with paint, nor is it a hobby or passtime, nor is it something that can be copied or mimicked: it is a dedicated life practise, evolved through hard graft, sacrifice and the walking of a path of non-compromise, not settling for comfort and conformity. Few folks comprehend this: 'art' as it is presented to us through 'cult'-ure is nothing of the sort, so any argument using the mainstream concept of 'art' as the premise - will only create more mud.
The use of complex, 'exciting' and fantastic imagery to distract and enter'taint' the human mind is a drug of our age: it fills our superficial senses and brings us out of the deeper sentience that should be embodied in our Living mindbodyspiritcosmos: Art is nothing less than that which anchors us in the mindbodyspiritcosmos. In a world in which most of us are floating like satellites outside of ourselves, Art is the umbilical that can bring us back down home: soul inside body, aligned and in natural hierachy, instead of being controlled by preprogramming and brainwashing to be separate from our true identity and the Art Of Life.
We are better than this: Hive should have boundaries around Original Content; this is not censorship; it is clarity of Right boundary in relation to our collective Right Values under Natural Law. It is much needed, and so much lacking in mainstream.
We need Right leadership in any collective to keep this boundary, and to protect the Value of Real Art and Original Content: Hive is a haven for Originality. The keeping of the boundary requires mature conversation and open-mindedness, and a grounded panoramic view of what Art and Originality are - and what they are not.
If there is no vision and if there are no Values, Hive would quickly descend into the same rhythms as other big 'social' 'medias' - as the livingness of it would die: Art is the vital lifeblood of our interconnectedness.
ART is ART - no mater how is made. It is just personal opinion, period.
You use PC to do write here, so for one writer, who use pen, you are a bad actor here. Do you should be banned and blacklisted?
The same is with the art. One that use PC or AI as a tool to draw something with ideas, very fast, is a bad actor for those who use pen.
So, where we go? AI is here and will stay here, we should embrace it, like other things we have to.
And, it is personal opinion, how someone thinking about this, but, I'm not fine to go and ban and blacklist people, just because of own opinion, and because, you have the power. That's my point here, and that's what HW team is doing right now.
In my opinion, your hunting on the AI post should have started after you wrote this post.
Accusing people of using AI to enhance the post and then writing a post after a few days saying that it is an abuse is an insult and unethical. If abuse happens after this post was created, that's a different case but even then a one-time warning is an ideal thing to do because that is when you know if it is intentional abuse. Not everyone knows the Do's and Dont's of AI usage it is a new technology. Some things are even subjective as there is no one rulebook that has every rule in it.
Bala, I know you for a while. I sincerely request you please back away from this line of argument and don't escalate the drama.
I am telling this to you because I care for you. I don't normally request people.
Could you be so nice and please point out the possibility for escalation in @bala41288's comment? This possibility seems to be hidden from me.
I totally approve
Hello, I read one other post which was recommended in your discord channel before showing up to read this.
I fully understand everything highlighted here.
Thank You 👍.
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I am curious as to what would happen if in your post, more than 50% is a copy of what you asked the AI program, and hence not original content?
Any use of chat-GPT or a similar app to generate writing, without mentioning the use of it, could be considered abuse.
When photography was invented, it didn't take long for the arts to feel threatened by this 'mechanics to produce art'.
Hello.
The comparison is logically fallacious.
It was viewed with quite the same anxiety AI is viewed now. Looking at the takeover of photography of the world of images, maybe it was justified. But no hope of it going any other way, and this is going to happen with AI.
You should look at ways to deal with it; balnket bans are nonsense.
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Could you please review my latest post? It was made using my own voice. Please remove me from blacklist. It’s absolutely unfair What you’re doing.
I was told to read this post and one other as a way to start the appeal process to get my name off the blacklist. I have read this post.
i have read this and i understand it
Hace casi un mes que estoy recibiendo votos negativos por haber utilizado AI en mi publicación, me retracté y dejé de utilizar, pedí disculpas por no cumplir lo que @hivewatcer dice que está mal y lo entiendo. Pero yo publico contenido con varios fines, uno de ellos es porque obtengo recompensa, si puediera ser dueño de hive así como @hivewatcher dejaría que los usuarios decidan votar a quien quiere, si el contenido le parece interesante darle un voto de apoyo.
Lamentablemente ahora mismo estoy recibiendo voto negativo en todas mis publicaciones, pero tengo que cumplir con el castigo de publicar 365 días de seguido para liberarme de ese castigo y si desea me puede hacer voto negativo hasta entonces, pido disculpas por aquí a @hivewatcher por incumplir su reglamento, quisiera que me indique que es lo que puedo hacer para librarme de ese castigo o cual sería la fianza. Si es posible solo pido que no me dejen mis publicaciones en cero, nada mas, estoy haciendo todo como @hivewatcher me indica. Muchas gracias.
(EDITADO UNAS HORAS DESPUES) , He visto que he recibido un voto negativo de @spaminator Perdón por escribir mi opinión, pero no me dan solución. si son dueños de Hive ¿Pueden ayudarme?
Where, in which project you stated this? You are lying, because, you have no project about AI.
Where is this statement here (this is your latest project in proposal) 2022-2024 your work:
https://peakd.com/me/proposals/229
Show me, where you stated something about AI there? Nowhere. But you are free to adjust what you are like to it, no mater if communities want it? Because, your the bos here? or what? No asking anyone for permission or proposal, nothing, just add this to your bag, because, you don't like it, and YOU think it is OK?
This is JUST your idea, own opinion, nothing else. You can't just blacklist people just on behalf of YOUR own opinion, because, you don't like AI.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@shadowspub/my-chat-with-chatgpt-about-using-ai-content
ChatGPT is answering exact opposite you declare here in your post about ownership, and so on. Ah, but your is the best chat, because, you are the bos here in hive. Ah, and you use ChatGPT too, isn't that funny?
Which one is the real answer? I think, the OpenAI site is the right one, not that you blabbing here with chatGPT.
My face is real on my profile, but, all the faces on HW team are...? what? No one presented himself as a real person, and we should trust you and YOUR opinions, without proposals first? just because... why?
Ah, and, there we have 2 accounts:
@hivewatchers and @hivewatcher ??? And no one known why?... Hivers, anyone see this?
Hey, the account @spaminator is downvoting my content, which is original. I cannot get in touch with them, would you help me please? Thanks
Hello.
The account has now been removed from the blacklist. There should be no more spaminator micro-downvotes.
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Ai generated art and blogs should be banned inside Hive. I can identify Ai Generated Arts by Ez. If you guys need any help identifying Ai art or Original art you can let me know.
I'm fine with AI art as long as they clearly state that it was AI generated. Some people use it for thumbnails or stock images to their blog post. Some people use it as memes. They have to clearly state that it was AI generated though.
It's better to ban them completely than allowing them with credits to ai art. In the future Ai arts will be indistinguishable at that point every scammers will take advantage of them. It's better to ban them completely, So non of us have to argue with those trash people who use Ai art works.
Check this blog: https://ecency.com/hive-110011/@artutux/en-es-hello-world-my#@sachingeorge/re-artutux-202258t12726304z
This person is claiming Ai arts as her own artwork. The post got curated 165 Likes in #OCD community.
https://ecency.com/hive-174301/@nas5423/it-may-be-true#@sachingeorge/re-nas5423-202281t214833636z
not mentioning ai artwork in this blog.
I would say completely ban Ai works inside Hive.
We should completely ban crypto because scammers use it as an easy way to ponzi people out of their money.
That's a very stupid statement to be frank. Are you saying centralised system is free of corruption ? You just need to see crypto as a decentralised payment option, nothing more, nothing less anything more is due to greed.
Now why would I be posting something so daft on a completely unrelated post if it wasn't to draw a comparison to your statement.
you are not going far enough!
I would say: Ban anything!!!
better safe and empty!
satire off
https://ecency.com/hive-174578/@artutux/enes-im-not-a-machine-showing-my-creation-steps-no-soy-una-maquina-mostrando-los-pasos-de-mi-creacion
https://ecency.com/hive-10053/@ertytux/sorpresa-super-agradable-tengo-mi
The Bee in the image is Ai Generated but no one really found out because he retouched on top of the ai art @ertytux
I have seen a lot of Ai Generated posts previously without mentioning Ai Artworks. Thats the reason I will say it should be banned
I don't understand your point @sachingeorge, because you always have to see the context, you are referring to an image generated certainly by AI, minted in @nftshowroom by @janetedita that was given to me in a giveaway.
There are communities like @alienarthive where selections of the best AI-generated images are made, these images also transmit a message to someone and fulfill a communicational objective.
I don't think it's a crime to resort to AI-generated images when the ones in the free stocks like https://www.freeimages.com/es , do not convey the exact message that is needed.
Banning the use of AI-generated images is the same as banning images that are present in free stocks. In any case, I think it is prudent and necessary for the authors to make reference to the origin of the images.
In fact, it was always said that it was generated by AI MidJourney, and being a paying user MidJourney grants the rights over the generated image. From the original image generated by MidJourney, I introduced changes so that it was not directly something taken from the AI, some more than those you point out, and precisely to have more human intervention, if what Photoshop generates is considered "human" since it also works with artificial intelligence.
Banning directly any publication for the use of AIs seems to me an extremism. On the other hand, if an AI-generated image is not considered "original", it should be treated, at least, the same as an image from pixabay or other stock photography. Although for me, it is much more original than a photo downloaded 10 million times for its use.
Now, if we are talking about a text, which I pass off as mine, without mentioning the use of AIs, that doesn't seem right to me. I don't know how to draw or model, and I use the AI as a tool, but writing, well... I think all of us here know how to do it... or at least we try to do it.
About the image you show, I want to clarify that at no time I tried to make it look like something it was not. I never hid the use of AI in them.
Traducido con DeepL https://www.deepl.com/app/?utm_source=android&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=share-translation
Images: If the image is created with the help of AI, it should simply be mentioned as the case. The entire post above is about not deceiving people where AI is used in some portion of the content. It's not about just banning everything AI.
What about using Google Translate, Bing Translator, DeepL Translator, PROMT, Gengo or any other of these AIs to create "Original Content" in other languages?
How do you create original content with translators?
Each word, phrase and sentence in other languages generated by an online translator is artificially generated by that sort of AI Tool which was not "originally" written by the "author" of the prompt.
lol
There are well established definitions of words in most languages, certainly all that can be translated online, that are the product of translation services. Such services are but shortcuts to using paper dictionaries.
That is absolutely not the case with prompts to ChatGPT, which doesn't output the same text twice from the same prompt. As I have pointed out, prompting AI is similar to a teacher assigning a task to students, which does not mean the teacher produces the actual products of the students, nor the prompter of AI.
Which does not mean either that the product/result of what the translator produces belongs to or has been written/created by whoever supplied the block of text to be translated. Both semantic-linguistic constructions of communication have been artificially created and written by some sort of A.I. starting from the command/prompt of a human, whether it can be ChatGPT or a Translator.
Just ignoring what I say doesn't make it go away. Translation is not remotely the same as prompting AI to write an essay. You can't just go to a dictionary and look up the prompt and find the exact essay the AI would write, like you can translations.
The two aren't comparable at all.
I do not publish in languages I do not speak, but I use translation services to read work not written in English often. The reason I use translations is to access the thoughts of authors that write in other languages. The language is not the thought, and by using translation services I gain access to those original thoughts of the authors.
Regardless of what language they are read in, the authors convey their original thoughts.
I can see no reason to consider those thoughts as somehow not their own when translated from the language they were written in.
The video link is dead. Can you provide another source for the video?
Thanks!
Exactly, that's the thing. That although the "original" thought of the author was written in one language, then they used and relied on an "artificial intelligence tool" (the translator) to convert it into another language whose resultant "original" idea may sound a little different if it is not carefully edited and modified.
Same as with ChatGPT and other AIs. Where you elaborate an original question or prompt to the bot so that it generates an appropriate wording on the original subject that you had in mind to develop, in a specific language, and that then it serves as inspiration to create your final blog with the "original" message that you had in mind to communicate. Could you really pinpoint the difference between the results of the "original" content generated between these two types of AIs?
Should be both of this "original content" material disqualified and scrapped of being rewarded. Or just one of them?
The video is fine here from my end. And you should be able to see it too with no problem. Try to click again but not over the image but on the link to the left of it. And if that doesn't work for you, let me know and I'll try to post the video directly here in a new comment.
Cheers!!
I must differ with your attempt to compare translating a written work into another language with prompting AI to compose a written work based on your prompt. The prompt to compose a literary work is comparable to instruction of an educator directing students to compose a work. The teacher is not then the author of the homework of the students. They have composed themselves their homework.
The question posed to the AI, or the prompt, is your work, but not the response of the AI resulting. If you thereafter use the AI's text as the basis of your own composition I do not see the resulting text as plagiarising the AI, as long as you do not re-use the phrasing composed by the AI.
For example, if you ask me what color the sky is, and I say 'The color of the sky is blue.' If you later write 'The sky is blue', you have not plagiarized me, despite restating my idea in your own words. There are a limited number of ways to express the idea that the sky is blue, and it doesn't take long to torture language when trying to express a simple idea in novel language, as in 'Blue is the skies color.'
I will say that's pretty weak. It's not your original thought. To try to claim that you originated the idea that the sky is blue is plagiarism, and this is why research papers are full of citations of other's works. If you're using ChatGPT in this way, you had better credit it with the ideas it conveys, even if in response to prompts you wrote. If you don't want to credit AI in that way, don't use it in that way. If you reckon that the prompt is the source of the idea, and the AI is merely restating it, don't bother with the AI to begin with. Just write your ideas yourself.
Translation isn't comparable at all to prompting an AI to compose text based on your prompt. The purpose of the translation is to enable the thoughts already composed - not merely a prompt - to be expressed in a different language. Prompting an AI to compose a thought in the language you prompt it in isn't translating it. It's expressing it. If you reuse that expression in a post, you're plagiarizing the AI.
Some will rejoin that there is no original thought, that everything has already been considered and said, and we just recycle that limited suite of concepts in our own way. I disagree with them, even when we arrive at conclusions others have before us.
I feel it's necessary to add that I am not in any way representing Hivewatchers here. I do not participate in what they do, I don't regularly converse with them, and have no authority whatsoever to recommend or tell you how to conform to their requirements. I was interested in your comment and replied to it out of my personal interest, which I alone am responsible for. I don't even know who is in Hivewatchers.
There is a message I see that the owner is not permitting the video to be seen, so it's something to do with my VPN.
Which one is more artistic?
This is just an innovative tool, and for what purposes and how responsibly it is used depends only on us.
There's no question. AI does not understand concepts. It does not reason. It's just a calculator that has algorithms that assembles text from examples, it's 'training data', by variably assigning words and phrases weighting per the algorithms.
Stephen Wolfram of Wolfram Alpha well explains it here.
Is plagiarism. You point out that Hivewatchers have a difficult job, made more difficult by the ongoing evolution of technology, and, IMHO, the inadvisable prior enabling of automation to usurp human social interaction, which I have long opposed.
I am aware there is a space between posting bot generated content and translation services, which your comment exemplifies. I can't lay down some law that, once automation of human social interactions is allowable, can separate what degree of editing, research, or suggestions is acceptable and what isn't.
To my mind, such technology is useful as a teaching tool, but posts on Hive should be manually typed by people. Hivewatchers have their own policies, and will undertake them as they see fit. They haven't asked me anything, and I don't expect them to.
Edit: you illustrate that principle that differentiates AI and plagiarism from Computer art and authentic writing in your example trying to claim using Paint is using AI.
That is the difference. You're not prompting the computer to draw the circle. You're drawing the circle.
I agree that a paint or a translator is not a very correct example for comparison with artificial intelligence. These are just one of the many high-tech tools that can help us. But what these tools will help us do is already a matter of morality for the users of these tools.
In my example, you can see how a text that was not very well-written by me (due to the imperfection of English proficiency) can be made pleasant for perception with the help of AI. But I could also copy your entire comment and ask the AI to respond to it instead of me with words of support or factual rebuttal...
Which would not be fair to other hive users at all.
very funny
I am in germany, bavaria - not far away from munich (München)
and am not allowed to watch that video
lol
Haha, interesting! I wonder why this video would have to be banned to be seen in Germany?
Do you have access to use a VPN? Otherwise try to click here to watch some sort of version of the same scene that you are not allowed to see in the previous video. Or even better, I'm gonna add another video here below with more & less the exact same scene that you couldn't see before. };)
Yeah! let me know if you succeeded this time. LoL
also blocked
Will try over VPN later
Now I also hope it is something truly interesting - if all the effort of blocking^^
Holy shit! Really? Also blocked these two extra videos? LoL
Yeah, that should work better. ;o)
¿Truly interesting? Yeah! I bet that must be the reason! I'm guessing your German Overlords nowadays are afraid of what you can learn from seeing the scene of what this video convey. Hahahaha
Good luck with the VPN. };)
I was able to view the clip this time. My mind has been opened =)
Oh! those are good news. :)
Are or were you also in Germany or Austria before?
I mean, before the new opening of your mind now? :D
No, the users of Hive don't have to listen to your attempts to dictate the content posted here.
Implying someone maybe should decline rewards for using or posting AI art? That's just your opinion.
I don't see why this is necessary and reflects a limited view of what AI art is. Not to mention what Hive itself is. These opinions shouldn't be broadly applied to content on the chain. Hivewatchers' (@logic's) consistent attempts to limit "allowable" content on Hive has been detrimental towards its growth and limiting of its potential, and this is another egregious attempt at it.
Implying Hivewatchers is anything but a joke to the chain at this point and carries some central authority over it. A permaban meaning a 0.001 downvote? 😂
First of all, downvoted the comment for disagreement on rewards. Also because the comment was self-voted. It's nothing personal
I am an average stakeholder. As you know quite well that I am not associated with HW. However, I do support what they do for the chain, maybe not the methods all the time.
AI art is non-copyrighted so there is no discussion there, it had been used at hive for a long time. Doesn't mean it is right and good for the artist. Here is an artist speaking
https://peakd.com/ai/@midlet/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-my-ai-rant
Regarding text, and I think that is the main issue here. Since hive is decentralized we can’t say what communities can or cannot do. But I can certainly say I don’t support it as a stakeholder and there are many like me.
The best thing many of us enjoy about hive is the human interaction and sense of companionship in todays isolated world. Automation and lack of interaction hinders that. It undermines what hive is all about. This is my opinion and I am proud and vocal about it
I upvoted myself for visibility
Cheers then! No problem. Thanks for the comment
Their ideologies are so centralized and it is most likely one person takes the decision on behalf of the whole chain.
Hive is decentralized and its governance is stake weighted. You are well aware of that. Still you are saying this because you think offense is the best defense? Please let me know if this is the line of argument you will entertain in future and like to continue this drama then I will act proportionally.
That is an absolute contradiction.
Steem is just as decentralized and stake weighted. So is the legacy financial system. Perhaps you'd prefer to discuss this matter with Sun Yuchen? He could demonstrate how decentralized stake is to you better than I.
This drama, that you created, and not people like me or @bala41288 , people should known, how you "act proportionally" - because, you have power?
I write a post with all the screenshots we have discussed in appeal channel, and how YOU LAUGHING at me, and tell me to "call the police, hahaha..." in appeal channel - Is that the serious way you threat users? who voted for this?
That's not the way "acting" that WE, real users, with REAL faces on Hive wanted and voted for!
I just wanted one answer, where you and your HW team are clearly stated, before 28.02.2023 (day you blacklisted me) about AI, and how you will act, or how should we use it, or anything, about AI?
And, I don't want to see your own post about you don't support AI, I want to see a project or/and proposal of Hivewatchers team, where is clearly stated, and users are voted for?
Because, you say to me in the discord appeal channel, that "the communities have voted against AI" - WHERE is this statement, project?
Because, in HW latest project, it is nothing about AI, here:
https://peakd.com/me/proposals/229
And that is the project for 2022-2024.
Again, where is your or your HW team clearly declaration project or proposal about AI, before the date of 28.02.2023 ???
Yes please write a post. Many people before you have written posts on me :)
I like it. I appreciate it.
Also you are saying that you will write this epic post but nothing I see. Please get on with it and show the world you writing prowess:)
I'll happily take that downvote. I thought Hive was censorship free?
Nope....