I must preface the rest of this shocking information by clearly stating this is not about me, I just happen to be one of their many targets they abuse. This post is about the consistent wrong doings and destruction of the Hive platform that so many of us hold in high regard; and to share my experience to shed light on the situation at large.
After nearly three months of sitting back and watching @hivewatchers and their associated accounts destroy my blog for reasons that don't even fit their criteria, (see post here here for more info on that) and going against the recommendations of the community (see comments below); I've decided to engage them once again on their discord server and here is how it went. (screen shots from their discord server)
I started by politely asking them to stop down voting me through said accounts.
I said this many times in the past that we need to stop hivewathcers as it is. @guiltyparties always defends Logic, the person doing all this mess and it goes on and on and on.
If anyone wants to stop scammers and other shit, please create another service with someone else in charge. Hivewatchers have clearly done more damage to the honest community members. This is not acceptable.
Edit: I don't care about this post or any other post that got downvoted. I simply don't agree with the process of how things work with hivewatchers. Every single user on hive has been here for farming rewards in some way. Even hivewatchers used to vote their own comments and farm rewards in that way. The action is the same, it doesn't matter why it was done. But it doesn't give enough reason to treat every single user like a piece of shit.
100% agreed, still today this group of bullies are pushing projects off Hive while other chains offer funding & development support the whales and witnesses here mostly downvote and show jealousy only sabotaging Hive certainly not adding any value...
Much of this was the result of a legacy system from years ago and has been dismantled, also years ago. Users are in their absolute right to upvote their own content. The topic here is why some users think they should be allowed to recycle content, which is a type of fraud as it tricks readers and curators into thinking that the content is new, while all other content creators are working hard to create fresh content for our 7-day monetization window. This post wouldn't exist if there was a case of an honest community member.
Maybe there's some aspect that I don't understand as I'm fairly new to this community, but what if the readers and curators don't mind that the content is also being posted on multiple platforms?
If that was the issue then it would make more sense to just make people aware that the content is not exclusive to Hive and let the reader decide whether they still want to upvote it rather than making the decision for them by canceling out all of their votes.
There's no issue in posting to multiple platforms. Hive isn't in the business of restricting anyone on where else they can share their content. That's never been the issue at all and it's perfectly ok to have your content here and let's say on Reddit. The topic at hand here is that Hive has a 7-day monetization timer. Once that content is monetized, it's done. Content creators all know this (it's a basic function of Hive) and strive to have fresh content for their fans. When they see someone cheating the system by reposting, they report that account.
Is the issue that it's old content that was posted on a different platform a long time ago? I just just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
Regardless of this specific situation, I think the bigger issue is massive downvoting and blacklisting in general. It makes me really concerned about how easy it would be for bad actors to take similar actions. If Hive grows big enough then governments, corporations, and other organizations will surely use similar methods to centralize power and suppress dissenting voices.
👆 @jordand89 This is a very good point and one that I have been bringingUP now for about a year. It seems that people here do not want to think about the grater ramifications of continuing to implement Hive Integrity in the current undeveloped way. We need a Downvote but we need a Downvote that is INTELLIGENT and makes use of code so as to preserve the resistibility to central bad actors. Marketing Hive as a complete social tokenized solution will always be a hard sell to freedom minded investors until the finer points (like the one you have broughtUP here) are addressed and innovated.
Here's some of my initial thoughts about the re-use of prior content as a body of work. The problem with @guiltyparties rational here is that he is making this issue a black or white one. Clearly there is a line between outright SPAM of this nature... and the artistic process.
I think that this needs to be broughtUP as it isn't so cut and dry after all.
Here's my official comment on the idea that one should NEVER make use of their older content.
@world-travel-pro and @ura-soul you might also be interested in the differentiation I am bringing to this topic. I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this aspect of the discussion.
Hive and Steem are based on anarcho principles and to me, that means 'let the market decide' when it comes to economic systems. In that sense, I don't find it really natural or healthy for groups to be imposing their own rules on the free flow of economic activity. Actually, this kind of thing seems to always follow the same patterns/results - which mirror government/corporate control. There really is only 'anarchy' and 'not anarchy' - with staying in anarchy being somewhat of a challenge. It would be so great if the community agreed on things like this and decided to aim to stick more to anarchy - even just as an experiment. This doesn't mean the reward pool is totally open for abuse - if anything it means more engagement from a decentralised community who use their own downvotes in a manual way to address problems in realtime. Automation can be agreed upon, perhaps based on transparent smart contracts to remove totally blatant spam, or maybe not.
The other issues is the decentralisation of the token itself. Originally, Steem had a plan to decentralise the tokens as they saw this as necessary for Steem to meet it's destiny as a decentralised system. Then stupid crap happened and they never delivered on their claimed vision (maybe it was a lie all along). Anyway, we don't seem to have a real vision regarding the decentralisation of the token at the moment and the net result of that is that the biggest holders simply do whatever they can (within the PR vision they create for themself to justify their actions) to try to not let the token precipitate outwards.
We have, on the one hand, Marky complaining that there aren't enough (subjectively) good posts to upvote so he then upvotes software projects instead that can help Hive.. but at the same time we have many people complaining and leaving because they feel abused by the heavy downvoting and lack of respect/coherence in that process. The two things are connected - a lack of 'good' posts to upvote is due to a lack of people wanting to invest time into a system that is overly centralised and overly able to create feelings of disempowerment in content creators who feel they have an ever growing range of options online and don't really feel a need to get stuck in the Hive box.
Tech systems are human systems before they are tech systems, so a failure to respect and empathise with the humans involved in such a social system will always lead to system failure eventually. We need a shared vision among key stakeholders that respects personal will. We lack that currently.
No, it was posted right here. In regards to massive downvoting/blacklisting is in general no one on Hive would support or condone anything where a bad actor can just arbitrary decide. The chain also doesn't allow for censorship, it just doesn't. Anyone can add whatever content they wish to the blocks. We're currently looking forward to some big projects connecting and being built on Hive. Not going to spill the beans but there's some awesome stuff coming in the future.
I think of the whole downvote drama as rewards disagreement. Just as anyone is free to upvote content they support, so should anyone with stake downvote content they don't support as a consequence of freedom. Regarding censorship, people can still access what is posted on the backend even if the frontends don't display them and they can still get searched on google crawlers. I searched for those users that have negative reps way down the negative and their content can still be visible.
No one can deplatform you on Hive, you just don't get the social rewards of the 1st layer for the downvotes. But the second layer is another option where some tribes have a frontend that enables you to share your content and have it visible.
This is a Hive matter. That is why any differences of understanding should take place here where all Hive owners have a chance to evaluate both sides. Appealing to a 3rd party off chain makes absolute zero sense and actually is instrumental in perpetuating the abuse of those policing Hive at the moment. I have heard about the things that go on inside the @hivewatchers Discord... and let me tell you! THAT, as a service, needs to be reworked entirely.
It’s all about what you accept and what you plainly do not. I do think that many people do not want to speak openly about what they think… an over hanging DV could have something to do with this. Freedom is easier or harder depending on the social environment. Here I think that more and more people are self-censoring themselves. We all need to start asking the right questions and be more vocal about the underlying reasons for this… especially if we truly are a freedom centric blockchain.
You've been milking autovotes in forever with repetitive content and images from the same place over many posts. Try and act all innocent and ignorant all you want but that doesn't change your past or why many communities have decided to mute you from posting into them.
They muted me after the downvote onslaught...Wonder why? Must not have looked good. My post have been more than fine. See the comments and support...
Hey. Sorry to interrupt again. I just noticed your photos don't show up on PeakD, most likely due to being muted within a particular community.
Now, I realize you want to get all snappy and be sassy but before you do that, I'd just like you to know, about a week ago I read a post highlighting the likely reason as to why you were muted. And it wasn't because of the downvotes or you looking bad due to downvotes. It was due to your behavior. Words like "prolific spammer" were used. A lot of people saw that post, but you weren't mentioned directly. I didn't know it was about you at that time. I've simply been studying your case since you brought it to light, put two and two together, got four.
Just thought you should know. I'm discovering there are quite a few things you're in control of changing in order to better your experience here but you need to acknowledge those mistakes first then move forward and on with your life.
There's no need to self-destruct over being inconvenienced when it appears as if the ball has been in your park the entire time.
In the end, it's up to you, I guess. Your posts look like crap now, the pictures don't show up everywhere, and that's your fault. So I'm 100% sure you can be at fault for finding solutions and fixing your problems as well.
Signed: "Scary monster" that's just trying to help.
Many curators have complained over your shit in forever, just telling you what I know, haven't really spent the time to analyze your posting myself but okay. Good riddance.
My eyes are open. I stopped curating you in 2020.
You're not special. Just because you're around for a while doesn't give you the right to abuse the reward pool with reposted content.
Definitely a surprising behaviour, coming from someone who portrays him self as a "highly successful person" (your own words).
Trying to police the internet is a losing endevour, shit shouldn't be left up to people but to machine learning algos that run the content past a plagiarism test and that is that.
There are certain parties that make a habit of quoting other sourced text to pad out their own stuff... And if it's used sanely and with proper source cited, then whatever.
Som folks just grab a bunch of text off somewhere and try and be sneaky, pass it off as their own for some potential profit, fuck those people.
That is inherently the problem with these things. If a person has a legit account them plagurizise it's hard to say if they deserve to be 2nd chanced or whatever.
I would need more detail than this. Are you saying he is taking posts from a year ago and posting them as if it was happening today?
Or are you saying he is posting the same exact article on Hive then putting it on Steem?
I've long said this, everyone should cross post onto Steem and sell their Steem rewards as soon as they get them and buy Hive. That makes Steem go down and Hive go up.
He was blacklisted for recycling on Hive, it started with that post link a year ago. The rest is just bluster and diversion.
HW do themselves no favours by throwing Steem into the equation which has confused people. I absolutely agree with you on this point about recycling their tokens and what people do off chain should have no bearing but in this case, it's just a simple case of someone reporting him for endlessly recycling content and farming rewards, no more, no less :-)
PS why has v4vapid stopped writing here? Always the most thought provoking and drama free alternative viewpoint writer on the chain. Send them my regards if you have contact please.
He republished articles written a year or two copy pasting the text and changing the image set to different angles for the same experience. If can ass himself to change the images when reposting, why can't he be bothered to change the copy pasted word content. His posts on steemit weren't factored into the equation unless they were posted prefork. The motivation here is just maximizing the autovotes for the least effort possible.
Not a fan of reposting. I know it's a controversial topic, but I'm on the side of not reposting stuff unless I can turn it into new content. You won't find sympathy from me.
Other than that, HiveWatchers is the most laughable "community" funded project in this space. They are the Hive equivalent to a real-life temporary solution that entrenched itself to be a permanent operation instead of users having more fully functional community features and moderation tools.
They are one of the epitomes of inconsistencies when it comes to catching and committing the same abuse. But hey, most people will tell you that they are necessary and more good than bad...lol
They've done so much damage to my blog over the past few months that I no longer have the ability to reply, the button is literally removed.
Looks like my reply button returned! Yay! How fast things changed.
Your reply button returned, because you posted outside the community where you are muted. The mute doesn't allow you to post comments.
Nothing to do with this pile of screenshots you just posted or downvotes. Educate yourself before you talk and manipulate your readers.
Who said I compare myself to Anyone?!
I can read and see what’s going on. I am adult enough to judge myself what happens to a friend and actually many others I know since Steemit.
I do not like the undertone of your question!
You are here in the blogging world more/less as long as I am and should know better.
Have a nice day dear @acidyo
So why would you not write again because wtp is getting deserving downvotes for having milked low effort garbage posts in forever, effectively taken so much value from the blockchain without bringing much back in terms of quality. Seems you're the one who should know better or check a bit what the issue is rather than just reading what the abuser is saying and going off on it and not posting because you think hive is just evil and hits people with downvotes because they feel like it.
In short…..many members I do respect very much told me about the downvote topic and I was always against downvoting any content!!
I never said that HIVE as a community is evil.
I write on Steemit since June 2016 and experienced so much disappointing BS and unfortunately some of it was carried to this platform.
I slowed down writing first of all due to my health issues and if you would have followed my blog you might have read about my journey to fight breast-cancer.
Anyways….I still vote and curate content on HIVE as much as possible and WTP is one I do chose to upvote because I did not realize that he is so called “milking” the community. I find the content interesting.
I hope this clears your mind about my thoughts and decisions
🌺
Have a beautiful day and keep up your good job
Probably for the best. I'd prefer to talk him down from that ledge but the usual folks who latch onto these problems all while encouraging the downward spiral are already here cheering and defending his decision to jump so ... another one bites the dust I guess.
He's on his way out powering down and going through a predictable course by making the most noise as possible. I think 50 comments made for the last 30 days and 26 unique interactions different accounts says about his adoring fans. Those screenshots he used as a support were near or more than a month in age because not much yield to current state of his blogs. Just a guy posting for a quota copy pasting the paragraphs and changing the photos taken in the same place but tilted to a different angle capitalizing on autovotes going reeeeee.
There's irony in the headline. I've often found it to be so peculiar how some people with a certain personality type often rat themselves out once confronted, but don't notice.
You've done nothing but try to insult me. Your behavior is childish. You started attacking me right away, once I pointed out you're attacking people.
In my case you looked at my profile picture, which is just a cartoon character I created, then assumed I must be some kind of 'evil guy'.
Do I have to change my profile picture to some kind of sparkling unicorn with rainbows and sprinkles just to get some respect around here?
Do you realize it's you that's falling apart? What you might think in your mind is a show of strength, is actually you acting like a complete basket case.
Something came along and jarred you from your comfort zone. Even one ounce of maturity and maybe a dash of professionalism and you'd have been out of the mess you created for yourself in no time. Instead you choose to dig your hole deeper and deeper then blame everyone that's not holding a shovel for the mess you're in.
I think you can do better. Unfortunately there's no point in listening to anyone who only sticks around to say they're leaving all while attacking anyone who refuses to take the bait.
I tried to help you here. I tried to help you in your post after this. Then I saw you trying to threaten and intimidate an entire community two posts after this. It's all on the blockchain and that plastic smile of yours is not enough to cover your true colors.
The ball is in your court; but at this point, due to your behavior and your actions, I don't give two shits or a single fuck what you choose to do with it.
Grow up, ditch the arrogance, and wipe the asshole you choose to use as a brain because you're getting shit, everywhere.
Although the title and writing style is dramatic, and I don't fully know the situation, I can sympathize about these types of things.
There isn't much if any accountability on "who watches the watchers".
I am still unclear on the situation here.
Someone has said he was farming content, what does that mean? Does that mean simply copying and pasting it from Hive to Steem? I'm not sure why everybody wouldn't do that, if you wrote the article you would cross post the exact same article to all your socials like Medium/Hive/Steem/Wordpress/and other blogging platforms.
After reading all the comments, I feel it's a complicated situation.
Any decentralised network like Hive will never be perfect and we must work our way around to make the most of web3 social communities with a long term mindset.
I love all these proposals and funds moving into different projects but are there measures that these funds are actually being used and in line with the approved proposals?
Something that not a lot of people realize and something to keep in mind is that a person can plagiarize themselves. If you are re-posting content or posting the same thing in two separate platforms - Hive and Steem, then that is plagiarism. By your own admission, it sounds like you're doing both of those things. If their job is to stop plagiarism then it sounds like they are doing their job.
But why did you only highlight the first two bullets points of the definition? It's literally the fourth bullet point in your article lol
to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
Said another way, to copy from one source and paste it in another, or to pretend that old content is new.
Regardless, I've been thinking about this situation for a few days now and it doesn't matter whether the behavior is plagiarism or not. This is a community run chain, and if the community doesn't like a particular behavior then they have the right to speak out and/or take action. We are essentially policing ourselves here. Many are okay with cross posting, but a very large portion of the community doesn't like it when it involves Steem because of the history there. Some dont really care and some look the other way in those circumstances. But when it comes to any behavior that is precieved as raping the reward pool - most people on Hive do care and they don't like it. There are a lot of behaviors that are perceived that way: Churning content and abusing autovotes to name two. I think if a person engages in those behaviors it becomes a "proceed with caution" scenario because there might be backlash, which is exactly the case in of what happened here.
But why did you only highlight the first two bullets points of the definition? It's literally the fourth bullet point in your article lol
To be honest, because I didn't notice it.
And I personally disagree. I think if it is my own content I can publish it whenever I like and wherever I want. If you publish my content it is plagiarism.
But you have a point that if I refer to that I link the fourth point comes closer to what we are discussing here in this case.
to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
Said another way, to copy from one source and paste it in another, or to pretend that old content is new.
Well, I think it depends on, if one presents something (especially if it is a product or if one writes about science) as new if it isn't. Then that's probematic. I would mention my old post and refer to it in such a case.
This is a community run chain, and if the community doesn't like a particular behavior then they have the right to speak out and/or take action.
I think HIVE is way to centralized to speak of "the community" when rather often a few whales overrule the upvotes of hundreds of smaller users.
... but a very large portion of the community doesn't like it when it involves Steem because of the history there.
Actually I think a very "large portion" (most splinterlands players for example) doesn't care, but especially the "top witnesses" react very sensitive.
But when it comes to any behavior that is precieved as raping the reward pool - most people on Hive do care and they don't like it.
Yes ... if smaller users are doing that.
At least when I was still active here some "top witnesses", for example former bid bot owner @themaximizermark, posted a very short shit post nearly every day and got hundreds of auto votes. As long as certain whales (or delegatees from whales) are too big to be punished for the same behaviour they themselves condemn, I see it very critical to "police" other users.
I'm certainly not an expert on plagiarism, especially when it comes to things like social media and "low stakes" endeavors. Things are obviously much more strict and regimented when it involves academics, research and paid publishing, which was where my biases were at the begining of this thread but aren't so much anymore.
Actually I think a very "large portion" (most splinterlands players for example) doesn't care, but especially the "top witnesses" react very sensitive.
I agree that a big portion doesn't care. There are people on both sides or the arguement. But in this case it's the people who do care that one needs to worry about if they engage in the behavior, as we have seen by their actions. If witnesses are perceived as being sensitive to the subject, that makes some sense to me since they have one of the biggest stakes in wanting the platform to be successful (not all of them, but many). Steemit failed and turned into a dogshit platform because of the rampant abuse on it, and people who want Hive to be successful don't want it to turn into another steemit so they are cracking down on said abuse.
Regarding your last comment: I agree that it is unfortunate that some big whales, some witnesses, and some people who have been on the platform for a long time also engage in these types of behaviors. I personally don't see that as a reason to also engage in the same behaviors myself though. I'm not saying that is what you are arguing or anything, I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for discussing in a friendly, sophisticated way.
If witnesses are perceived as being sensitive to the subject, that makes some sense to me since they have one of the biggest stakes in wanting the platform to be successful (not all of them, but many).
I wonder if you possibly might confuse things a little bit here?
Yes, I agree that in average big stakeholders naturally care more about their investment than smaller stakeholders, because they have more stake at risk and invested more (in case they aren't just early miners or former bid bot owners!).
And even if some of them act amazingliy short sighted and selfish instead of being long term orientated, in general I understand why they might react more sensitive on abuse (at least abuse commited by others not by themselves) which they think might lower the value of the blockchain, the platform, the currency HIVE.
However, I personally don't consider posting a good STEEM post on HIVE as abuse. Even if you disagree (which is fine with me), in this case their sensitivity has nothing to do with the wish to protect their stakes, but is simply the consequence of personal involvement and frustration. Yes, I can understand their anger (I know the whole story, I am here since 2016, and I think that neither Justin Sun nor the HIVE witnesses made a good figure during the conflict), but being angry on anybody shouldn't be a reason to force anybody else to be angry, too, and act accordingly. :) In my opinion their personal conflict with Justin Sun shouldn't lead to stricter measures against users who repost STEEM posts than for example against users who repost Instagram posts.
To be clear, I think STEEM is completely lost (you mentioned some reasons), but that's not the point here in my opinion.
I personally don't see that as a reason to also engage in the same behaviors myself though.
Well, of course not.
It's just ... if smaller users abuse the platform there is still some hope to solve the problem ... if the biggest ones are doing it (while at the same time fighting relentlessly against smaller, and often new and inexperienced users) then there remains not much to hope anymore from my side.
Well, I am a Splinterlands whale now (and withdrew about 400 k HIVE), a community which is much more decentralized than HIVE itself, due to many different, rather big stakeholders who act independently from each other, so that this typical HIVE oligarchy feeling doesn't exist.
Thanks for discussing in a friendly, sophisticated way.
I was thinking the same thing haha 😄
However, I personally don't consider posting a good STEEM post on HIVE as abuse...
That's fair I think. To be honest, I don't know how I feel about it. I've abandoned Steem entirely at this point. One concern for me would be that if we want Hive to be a quality platform that people turn to for information and entertainment then we may not want any association with steem at all because if they are viewed as the same in any way then steems negative reputation will ultimately affect and cheapen Hive. If the same content is on both platforms then it compounds the situation as well, people will likely see them as the same, at least to an extent.
in this case their sensitivity has nothing to do with the wish to protect their stakes
I think I can agree with that. I can't speak about the actions of others but I can understand that people who were screwed over by Steem may hold a scorched earth policy towards it and may use their power to hurt it in any way they can, even if those actions hurt users of Hive. I'm not saying that I agree with it entirely just that I understand it.
if the biggest ones are doing it (while at the same time fighting relentlessly against smaller, and often new and inexperienced users) then there remains not much to hope anymore from my side.
I don't know from first hand experience if this is actually happening but Yeah, I can agree that hypocritical and double standard-like behavior isn't great. If a person is abusing a platform and at the same time condemning others for doing the same thing, that isn't great.
That's awesome that you are a splinterlands whale now. Good for you! I actually don't know much about splinterlands but definitely feel like I missed the boat with it. Haha
The social media industry has always involved cross posting across multiple networks. The idea that Hive is going to grow while preventing users from cross-posting is ridiculous.
I don't think anyone has anything against cross-posting, except for maybe on Steem due to the history and similarity of platforms, although we both know they're not that similar anymore considering curation and why anyone would even attempt to still post there. In general we at OCD don't mind if people crosspost from web2 to Hive.
That's an interesting take... but I think I'm in disagreement here. Plagiarizing yourself isn't really a thing. When you consider entire bodies of work and where those creative minds drew inspiration it puts this in an even more stark light.
But just to keep this comment on point I'll stick to your statement:
Something that not a lot of people realize and something to keep in mind is that a person can plagiarize themselves.
Artists and creative people the world over build on bodies of work that they have compiled during the course of their lives. It's the creative innovative process (not to mention HOW talent comes to be in the 1st place!) and so I believe that this conversation needs this as a backdrop for context.
Here's an example of what I am talking about. The producer for the Documentary "Everything is a Remix" is now REMIXING his original content about REMIXING. Check it out! 🙃
annnnnd here's part 2!
With this as contex now I think we con constructively handle the objects our minds create... wouldn't you say @leaky20?
The conversation evolved and I later pointed out my bias towards the subject of plagiarism and stated that I don't think the plagiarism thing applies to social media or low stakes endeavors. In academics and scientific research you can definitely plagiarize yourself though, which is where my mind went in the begining when this came up. For instance, in research if you used information from a previous study you did you would have to site yourself and your previous research.
I'm not sure about all the nuances and how things work with photos tbh and things are/should probably be treated differently when there is no monetary gain being made, as in the case of Facebook and Instagram. I think thats another case really, but I'm also not an expert on the matter lol.
If you're writing something new, like a whole new post, then it's not plagiarism either. The way I read it originally in your post, was that you are copy and pasting the same article on both sites, which is plagerism and which, in my opinion, doesn't look great.
I'm not trying to be the police here or anything just giving my opinion. Take it as you wish
There are no plagiarism detectives, just community members who care enough to report things that they suspect may fall outside community guidelines.
Luckily people care and are community minded enough to do so but not you, dinosaur.
Look around, the platform is full of amazing content creators who have upped their game and are being rewarded well
Not just relying on old school autovotes. You don't comment or take part in community engagement or read other people. You just shit post, sit back and count the rewards.
You are an entitled, rude and obnoxious liar. You also play the big 'I am', but you're not. You're pathetic with your bragging in discord about how rich you are and how successful you are and threatening people there with your friends in high places in Hive.
You're actually really embarrassing yourself.
Another little point. In your long tag list, you failed to mention kohsamui99 who you chatted to recently, your old pal, best mate etc....can I just ask why he didn't get a mention?
PS is this the post you've been threatening HW with all week? If so, it's sadly disappointing.
Great post, keep exposing these maggots.
I have pulled 250k HP out of Hive in the past 6 months, due to this downvoting.
Sadly the platform is being destroyed from within, and i am now using and investing in bastyon and blurt, as well as verbrainium.
For me, Hive is all over. If you use the #vyb tag i can give you a proper upvote, but my Hive votes are worthless now.
Hey @frot. Just a friendly heads-up. You might want to cancel that remaining powerdown. You'll need those resource credits in order to comment, post, follow, and vote, etc., on #vyb. If you drain it to zero, you've screwed yourself; hard.
Oh well, I can drip feed it back as needed, I still have over 5k liquid in another account.
It's all a bit symbolic anyway.
I'm not allowed to enter the library or many other places such as cafe's, because I'm not carrying papers to prove I'm pumped full of toxins, so having low credits on Hive is not a major!
Wtf? You're a dick in one space and friendly in another? How many people are living inside that noggin of yours?
But okay if you got it figured out, good. I'd say I wouldn't want to see you fuck yourself but after what you said to me over in the other space, I pretty much regret giving a shit about you.
So anyway. Fuck you. Have a nice day. See you next time.
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This is really sad to read mate, I have noticed many wrong things with this platform and how many people have had the same or similar experience, especially in the last months, downvoting has become the new normal, it seems they want to get rid of people who have been here longer. I have been posting a lot less due to that, I thought hive was a platform that will not be censoring content (which clearly isn't the case because by down voting stuff they dont agree with, means they want to censor it in a way). I came to hive as I started seeing how social media is the most toxic place, to brainwash people and control them, censor and spread lies and fake news and had a lot higher expectations from hive and though this would be a good place to be, get involved with a non-toxic community and do what I enjoy doing - writing content and read others posts, especially when it comes to traveling. I know I haven't been over here that long, but I know how much effort you put into this and your posts have been consistent and obviously you've built a good reputation among the community. What they are doing is criminal and I'm sorry it's come to this. You deserve better than that! Karma however always takes care of those doing the wrong thing, and it's quite safe to say that hive wont last much longer with this type of behaviour. Without people putting content on, they've got nothing.
Thanks for all the content and all your efforts you've made over the years though, love your stuff!
I am victim of this downvoted circumstance for many weeks now , the only logical reason given to me was that my account is a typical example of made to scam type of account. And that was it, nothing more nothing less till date. I am still wondering who i must have scammed, or who i am scamming, if you find a particular post of mine to be plagiarised then downvote it and let me know why you did so in the comment section. Not blacklisting my account and downvoting everything there. I am just a student that keep myself going through with the little earnings i get from hive. I am just tired , it made me loss interest in hive for weeks now
I am victim of this downvoted circumstance for many weeks now
You're a victim of your own self.
the only logical reason given to me was that my account is a typical example of made to scam type of account. And that was it, nothing more nothing less till date.
You may want to stop spreading lies. Check this post out.
Alright Mr perfect, in the appeal Chat was this very post specified as the reason for the blacklist and have i been given another chance to make amends?
The community muted the post because it contains much violence and was plagiarised, was other posts that was downvoted plagiarised ?
I don't know you personally but the way you act like the law and order both in the hivewatchers and comments here. I really do hope you have never made a mistake in your life before. But if you ever have? Then stop jumping on people's case if you don't have solution to there problem.
We humans are the biggest judge to ourselves when we ain't even perfect.
Lies ?
Please where did i lie ? When i said i wasn't cleared of the particular reason i was blacklisted other than hivewatchers saying my account is typical example of made to scam account ? Common man i know you are Nigerian and a Christian right ? If you are , then you would understand perfectly.
Nobody is above mistake , and if God were to count our sins for us and judge us everyday accordingly. Nobody would be left to be judged on Earth.
My take here is this :
I plagiarised a post and i got banned for it, not even that i translate and post in different languages , or transacting with a scam account. Why not give people second chances and they still default and plagiarise ? Nobody would blame you banning anyone .
According to Mr @Erikah , it's under this post that a clear reason was given to me. That i plagiarised, alright fine i accept i plagiarised and then what ? You are just gonna disqualify me entirely without even allowing me second chance to try again and then if i fail you can then ban me entirely .
It thought this was a decentralized platform? Didn't know it was centralized and had no room for forgiveness and mercy
The user was blacklisted for a mass scam with hundreds of recycled posts. The activity that was going on for at least a year. Didn't create any new content, just plain copypasta of previous posts. He got angry that it was discovered and that he was blacklisted. Sadly, he farmed out thousands of US dollars worth of rewards by that time. The user never attempted to come to Discord to appeal. Instead went into a trolling campaign of Hivewatchers with an attitude of self-importance and entitlement. After a few weeks, a few days ago, showed up finally in Hivewatchers Discord with an attitude, trolling Hivewatchers with demands. It ended up with a permanent blacklist with no chance of appeal, and the posts started to be zeroed out.
The user has been also actively supporting Steemit and engaging with Steemit, every day.
The first time that this user was asked to stop recycled post-spam-farming was already a year ago on 10 February 2021.
Very interesting accusations. I will be taking some time to review this. Thank you for posting some details here on the blockchain however. THAT is much appreciated for transparencies sake.
Stop trolling on someone's appeal that you have no understanding of, out of ignorance.
The user asked to be removed from the blacklist so he was asked to write an apology post. No other requirements for the blacklist removal were asked for.
The blacklist was related to selling rewards to a known scammer.
We never asked him to hold any signs to verify anything. The user did it without consulting with us.
Also, we never ask anyone to verify who they are by taking a photo while holding any sign because is never a valid form of verification.
Sorry! Mr. @world-travel-pro ! actually I don't want to say anything about this post of yours that has embarrassed me in public. I made a post about my apology and I did it on my own initiative by holding the paper and writing in it. I do it with pleasure! This is not a request from @hivewatcher or anyone else, because I want to be a little mature and start honestly to earn a little money for my family and share my experiences here. Why did you involve me in solving your problem?
This is the appeal procedure that has been done since 5 years ago. If an appeal is granted. Some appellants receive extra steps in the appeal. This user was only asked to write an apology post.
You have no idea about Hivewatchers work and how things are working around Hive as you have been busy farming "free money" with spam posts, and busy engaging on Steemit.
Very good questions to be asking Dan. When Hive Integrity is at stake a high standard of accountability to the owners of this blockchain should be explicitly required by the community. I don't think that HOW @Hivewatchers conducts it's self has been fully examined and decided upon by the owners it say's it serves. More transparency, more accountability, and on chain delivery of those things should be a given.
Clearly @hivewatchers needs to be reformed or completely done away with as a failed attempt at Hive Integrity as it is now eroding the platforms marketability.
But of course... if you ask it's proponents! They will contradict as usual saying the same exact static things.
That's like asking the barber if you need a haircut.
Hang in there.
Many of us have been through what you are currently going through.
Please stop. Hive is not Steemit and what you're implying is that Hive should be more like Steemit. Don't forget there was a hostile takeover in which Hive stakeholders lost millions and the rest of us dedicated an insane amount of time to helping build Hive together. Your approach in general is narrow sighted and frankly selfish. You're also blaming people who have nothing to do with anything and you have used a personal photo of an individual for your own campaign and benefit. (I don't even want to know the answer as to why you think taking his photos is acceptable, take that up with him.)
I'll repeat the same thing I did earlier: Please explain why you should repost, which tricks curators and readers into thinking its new content and is a type of fraud, but others should be held up to higher standards. We already had this discussion and I know the answer. But since you're bringing up all of this, then I'll ask.
And while you're responding, please do explain why you think Hive should be more like Steemit.
Thanks and thanks for letting me know about your situation with the downvotes. You may be unaware, but I have had most of my posts Zeroed on Hive since October. In my case there has been zero real jutification given beyond a loose 'you don't know shit about science'. I invited Curangel to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that what I have been saying is wrong, yet they have failed 100% to even attempt to do so. As with your case, most people can see that the downvoters are not being motivated by legitimate concerns and are carrying out some kind of agenda which has nothing to do with growing Hive. Who knows, maybe they are even double agents seeking to trash Hive from within, in order to promote Steem! lol.
Either way, you are right, many people are withdrawing support for Hive due to their reckless and stupid behaviour.
Here are a variety of relevant links to articles I have written. I have also created a dApp to track downvotes called the untrending report:
Your situation isn't related to Hivewatchers at all and is very different. You're writing original content and even those who downvote you know that you put a lot of work into your posts. That's a given. You're not recycling content because you couldn't be bothered to create something new.
One of the problems with the anonymisation of voting is that no-one really knows who is voting for who and why, most of the time. You are right that Hivewatchers has never downvoted me and I appreciate that - however, I have heard plenty of complaints about the downvoting that Hivewatchers does that certainly make them feel and look similar to what is being done to me. His comments about racism and verbal abuse have been echoed to me from far too many different people for me to be willing to disbelieve him.
He shouldn't be bringing up racism considering that he's asking for special treatment. I think what you're getting at is there can be an option on frontends to state why an upvote or downvote is cast (an option outside of commenting I mean). I believe some frontends are piloting this type of idea but this discussion isn't for this thread.
He shouldn't be bringing up racism considering that he's asking for special treatment.
I'm not really sure what you are saying here - he's described direct racism through verbal statements. Are you saying that disagreeing with Hivewatchers' decision is justification for racist attacks?
I think what you're getting at is there can be an option on frontends to state why an upvote or downvote is cast (an option outside of commenting I mean).
That isn't going to make any difference when there are openly sociopathic whales that even celebrate their state of mind in public. They aren't going to leave comments and even if they did it wouldn't change anything much when they want to autodownvote for their own agenda.
Bottom line is that there is a huge amount of hypocrisy, denial and unconscious activity happening in the 'community' here and it is being directly supported by some of the largest stakeholders who have had ample time to take action but who have mostly done nothing. If people want to create that for some reason, then that's their choice, but in highly competitive spaces, such as social media and crypto - it will only lead to nowhere.
He took a photo from an individual's blog and assumed that because that individual is of a different ethnicity to himself that it's racism. I can write an essay here about why this mentality is flawed but a basic google search can also answer this question.
you shared a screen shot proof of their racism, they are obviously lefty crybaby lunatics' thinking government is good and they are Hives "government" in their minds... they are sabotaging Hive and add no value... now as high rank witnesses there is no chance to catch up to them in stake (as a witness myself of 7 months ranking 122 of 97 active, there is no chance without being in their circle jerk club!
I said this many times in the past that we need to stop hivewathcers as it is. @guiltyparties always defends Logic, the person doing all this mess and it goes on and on and on.
If anyone wants to stop scammers and other shit, please create another service with someone else in charge. Hivewatchers have clearly done more damage to the honest community members. This is not acceptable.
Edit: I don't care about this post or any other post that got downvoted. I simply don't agree with the process of how things work with hivewatchers. Every single user on hive has been here for farming rewards in some way. Even hivewatchers used to vote their own comments and farm rewards in that way. The action is the same, it doesn't matter why it was done. But it doesn't give enough reason to treat every single user like a piece of shit.
The big stakes won't stop funding them.
No. Earning and farming are two very different things.
I agree 💯👍🏾 @tipu curate 4
Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 0/71) Liquid rewards.
100% agreed, still today this group of bullies are pushing projects off Hive while other chains offer funding & development support the whales and witnesses here mostly downvote and show jealousy only sabotaging Hive certainly not adding any value...
Much of this was the result of a legacy system from years ago and has been dismantled, also years ago. Users are in their absolute right to upvote their own content. The topic here is why some users think they should be allowed to recycle content, which is a type of fraud as it tricks readers and curators into thinking that the content is new, while all other content creators are working hard to create fresh content for our 7-day monetization window. This post wouldn't exist if there was a case of an honest community member.
Maybe there's some aspect that I don't understand as I'm fairly new to this community, but what if the readers and curators don't mind that the content is also being posted on multiple platforms?
If that was the issue then it would make more sense to just make people aware that the content is not exclusive to Hive and let the reader decide whether they still want to upvote it rather than making the decision for them by canceling out all of their votes.
There's no issue in posting to multiple platforms. Hive isn't in the business of restricting anyone on where else they can share their content. That's never been the issue at all and it's perfectly ok to have your content here and let's say on Reddit. The topic at hand here is that Hive has a 7-day monetization timer. Once that content is monetized, it's done. Content creators all know this (it's a basic function of Hive) and strive to have fresh content for their fans. When they see someone cheating the system by reposting, they report that account.
Is the issue that it's old content that was posted on a different platform a long time ago? I just just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
Regardless of this specific situation, I think the bigger issue is massive downvoting and blacklisting in general. It makes me really concerned about how easy it would be for bad actors to take similar actions. If Hive grows big enough then governments, corporations, and other organizations will surely use similar methods to centralize power and suppress dissenting voices.
👆 @jordand89 This is a very good point and one that I have been bringingUP now for about a year. It seems that people here do not want to think about the grater ramifications of continuing to implement Hive Integrity in the current undeveloped way. We need a Downvote but we need a Downvote that is INTELLIGENT and makes use of code so as to preserve the resistibility to central bad actors. Marketing Hive as a complete social tokenized solution will always be a hard sell to freedom minded investors until the finer points (like the one you have broughtUP here) are addressed and innovated.
Hi @jordan89,
Here's some of my initial thoughts about the re-use of prior content as a body of work. The problem with @guiltyparties rational here is that he is making this issue a black or white one. Clearly there is a line between outright SPAM of this nature... and the artistic process.
I think that this needs to be broughtUP as it isn't so cut and dry after all.
Here's my official comment on the idea that one should NEVER make use of their older content.
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/re-leaky20-r71uw8
@world-travel-pro and @ura-soul you might also be interested in the differentiation I am bringing to this topic. I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this aspect of the discussion.
@wil.metcalfe
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Hive and Steem are based on anarcho principles and to me, that means 'let the market decide' when it comes to economic systems. In that sense, I don't find it really natural or healthy for groups to be imposing their own rules on the free flow of economic activity. Actually, this kind of thing seems to always follow the same patterns/results - which mirror government/corporate control. There really is only 'anarchy' and 'not anarchy' - with staying in anarchy being somewhat of a challenge. It would be so great if the community agreed on things like this and decided to aim to stick more to anarchy - even just as an experiment. This doesn't mean the reward pool is totally open for abuse - if anything it means more engagement from a decentralised community who use their own downvotes in a manual way to address problems in realtime. Automation can be agreed upon, perhaps based on transparent smart contracts to remove totally blatant spam, or maybe not.
The other issues is the decentralisation of the token itself. Originally, Steem had a plan to decentralise the tokens as they saw this as necessary for Steem to meet it's destiny as a decentralised system. Then stupid crap happened and they never delivered on their claimed vision (maybe it was a lie all along). Anyway, we don't seem to have a real vision regarding the decentralisation of the token at the moment and the net result of that is that the biggest holders simply do whatever they can (within the PR vision they create for themself to justify their actions) to try to not let the token precipitate outwards.
We have, on the one hand, Marky complaining that there aren't enough (subjectively) good posts to upvote so he then upvotes software projects instead that can help Hive.. but at the same time we have many people complaining and leaving because they feel abused by the heavy downvoting and lack of respect/coherence in that process. The two things are connected - a lack of 'good' posts to upvote is due to a lack of people wanting to invest time into a system that is overly centralised and overly able to create feelings of disempowerment in content creators who feel they have an ever growing range of options online and don't really feel a need to get stuck in the Hive box.
Tech systems are human systems before they are tech systems, so a failure to respect and empathise with the humans involved in such a social system will always lead to system failure eventually. We need a shared vision among key stakeholders that respects personal will. We lack that currently.
No, it was posted right here. In regards to massive downvoting/blacklisting is in general no one on Hive would support or condone anything where a bad actor can just arbitrary decide. The chain also doesn't allow for censorship, it just doesn't. Anyone can add whatever content they wish to the blocks. We're currently looking forward to some big projects connecting and being built on Hive. Not going to spill the beans but there's some awesome stuff coming in the future.
I think of the whole downvote drama as rewards disagreement. Just as anyone is free to upvote content they support, so should anyone with stake downvote content they don't support as a consequence of freedom. Regarding censorship, people can still access what is posted on the backend even if the frontends don't display them and they can still get searched on google crawlers. I searched for those users that have negative reps way down the negative and their content can still be visible.
No one can deplatform you on Hive, you just don't get the social rewards of the 1st layer for the downvotes. But the second layer is another option where some tribes have a frontend that enables you to share your content and have it visible.
No one cares about who posts what on Steemit. I and many others do not log in or look at Steemit. We have Hive which we do use.
This is a Hive matter. That is why any differences of understanding should take place here where all Hive owners have a chance to evaluate both sides. Appealing to a 3rd party off chain makes absolute zero sense and actually is instrumental in perpetuating the abuse of those policing Hive at the moment. I have heard about the things that go on inside the @hivewatchers Discord... and let me tell you! THAT, as a service, needs to be reworked entirely.
A powerful man eats only enough rice to sate. The rest he serves to his dogs.
But do the dogs like the dog food. I think that is the question here...
That is the choice of the dogs. To choose is to be free.
It’s all about what you accept and what you plainly do not. I do think that many people do not want to speak openly about what they think… an over hanging DV could have something to do with this. Freedom is easier or harder depending on the social environment. Here I think that more and more people are self-censoring themselves. We all need to start asking the right questions and be more vocal about the underlying reasons for this… especially if we truly are a freedom centric blockchain.
When you're calm come talk to me on Discord and we'll start the appeal process. No matter how many posts you put up, everyone is treated equally.
@guiltyparties is this the hive equivalent of a domestic incident? Have you and logic broken up?
No we're still happily married.
How does he feel about “Walden?” Does he know?
Trying to help you. Hard to do that if you can't have a rational conversation.
You've been milking autovotes in forever with repetitive content and images from the same place over many posts. Try and act all innocent and ignorant all you want but that doesn't change your past or why many communities have decided to mute you from posting into them.
Hey. Sorry to interrupt again. I just noticed your photos don't show up on PeakD, most likely due to being muted within a particular community.
Now, I realize you want to get all snappy and be sassy but before you do that, I'd just like you to know, about a week ago I read a post highlighting the likely reason as to why you were muted. And it wasn't because of the downvotes or you looking bad due to downvotes. It was due to your behavior. Words like "prolific spammer" were used. A lot of people saw that post, but you weren't mentioned directly. I didn't know it was about you at that time. I've simply been studying your case since you brought it to light, put two and two together, got four.
Just thought you should know. I'm discovering there are quite a few things you're in control of changing in order to better your experience here but you need to acknowledge those mistakes first then move forward and on with your life.
There's no need to self-destruct over being inconvenienced when it appears as if the ball has been in your park the entire time.
In the end, it's up to you, I guess. Your posts look like crap now, the pictures don't show up everywhere, and that's your fault. So I'm 100% sure you can be at fault for finding solutions and fixing your problems as well.
Signed: "Scary monster" that's just trying to help.
Many curators have complained over your shit in forever, just telling you what I know, haven't really spent the time to analyze your posting myself but okay. Good riddance.
really i have seen it really often last days
As a casual observer of all things happening now, I must say this:
...was a prime example of shitty communication.
Are you feeling high on division or your contribution to maintaining division?
You should change your title for the following:
MIND BLOWING AND SHOCKING LACK OF KNOWLEDGE REVEALED BY ENTITLED AND SELF PROCLAIMED V.I.P. ON THE HIVE BLOCKCHAIN.
My eyes are open. I stopped curating you in 2020.
You're not special. Just because you're around for a while doesn't give you the right to abuse the reward pool with reposted content.
Definitely a surprising behaviour, coming from someone who portrays him self as a "highly successful person" (your own words).
At this point you're behaving like a headless chicken.
Wish you well.
I highly recommend everyone just hit play to this while reading this thread.
That's what it's there for. lol
Trying to police the internet is a losing endevour, shit shouldn't be left up to people but to machine learning algos that run the content past a plagiarism test and that is that.
There are certain parties that make a habit of quoting other sourced text to pad out their own stuff... And if it's used sanely and with proper source cited, then whatever.
Som folks just grab a bunch of text off somewhere and try and be sneaky, pass it off as their own for some potential profit, fuck those people.
Agreed, I don't follow hivewatcher but I remember before people bitching about it. I think once a human is controling such a service it is biased.
I'm placing you under arrest for the crime of wanting to fuck those people.
puts his dick away
I put it away officer. :D
Damn fringe minority...
Until? lol
That is inherently the problem with these things. If a person has a legit account them plagurizise it's hard to say if they deserve to be 2nd chanced or whatever.
Although the title and writing style is dramatic, and I don't fully know the situation, I can sympathize about these types of things.
There isn't much if any accountability on "who watches the watchers".
Hi. Is it Ok to repost content in your community? Once? On an industrial scale?
Don't let him fool you with his BS and logical fallacies.
The issue here is his simple blacklisting and subsequent downvoting for continued recycling of posts going back over a year.
https://ecency.com/hive-184437/@world-travel-pro/flash-back-to-the-old-norm-a-market-in-the-mekong-delta-can-tho-vietnam-2019-8-photos
This is the only issue involved that you are supporting by your votes.
Will this support of reward farming extend to the thousands of accounts that also get caught, if so, I am sure you can be furnished with a list.
I would need more detail than this. Are you saying he is taking posts from a year ago and posting them as if it was happening today?
Or are you saying he is posting the same exact article on Hive then putting it on Steem?
I've long said this, everyone should cross post onto Steem and sell their Steem rewards as soon as they get them and buy Hive. That makes Steem go down and Hive go up.
He was blacklisted for recycling on Hive, it started with that post link a year ago. The rest is just bluster and diversion.
HW do themselves no favours by throwing Steem into the equation which has confused people. I absolutely agree with you on this point about recycling their tokens and what people do off chain should have no bearing but in this case, it's just a simple case of someone reporting him for endlessly recycling content and farming rewards, no more, no less :-)
PS why has v4vapid stopped writing here? Always the most thought provoking and drama free alternative viewpoint writer on the chain. Send them my regards if you have contact please.
Hey, he has been busy working on deepdives. I haven't seen him around much either myself hehe.
Sorry what does it mean for recycling content and farming rewards though?
He is writing his own posts and then copying and pasting it onto Hive?
He republished articles written a year or two copy pasting the text and changing the image set to different angles for the same experience. If can ass himself to change the images when reposting, why can't he be bothered to change the copy pasted word content. His posts on steemit weren't factored into the equation unless they were posted prefork. The motivation here is just maximizing the autovotes for the least effort possible.
I see. That is no good.
Not a fan of reposting. I know it's a controversial topic, but I'm on the side of not reposting stuff unless I can turn it into new content. You won't find sympathy from me.
Other than that, HiveWatchers is the most laughable "community" funded project in this space. They are the Hive equivalent to a real-life temporary solution that entrenched itself to be a permanent operation instead of users having more fully functional community features and moderation tools.
They are one of the epitomes of inconsistencies when it comes to catching and committing the same abuse. But hey, most people will tell you that they are necessary and more good than bad...lol
Valid points. If you're willing to talk then I'm willing to talk.
I'm too mean, remember?
That's not it. We can't talk here but pick your chat if you're willing.
Your reply button returned, because you posted outside the community where you are muted. The mute doesn't allow you to post comments.
Nothing to do with this pile of screenshots you just posted or downvotes. Educate yourself before you talk and manipulate your readers.
And yet you do have the time to write a long post about "details" you don't know about...
You are here for 5 years, right?
That says a lot about your commitment.
I've been here that long and had no idea about this either. Leaving sarcastic replies and attacking people isn't useful.
Is it useful to use wrong information in order to achieve specific effect on your readers and portray yourself as a victim?
Wow! I am in shock!!!! I just planned to write more again but I rather let it be!
Who are the people behind?
Why would you even compare yourself to world-travel-pro?
Who said I compare myself to Anyone?!
I can read and see what’s going on. I am adult enough to judge myself what happens to a friend and actually many others I know since Steemit.
I do not like the undertone of your question!
You are here in the blogging world more/less as long as I am and should know better.
Have a nice day dear @acidyo
So why would you not write again because wtp is getting deserving downvotes for having milked low effort garbage posts in forever, effectively taken so much value from the blockchain without bringing much back in terms of quality. Seems you're the one who should know better or check a bit what the issue is rather than just reading what the abuser is saying and going off on it and not posting because you think hive is just evil and hits people with downvotes because they feel like it.
My apology to overlook your comment!
In short…..many members I do respect very much told me about the downvote topic and I was always against downvoting any content!!
I never said that HIVE as a community is evil.
I write on Steemit since June 2016 and experienced so much disappointing BS and unfortunately some of it was carried to this platform.
I slowed down writing first of all due to my health issues and if you would have followed my blog you might have read about my journey to fight breast-cancer.
Anyways….I still vote and curate content on HIVE as much as possible and WTP is one I do chose to upvote because I did not realize that he is so called “milking” the community. I find the content interesting.
I hope this clears your mind about my thoughts and decisions
🌺
Have a beautiful day and keep up your good job
I’ve been once a target! I know how it feels
Also massive tag lists almost always get you in shit, is considered bad form / manners.
Double castration imho
What’s the purpose in tagging me in this dumb shit?
Could you please at least try to be a little more passive-aggressive with those backhanded compliments?
I just ignore him.
Probably for the best. I'd prefer to talk him down from that ledge but the usual folks who latch onto these problems all while encouraging the downward spiral are already here cheering and defending his decision to jump so ... another one bites the dust I guess.
He's on his way out powering down and going through a predictable course by making the most noise as possible. I think 50 comments made for the last 30 days and 26 unique interactions different accounts says about his adoring fans. Those screenshots he used as a support were near or more than a month in age because not much yield to current state of his blogs. Just a guy posting for a quota copy pasting the paragraphs and changing the photos taken in the same place but tilted to a different angle capitalizing on autovotes going reeeeee.
It's not hard to see through the mask.
There's irony in the headline. I've often found it to be so peculiar how some people with a certain personality type often rat themselves out once confronted, but don't notice.
Why are you acting like this?
You've done nothing but try to insult me. Your behavior is childish. You started attacking me right away, once I pointed out you're attacking people.
In my case you looked at my profile picture, which is just a cartoon character I created, then assumed I must be some kind of 'evil guy'.
Do I have to change my profile picture to some kind of sparkling unicorn with rainbows and sprinkles just to get some respect around here?
Do you realize it's you that's falling apart? What you might think in your mind is a show of strength, is actually you acting like a complete basket case.
Something came along and jarred you from your comfort zone. Even one ounce of maturity and maybe a dash of professionalism and you'd have been out of the mess you created for yourself in no time. Instead you choose to dig your hole deeper and deeper then blame everyone that's not holding a shovel for the mess you're in.
I think you can do better. Unfortunately there's no point in listening to anyone who only sticks around to say they're leaving all while attacking anyone who refuses to take the bait.
I tried to help you here. I tried to help you in your post after this. Then I saw you trying to threaten and intimidate an entire community two posts after this. It's all on the blockchain and that plastic smile of yours is not enough to cover your true colors.
The ball is in your court; but at this point, due to your behavior and your actions, I don't give two shits or a single fuck what you choose to do with it.
Grow up, ditch the arrogance, and wipe the asshole you choose to use as a brain because you're getting shit, everywhere.
“Prominent”=nobody loves me more than me. Just ask me.
White boi
Although the title and writing style is dramatic, and I don't fully know the situation, I can sympathize about these types of things.
There isn't much if any accountability on "who watches the watchers".
I am still unclear on the situation here.
Someone has said he was farming content, what does that mean? Does that mean simply copying and pasting it from Hive to Steem? I'm not sure why everybody wouldn't do that, if you wrote the article you would cross post the exact same article to all your socials like Medium/Hive/Steem/Wordpress/and other blogging platforms.
What am I missing here?
Wow did your post get downvoted by the bullies?
My condolenses to you. I'm new here and am shocked to read something like this.
I thought this blockchain and the community was in harmony with each other! Dang!
Hoping this message finds you well!
Here's another angle you may want to consider... I left some thoughts about this black and white line of thinking...
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/re-jordand89-r724fl
By the way!
Welcome to the Hive Blockchain! 🙂
I wish that everyone would start focusing on what we have in common rather than what we have in contention... buuuut here we are! sigh!
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Hey Comet Ranker! Thanks for the welcoming words! There's a lot to learn here on HIVE so i appreciate any support i can get.
Yes, we must focus on community, this is what we have in common, rather than bickering and letting the ego get in the way.
Hoping this message finds you well and that you'll pop round to my page sometime! Looking forward to chatting with you again.
Stay safe and may the spirit of magic stay with you always!
He was caught recycling content trying to get paid more than once for it, don't fall for his bs.
Oh...wow...a lotta politics in this place...damn...sorry for prying...
Some people abuse the trust of others and take advantage of it. It's fairly common when money is involved.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
After reading all the comments, I feel it's a complicated situation.
Any decentralised network like Hive will never be perfect and we must work our way around to make the most of web3 social communities with a long term mindset.
I also received a minus from these people. And didn't get a single comment from them. All this is bad for Hive and its users.
I love all these proposals and funds moving into different projects but are there measures that these funds are actually being used and in line with the approved proposals?
Something that not a lot of people realize and something to keep in mind is that a person can plagiarize themselves. If you are re-posting content or posting the same thing in two separate platforms - Hive and Steem, then that is plagiarism. By your own admission, it sounds like you're doing both of those things. If their job is to stop plagiarism then it sounds like they are doing their job.
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No, it is not.
You might check the definiton here:
But why did you only highlight the first two bullets points of the definition? It's literally the fourth bullet point in your article lol
Said another way, to copy from one source and paste it in another, or to pretend that old content is new.
Regardless, I've been thinking about this situation for a few days now and it doesn't matter whether the behavior is plagiarism or not. This is a community run chain, and if the community doesn't like a particular behavior then they have the right to speak out and/or take action. We are essentially policing ourselves here. Many are okay with cross posting, but a very large portion of the community doesn't like it when it involves Steem because of the history there. Some dont really care and some look the other way in those circumstances. But when it comes to any behavior that is precieved as raping the reward pool - most people on Hive do care and they don't like it. There are a lot of behaviors that are perceived that way: Churning content and abusing autovotes to name two. I think if a person engages in those behaviors it becomes a "proceed with caution" scenario because there might be backlash, which is exactly the case in of what happened here.
To be honest, because I didn't notice it.
And I personally disagree. I think if it is my own content I can publish it whenever I like and wherever I want. If you publish my content it is plagiarism.
But you have a point that if I refer to that I link the fourth point comes closer to what we are discussing here in this case.
Well, I think it depends on, if one presents something (especially if it is a product or if one writes about science) as new if it isn't. Then that's probematic. I would mention my old post and refer to it in such a case.
I think HIVE is way to centralized to speak of "the community" when rather often a few whales overrule the upvotes of hundreds of smaller users.
Actually I think a very "large portion" (most splinterlands players for example) doesn't care, but especially the "top witnesses" react very sensitive.
Yes ... if smaller users are doing that.
At least when I was still active here some "top witnesses", for example former bid bot owner @themaximizermark, posted a very short shit post nearly every day and got hundreds of auto votes. As long as certain whales (or delegatees from whales) are too big to be punished for the same behaviour they themselves condemn, I see it very critical to "police" other users.
I'm certainly not an expert on plagiarism, especially when it comes to things like social media and "low stakes" endeavors. Things are obviously much more strict and regimented when it involves academics, research and paid publishing, which was where my biases were at the begining of this thread but aren't so much anymore.
I agree that a big portion doesn't care. There are people on both sides or the arguement. But in this case it's the people who do care that one needs to worry about if they engage in the behavior, as we have seen by their actions. If witnesses are perceived as being sensitive to the subject, that makes some sense to me since they have one of the biggest stakes in wanting the platform to be successful (not all of them, but many). Steemit failed and turned into a dogshit platform because of the rampant abuse on it, and people who want Hive to be successful don't want it to turn into another steemit so they are cracking down on said abuse.
Regarding your last comment: I agree that it is unfortunate that some big whales, some witnesses, and some people who have been on the platform for a long time also engage in these types of behaviors. I personally don't see that as a reason to also engage in the same behaviors myself though. I'm not saying that is what you are arguing or anything, I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for discussing in a friendly, sophisticated way.
I wonder if you possibly might confuse things a little bit here?
Yes, I agree that in average big stakeholders naturally care more about their investment than smaller stakeholders, because they have more stake at risk and invested more (in case they aren't just early miners or former bid bot owners!).
And even if some of them act amazingliy short sighted and selfish instead of being long term orientated, in general I understand why they might react more sensitive on abuse (at least abuse commited by others not by themselves) which they think might lower the value of the blockchain, the platform, the currency HIVE.
However, I personally don't consider posting a good STEEM post on HIVE as abuse. Even if you disagree (which is fine with me), in this case their sensitivity has nothing to do with the wish to protect their stakes, but is simply the consequence of personal involvement and frustration. Yes, I can understand their anger (I know the whole story, I am here since 2016, and I think that neither Justin Sun nor the HIVE witnesses made a good figure during the conflict), but being angry on anybody shouldn't be a reason to force anybody else to be angry, too, and act accordingly. :) In my opinion their personal conflict with Justin Sun shouldn't lead to stricter measures against users who repost STEEM posts than for example against users who repost Instagram posts.
To be clear, I think STEEM is completely lost (you mentioned some reasons), but that's not the point here in my opinion.
Well, of course not.
It's just ... if smaller users abuse the platform there is still some hope to solve the problem ... if the biggest ones are doing it (while at the same time fighting relentlessly against smaller, and often new and inexperienced users) then there remains not much to hope anymore from my side.
Well, I am a Splinterlands whale now (and withdrew about 400 k HIVE), a community which is much more decentralized than HIVE itself, due to many different, rather big stakeholders who act independently from each other, so that this typical HIVE oligarchy feeling doesn't exist.
I was thinking the same thing haha 😄
That's fair I think. To be honest, I don't know how I feel about it. I've abandoned Steem entirely at this point. One concern for me would be that if we want Hive to be a quality platform that people turn to for information and entertainment then we may not want any association with steem at all because if they are viewed as the same in any way then steems negative reputation will ultimately affect and cheapen Hive. If the same content is on both platforms then it compounds the situation as well, people will likely see them as the same, at least to an extent.
I think I can agree with that. I can't speak about the actions of others but I can understand that people who were screwed over by Steem may hold a scorched earth policy towards it and may use their power to hurt it in any way they can, even if those actions hurt users of Hive. I'm not saying that I agree with it entirely just that I understand it.
I don't know from first hand experience if this is actually happening but Yeah, I can agree that hypocritical and double standard-like behavior isn't great. If a person is abusing a platform and at the same time condemning others for doing the same thing, that isn't great.
That's awesome that you are a splinterlands whale now. Good for you! I actually don't know much about splinterlands but definitely feel like I missed the boat with it. Haha
The social media industry has always involved cross posting across multiple networks. The idea that Hive is going to grow while preventing users from cross-posting is ridiculous.
I don't think anyone has anything against cross-posting, except for maybe on Steem due to the history and similarity of platforms, although we both know they're not that similar anymore considering curation and why anyone would even attempt to still post there. In general we at OCD don't mind if people crosspost from web2 to Hive.
That's an interesting take... but I think I'm in disagreement here. Plagiarizing yourself isn't really a thing. When you consider entire bodies of work and where those creative minds drew inspiration it puts this in an even more stark light.
But just to keep this comment on point I'll stick to your statement:
Artists and creative people the world over build on bodies of work that they have compiled during the course of their lives. It's the creative innovative process (not to mention HOW talent comes to be in the 1st place!) and so I believe that this conversation needs this as a backdrop for context.
Here's an example of what I am talking about. The producer for the Documentary "Everything is a Remix" is now REMIXING his original content about REMIXING. Check it out! 🙃
annnnnd here's part 2!
With this as contex now I think we con constructively handle the objects our minds create... wouldn't you say @leaky20?
I'll also tag @jaki01 as he is here in the mix!
AND I'll link to the original author of this post since this is... HIS POST!
@world-travel-pro
I look forward to hearing each of your thoughts,
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
The conversation evolved and I later pointed out my bias towards the subject of plagiarism and stated that I don't think the plagiarism thing applies to social media or low stakes endeavors. In academics and scientific research you can definitely plagiarize yourself though, which is where my mind went in the begining when this came up. For instance, in research if you used information from a previous study you did you would have to site yourself and your previous research.
I'm not sure about all the nuances and how things work with photos tbh and things are/should probably be treated differently when there is no monetary gain being made, as in the case of Facebook and Instagram. I think thats another case really, but I'm also not an expert on the matter lol.
If you're writing something new, like a whole new post, then it's not plagiarism either. The way I read it originally in your post, was that you are copy and pasting the same article on both sites, which is plagerism and which, in my opinion, doesn't look great.
I'm not trying to be the police here or anything just giving my opinion. Take it as you wish
There are no plagiarism detectives, just community members who care enough to report things that they suspect may fall outside community guidelines.
Luckily people care and are community minded enough to do so but not you, dinosaur.
Look around, the platform is full of amazing content creators who have upped their game and are being rewarded well
Not just relying on old school autovotes. You don't comment or take part in community engagement or read other people. You just shit post, sit back and count the rewards.
You are an entitled, rude and obnoxious liar. You also play the big 'I am', but you're not. You're pathetic with your bragging in discord about how rich you are and how successful you are and threatening people there with your friends in high places in Hive.
You're actually really embarrassing yourself.
Another little point. In your long tag list, you failed to mention kohsamui99 who you chatted to recently, your old pal, best mate etc....can I just ask why he didn't get a mention?
PS is this the post you've been threatening HW with all week? If so, it's sadly disappointing.
Damn you're a pathetic little man lol....becareful calling people racists without reason. Lying will get you into trouble...
Great post, keep exposing these maggots.
I have pulled 250k HP out of Hive in the past 6 months, due to this downvoting.
Sadly the platform is being destroyed from within, and i am now using and investing in bastyon and blurt, as well as verbrainium.
For me, Hive is all over. If you use the #vyb tag i can give you a proper upvote, but my Hive votes are worthless now.
Hey @frot. Just a friendly heads-up. You might want to cancel that remaining powerdown. You'll need those resource credits in order to comment, post, follow, and vote, etc., on #vyb. If you drain it to zero, you've screwed yourself; hard.
i'm only draining it to 50 - that should be enough to keep me running
its just a last fuck you to the hive insiders...
I doubt your arch nemesis evil villains even care. If anything you're probably doing them a service LOL
I don't think 50 is enough though. You're already down to 90% with what you have after that burst up quick upvotes (POB? ;)
That'll take 12 hours to fully charge. Yeah I'd say you're screwing yourself.
Oh well, I can drip feed it back as needed, I still have over 5k liquid in another account.
It's all a bit symbolic anyway.
I'm not allowed to enter the library or many other places such as cafe's, because I'm not carrying papers to prove I'm pumped full of toxins, so having low credits on Hive is not a major!
Wtf? You're a dick in one space and friendly in another? How many people are living inside that noggin of yours?
But okay if you got it figured out, good. I'd say I wouldn't want to see you fuck yourself but after what you said to me over in the other space, I pretty much regret giving a shit about you.
So anyway. Fuck you. Have a nice day. See you next time.
Dude, being dicks is role playing isn't it? - anyway, I thought we were role playing, please tell me you're not taking this personally...
Hmmmm... I must look in this 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 ....
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This is really sad to read mate, I have noticed many wrong things with this platform and how many people have had the same or similar experience, especially in the last months, downvoting has become the new normal, it seems they want to get rid of people who have been here longer. I have been posting a lot less due to that, I thought hive was a platform that will not be censoring content (which clearly isn't the case because by down voting stuff they dont agree with, means they want to censor it in a way). I came to hive as I started seeing how social media is the most toxic place, to brainwash people and control them, censor and spread lies and fake news and had a lot higher expectations from hive and though this would be a good place to be, get involved with a non-toxic community and do what I enjoy doing - writing content and read others posts, especially when it comes to traveling. I know I haven't been over here that long, but I know how much effort you put into this and your posts have been consistent and obviously you've built a good reputation among the community. What they are doing is criminal and I'm sorry it's come to this. You deserve better than that! Karma however always takes care of those doing the wrong thing, and it's quite safe to say that hive wont last much longer with this type of behaviour. Without people putting content on, they've got nothing.
Thanks for all the content and all your efforts you've made over the years though, love your stuff!
I am victim of this downvoted circumstance for many weeks now , the only logical reason given to me was that my account is a typical example of made to scam type of account. And that was it, nothing more nothing less till date. I am still wondering who i must have scammed, or who i am scamming, if you find a particular post of mine to be plagiarised then downvote it and let me know why you did so in the comment section. Not blacklisting my account and downvoting everything there. I am just a student that keep myself going through with the little earnings i get from hive. I am just tired , it made me loss interest in hive for weeks now
You're a victim of your own self.
You may want to stop spreading lies. Check this post out.
Alright Mr perfect, in the appeal Chat was this very post specified as the reason for the blacklist and have i been given another chance to make amends?
The community muted the post because it contains much violence and was plagiarised, was other posts that was downvoted plagiarised ?
I don't know you personally but the way you act like the law and order both in the hivewatchers and comments here. I really do hope you have never made a mistake in your life before. But if you ever have? Then stop jumping on people's case if you don't have solution to there problem.
We humans are the biggest judge to ourselves when we ain't even perfect.
The truth hurts, isn't it? It hurts to be caught with a few lies.
Lies ?
Please where did i lie ? When i said i wasn't cleared of the particular reason i was blacklisted other than hivewatchers saying my account is typical example of made to scam account ? Common man i know you are Nigerian and a Christian right ? If you are , then you would understand perfectly.
Nobody is above mistake , and if God were to count our sins for us and judge us everyday accordingly. Nobody would be left to be judged on Earth.
My take here is this :
Thank you
According to Mr @Erikah , it's under this post that a clear reason was given to me. That i plagiarised, alright fine i accept i plagiarised and then what ? You are just gonna disqualify me entirely without even allowing me second chance to try again and then if i fail you can then ban me entirely .
It thought this was a decentralized platform? Didn't know it was centralized and had no room for forgiveness and mercy
@brianphobos @for91days @foxkoit @mahdiyari
The user was blacklisted for a mass scam with hundreds of recycled posts. The activity that was going on for at least a year. Didn't create any new content, just plain copypasta of previous posts. He got angry that it was discovered and that he was blacklisted. Sadly, he farmed out thousands of US dollars worth of rewards by that time. The user never attempted to come to Discord to appeal. Instead went into a trolling campaign of Hivewatchers with an attitude of self-importance and entitlement. After a few weeks, a few days ago, showed up finally in Hivewatchers Discord with an attitude, trolling Hivewatchers with demands. It ended up with a permanent blacklist with no chance of appeal, and the posts started to be zeroed out.
The user has been also actively supporting Steemit and engaging with Steemit, every day.
The first time that this user was asked to stop recycled post-spam-farming was already a year ago on 10 February 2021.
https://peakd.com/hive-184437/@world-travel-pro/flash-back-to-the-old-norm-a-market-in-the-mekong-delta-can-tho-vietnam-2019-8-photos
Very interesting accusations. I will be taking some time to review this. Thank you for posting some details here on the blockchain however. THAT is much appreciated for transparencies sake.
Your magic trick explained in this comment
Stop trolling on someone's appeal that you have no understanding of, out of ignorance.
The user asked to be removed from the blacklist so he was asked to write an apology post. No other requirements for the blacklist removal were asked for.
The blacklist was related to selling rewards to a known scammer.
We never asked him to hold any signs to verify anything. The user did it without consulting with us.
Also, we never ask anyone to verify who they are by taking a photo while holding any sign because is never a valid form of verification.
Sorry! Mr. @world-travel-pro ! actually I don't want to say anything about this post of yours that has embarrassed me in public. I made a post about my apology and I did it on my own initiative by holding the paper and writing in it. I do it with pleasure! This is not a request from @hivewatcher or anyone else, because I want to be a little mature and start honestly to earn a little money for my family and share my experiences here. Why did you involve me in solving your problem?
This is the appeal procedure that has been done since 5 years ago. If an appeal is granted. Some appellants receive extra steps in the appeal. This user was only asked to write an apology post.
You have no idea about Hivewatchers work and how things are working around Hive as you have been busy farming "free money" with spam posts, and busy engaging on Steemit.
Very good questions to be asking Dan. When Hive Integrity is at stake a high standard of accountability to the owners of this blockchain should be explicitly required by the community. I don't think that HOW @Hivewatchers conducts it's self has been fully examined and decided upon by the owners it say's it serves. More transparency, more accountability, and on chain delivery of those things should be a given.
Clearly @hivewatchers needs to be reformed or completely done away with as a failed attempt at Hive Integrity as it is now eroding the platforms marketability.
But of course... if you ask it's proponents! They will contradict as usual saying the same exact static things.
That's like asking the barber if you need a haircut.
Hang in there.
Many of us have been through what you are currently going through.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Please stop. Hive is not Steemit and what you're implying is that Hive should be more like Steemit. Don't forget there was a hostile takeover in which Hive stakeholders lost millions and the rest of us dedicated an insane amount of time to helping build Hive together. Your approach in general is narrow sighted and frankly selfish. You're also blaming people who have nothing to do with anything and you have used a personal photo of an individual for your own campaign and benefit. (I don't even want to know the answer as to why you think taking his photos is acceptable, take that up with him.)
I'll repeat the same thing I did earlier: Please explain why you should repost, which tricks curators and readers into thinking its new content and is a type of fraud, but others should be held up to higher standards. We already had this discussion and I know the answer. But since you're bringing up all of this, then I'll ask.
And while you're responding, please do explain why you think Hive should be more like Steemit.
Like I said in Discord, we'll talk tomorrow.
Thanks and thanks for letting me know about your situation with the downvotes. You may be unaware, but I have had most of my posts Zeroed on Hive since October. In my case there has been zero real jutification given beyond a loose 'you don't know shit about science'. I invited Curangel to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that what I have been saying is wrong, yet they have failed 100% to even attempt to do so. As with your case, most people can see that the downvoters are not being motivated by legitimate concerns and are carrying out some kind of agenda which has nothing to do with growing Hive. Who knows, maybe they are even double agents seeking to trash Hive from within, in order to promote Steem! lol.
Either way, you are right, many people are withdrawing support for Hive due to their reckless and stupid behaviour.
Here are a variety of relevant links to articles I have written. I have also created a dApp to track downvotes called the untrending report:
When Is a Censor Not A Censor? The Wider Implication of Downvote/Cancel Culture on Hive.
How Many Of My Upvoters Are Actively Using Hive? (Addressing Downvote Cancel Culture on Hive)
Your Comments On The Cancel Culture And Zeroing of Viral Posts on Hive By Curangel.
The Dynamics of DPOS & POB Pitch Money Against Freedom in a Constant Brawl for Decentralisation Over Centralisation... But We Will Evolve!
The HIVE FREEDOM PROXY: Over $1.7M Worth of Hive Witness Votes Available For Serious Free Speech Witnesses.
NEW Hive dApp: Hive Alive | Includes a 1st For Hive -> The UnTrending Report To Track Downvotes.
Gettr - Hive Competitor Gains Millions of Users Due To Support For Dr. Malone - Who I've Been Heavily Downvoted For Supporting.
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Your situation isn't related to Hivewatchers at all and is very different. You're writing original content and even those who downvote you know that you put a lot of work into your posts. That's a given. You're not recycling content because you couldn't be bothered to create something new.
One of the problems with the anonymisation of voting is that no-one really knows who is voting for who and why, most of the time. You are right that Hivewatchers has never downvoted me and I appreciate that - however, I have heard plenty of complaints about the downvoting that Hivewatchers does that certainly make them feel and look similar to what is being done to me. His comments about racism and verbal abuse have been echoed to me from far too many different people for me to be willing to disbelieve him.
He shouldn't be bringing up racism considering that he's asking for special treatment. I think what you're getting at is there can be an option on frontends to state why an upvote or downvote is cast (an option outside of commenting I mean). I believe some frontends are piloting this type of idea but this discussion isn't for this thread.
I'm not really sure what you are saying here - he's described direct racism through verbal statements. Are you saying that disagreeing with Hivewatchers' decision is justification for racist attacks?
That isn't going to make any difference when there are openly sociopathic whales that even celebrate their state of mind in public. They aren't going to leave comments and even if they did it wouldn't change anything much when they want to autodownvote for their own agenda.
Bottom line is that there is a huge amount of hypocrisy, denial and unconscious activity happening in the 'community' here and it is being directly supported by some of the largest stakeholders who have had ample time to take action but who have mostly done nothing. If people want to create that for some reason, then that's their choice, but in highly competitive spaces, such as social media and crypto - it will only lead to nowhere.
He took a photo from an individual's blog and assumed that because that individual is of a different ethnicity to himself that it's racism. I can write an essay here about why this mentality is flawed but a basic google search can also answer this question.
I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing.
I am referring to this:
Reveal spoiler
Are you saying that this person is actually also white, but has an asian style image and that it's therefore ok for them to ridicule based on race?
you shared a screen shot proof of their racism, they are obviously lefty crybaby lunatics' thinking government is good and they are Hives "government" in their minds... they are sabotaging Hive and add no value... now as high rank witnesses there is no chance to catch up to them in stake (as a witness myself of 7 months ranking 122 of 97 active, there is no chance without being in their circle jerk club!
You should use a litter box then.