Why I won’t be compromising with Justin Sun

in #steem4 years ago (edited)

At this point, it seems like most of the community is in agreement on one thing: they don’t want Justin Sun here. The primary disagreement seems to be how to achieve that. From what I’ve been told, even Justin himself has said he doesn’t want to be here. He just wants to get paid to leave.

So the purpose of this post is to list the reasons why I don’t think it’s a good idea to pay him to leave and why I won’t be participating in any such deal via coding support, money (among other ideas, I’ve been told via intermediaries that Justin would happily sell Steemit to me now), or even as a simple endorsement of a deal.

What’s the value of Steemit Inc now?

In my opinion, Steemit Inc has nearly zero value now

Wait, what about the Steemit stake it holds?

While it controls a stake with a quoted value of many millions, it will never be possible to realize that value now. My best guess is that it is worth around $200K USD, and that's only if the owner considers it ethical to dump the stake that was promised for development. My estimate of its dump value being so low is because it can only be dumped slowly, which will give the market time to see what's coming.

This is also one of the big reasons why Justin is lobbying to get the powerdown rate changed to something like a day. The faster he can dump it, the more value he can get from gullible buyers who think they are getting coins cheaply, never understanding that the coins they are buying will never regain their value, because all the value is going to leave (more on this point shortly). Time is not on his side in such a dump, because the more information people have, the more they will realize that what he’s selling won’t be worth buying.

As a side note, all the above is one reason Steemit got sold to Justin to begin with, in my opinion. Ned has dealt with Steem long enough to know that he was unlikely to extract the value just by dumping it and he didn’t have a plan for how to profit by using it for development (he tried that and failed already). So instead he sold the company for less than half the value of the Steemit stake and was happy with the deal.

Wait, what about the IP and developers?

When Justin acquired it, Steemit absolutely had some strong value, in the form of intellectual property, branding, and experienced blockchain and frontend developers. But now, all the developers he acquired are gone (they’ve all quit).

Branding, good will?

Despite all the mistakes it has made, Steemit Inc also had some good branding and good will from its role in starting the Steem blockchain. But almost immediately, Justin began destroying that via his public statements and actions. I don’t want to rehash that, because almost everyone else has already deeply analyzed those actions (most reasonably with a few bizarre exceptions).

At this point, Steemit Inc itself has no community to support the value of a coin it controls: the only community here is the Steem community, not the Steemit community, and it mostly wants nothing to do with Justin (some are even willing to pay him to leave).

What option does the Steem community have if it won’t compromise?

Before long, we will launch a new coin that is essentially a re-branded hardfork of Steem, airdropped on all Steemians, without airdropping to the Steemit stake. This new chain will maintain all our collected posts and our transaction info and will support all the same Dapps we’ve come to know and love.

I believe all the economic value will move to this new chain and the chain with Justin's stake will ultimately just die. He can keep his chain running for a while, trying to find uninformed people to sell it to, but it’s not going to last long with no devs, no real plan from Justin on how to keep it alive, and most of all, no community to support it.

In other words, I believe the value in your existing Steem coin account will migrate to a value in this new coin. And I believe the value (i.e. the price) of the existing chain will just drop as Justin dumps on that chain.

I see this as a big win for the community and particularly existing Steem holders, as we free ourselves from an entity that has just been dumping on us economically for a long time, without properly returning that value with enough technical development or publicity.

Another cool thing, from a marketing perspective, is we will be a literal demonstration of how a community is what gives a coin value. We should make every effort to capitalize on this in cryptocurrency media, just as we’ve done so far in our DPOS vote fight with Justin.

Does the community have the skills to operate a blockchain?

We have more developers committing to work on this new chain than we’ve ever had before. We already have a team of 36 experienced developers, including key devs that were involved in the initial development and maintenance of Steem. And new developers are joining us daily. By contrast, from what I know, Steemit had 4 devs, and currently has none at all.

And we don’t just have devs, we have marketing people, business people, artists, and idealists. Our combined efforts can do far more than a narrow-minded, profit-driven Steemit ever dreamed possible. As many here know, the community constantly reached out to try to help Steemit, and was continually rebuffed. We plan to be be the opposite of that, with an all-inclusive, decentralized approach to development, marketing, and on-boarding.

Does the community have the resources to launch a blockchain?

Yes, we do. It’s actually much easier for us to launch a chain, because of the many lessons we’ve had operating the Steem blockchain. And as far as financial resources go, several prominent Steem stakeholders have privately offered both computing resources and significant financial support, including my own company, BlockTrades. Even at this early stage, I’m utterly convinced we have sufficient support to launch and develop this new blockchain.

We’re also already hard at work lowering the costs of operating the servers that power the Steem ecosystem (web sites and Dapps). We’ve identified key areas where we can dramatically reduce operating costs over the costs paid by Steemit and we’ll be ready by launch to deploy these higher efficiency API nodes and services.

But isn’t compromise always better?

One of the first things we’re taught as children and often taught again in life, is the importance of compromise. Generally speaking, compromise is often a good idea. But compromise is not always the right choice: 1) it usually fails when you can't trust the other party to keep a compromise agreement and 2) it doesn't make sense to compromise if the resulting value trade is uneven. Both of these apply in this case, I believe.

Making any kind of deal with Justin at this point would just be a case of handing over dollars that we can use for development to a guy who can still go after Ned for financial restitution as well. Any payment to Justin represents both an economic loss to us and a potential financial win for him (since if we pay him off to leave, he can even potentially profit off a legal recovery from Ned too). From both an economic and moral perspective, it makes no sense to compromise with Justin.

What about exchange listings?

Some of our community depends on the ability to translate their Steem into fiat money. They will not be forgotten in this move. To protect them, we will need to get exchange listings. We’ve been in promising talks with some exchanges already, without disclosing too many details to them, and I’m sure we will be able to obtain plenty of listings as we show that our chain is the true community chain. But no matter, I’ll do whatever it takes to make sure we have one exchange listing within days after launch.

We win by fighting, not by compromising

The ongoing fight with Justin has been and will continue to be a huge publicity win for us. We are getting more publicity now than we have had in a long time.

Steem has long been ignored by most of the crypto-space as a failed project of Dan Larimer. We are now being giving the opportunity to show that the community we have is so much more than that, and that we can emerge under the umbrella of a new coin, as a dominant player in decentralized blockchain development. Our strength is the personal contacts we have with each other. We are not just strange looking addresses on a blockchain, we share more than just number transactions, we share ideas, beliefs, and fellowship with each other.

More to come

Now, one thing I haven’t done here is lay out all the details of what we will do with our new, revitalized chain. There’s a lot of ideas for that, and some obvious first steps. But the long term plan is one we will need to build together. The important thing now is to align on what we value and how we want to approach the future. Not everyone on Steem may stick with us, and we have to accept that. But we should reach out where we can, if only to save them from losing money investing in a Justin-run chain (that is mostly why I’m writing this post now, even though I haven’t had a chance to express all of my own ideas or the ideas of others for future work).

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I commit to this 100%. I will be providing all of my available development resources and blockchain knowledge to the new chain.

The Steem technology will not die, but the Steem blockchain, as you said, has little to no value remaining. I look forward to helping create a new beginning for this community that has already been through so much.

The new community in the new chain will have a real sense of ownership without a looming threat hanging above their head in the form of illegitimate, ninja-mined stake.

There are some exciting times just around the corner. I implore the community to hold tight and keep your eyes and ears open.


To be clear, I think Justin Sun, and likely Ned Scott, should be criminally charged for their actions. Due to this, I fully agree that Sun should not be awarded at all for the damage he has caused. @justinsunsteemit doesn't even engage with the community unless he thinks they will benefit him and vote for his sock puppet witnesses.

Eli Powell is constantly lying or spreading a false narrative about what is to come. I hope everyone takes this opportunity to continue their efforts on the new chain WITHOUT the stain of SteemIt, Inc.

Eli has no dignity what so ever, therefore i consider her to cancer along with Justin and that piece of shit @ned.

Thanks for everything you've done in regards to soft fork, you will always have my vote. Fuck tron, fuck centralization, fuck justin... nono, fuck all of them

How did Justin get control of Steem? Believe me, I am not a fan of Justin or any "leader" of crypto. It goes against the very reason I got into BTC after the 2009 fiasco that opened my eyes to a corrupt and tired fiscal environment. outdated tools and unethical practices were so prevalent, you might as well hand over the fed TO lying manipulating quacks( oh wait, the nation did it). So with that out of the way, Justin keeps crytpo in the mainstream and he has done far better than most of us at a very young age. Hopefully, he will grow up and become the Gates of my son's generation. You should all stop nagging about his take over of Steem. If you can do better, do it and keep the insults to yourselves. YaZEN -"see the tears but don't react, be prepared for a massive onslaught and attack"

Yep, that's why we left the chain :)

Insulting him is the least i can do after he called our witnesses hackers and usurped the chain.
We used to call this place "home", now its nothing more than a blockchain.

Feel free to support everything crypto should stay against. :)

Cheers

Eli Powell is constantly lying or spreading a false narrative about what is to come.

Really? That would involve communicating with people - and I've never seen much evidence of that!
lol

Ya I'd have a lot more respect if she would quit alongside the devs and Andrarchy. But Steemit is her religion and Justin Sun is her priest :-/

This is so big, unheard of! Cheers to all of you! !BEER

gosh i have like so many questions. are we waiting for andrarchy to get the new dpos chain done from scratch or are we still attempting to hardfork justin out of our lives and then make our chain the most popular chain, while koreans and tron can do with their chain watever? is blocktrades talking about using existing steem sourcecode and just starting a steem blockchain totally from scratch running the same code? what time frame are we talking about?

Blocktrades post is talking about using existing Steemd code, with some modifications, on a new chain with an entirely new token.

It will not be stained by SteemIt, Inc or the SteemIt, Inc stake.

Then we can use the blockchain hardfork technology to implement bigger changes in the future.

The Steem blockchain that Tron has destroyed will still remain in tact for Tron to continue to destroy I suppose. Up to them.

but using the existing blockchain transfering all data and savings, and not starting from an empty blockchain? so that we have steem on that chain right from the start and dont have to worry about loosing all steem in the process of a tokenswap, but can slowly transfer over trons copies of the tokens?

HI & rEsteemed!

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I will be more than happy to migrate to this new chain.

We should not feel obligated to remain on a chain where the largest stakeholder is completely hostile to nearly the entire community. We should not feel obligated to go down with the proverbial ship. We should not feel obligated to maintain a presence simply for the sake of being an opposing force.

Let the centralized chain rot in its own incompetence and arrogance. We will move on with little more than a blink...and will likely prosper once unleashed from our four-year burden of poor leadership and wasted funds.

The albatross will no longer be around our necks. We should seize that opportunity to make this new chain what Steem could have been years ago.

As long as it's a swap, so we can exchange our STEEM for the new crypto. I would hope this would be done in a pretty seamless fashion like BTC and BCH was, for example.

The BTC-BCH split was a fork. If you had bitcoin before, you now had bitcoin on both chains. Blocktrades mentions this will be an airdrop, such that all existing STEEM holders will end up with two tokens (except for Sun).

A swap is distinct in that it requires users to trade or destroy an old token for a new token. That's an interesting model to make sure the new token holders actually care about the project. But ultimately you'd lose the automatic adoption you get from an airdrop

It'll be like bcash but it wasn't a swap it was coins on both chain, you'll have sell on one side as fast as possible to buy more of the other side.

I don't see why exchanges wouldn't support it, Most likely none at start.

Yes they do, maybe they don't lists scamcoins with pre-mines for free through.

So, in the new chain SUN's STEEMS will be removed and Freeom/Pumpkin still be the king?

agree 100%.
HIVE should have free accounts and a kickass mobile app. Anything other than that, and we are left with the same problems of onboarding. Let's do the next one in a smart way.

Exciting news. When Justin will be stuck on his precious chain ran by his sock puppets, he should keep in mind that with short period power downs, he won't be the only one dumping... His stake will be worthless by the time the whole community dumps its own old-STEEM.

I support such a revolution and change. I will give my 100% to support the new chain with infrastructure and experience learned from being a witness and managing servers.

I shall await for the announcement, "Attention all Steemians, Abandon Blockchain, repeat abandon blockchain...Women and children first, proceed in an orderly fashion to the Hive lifeboats and make your way to the SS Hive."
"Not you J.S. Blye, a Captain goes down with his blockchain."

yup. Assuming JSun pushes through short powerdown as soon as he is in control of super majority of witnesses, I would be highly surprised if the market caps of old Steem and new chain don't flip within a week. EVERYONE is going to dump their Steem as soon as the short powerdown is pushed through, and almost all the current Steem whales are on board for new chain.

Better yet, we can convince exchanges Justin Sun is an attacker and he lied to them already, and the world, they could just swap the ChainID for us and we keep the original "Steem branding". The big problem with not going this route, is Bitcoin's hard forking talent into oblivion, no one works together on seperate platforms.

The short power down period would only be for Steemit stake and the 3 Exchanges. Everyone else will have a long Powwer Down period to keep them from dumping.

Hey old buddy! I've been on Steemit only intermittently the last while and have no idea what is going on. Sounds like good news, though?! Everything will just happen, though - nothing for me that I need to do?

Good timing as I now have a ton of content lined up after years of prepping and sorting a lot out. I should be able to be posting quality content 2-3x a week now. Excited if this is a new beginning for all of us!

Gosh! I love this!!!
I hope HIVE will have a good dApp finally.

2020 is already the year of revolution. It's about time we take the future of our community into our own hands.

I, for one, will provide my knowledge & skills towards any goal that is beneficial for this community.

Damn right, 2020 is starting to change to the surface of the world. This year is unique in many ways.

YES! I'm 100% onboard with this @blocktrades!

This is the first time I have seen something that feels truly solid in the course of this entire shitshow. There are so many things about a move like this that feels right... from being a win for our community to the broader picture of it being a win for both DPOS and decentralization on a meta level. I believe this would not only save the community and everyone's years of sweat equity, but it will also be a "watershed moment" in terms of what can accomplished by a group of people working together.

I believe the exchange issue will fall into place, in time. It may be difficult for some in the short term... but the proof will be in the pudding, so to speak.

I was trying to warm you up for this the other day. Glad to have you on board and excited for the new opportunities!

Yes, I remember... and I've been letting that "marinate" since then and it seems like the only appropriate way to go, particularly if there's overwhelming support in the greater community!

And what better time to actually DO this than while so many of us are cooped up at home with nowhere to go due to corona chaos... so we can get the "new and improved" community off to a flying start!

I'm all aboard :)

Just please, please don't name it steem classic.

"classic" sounds like old, obsolete. Now we have a chance to distinct ourselfs from steam gaming platform (google always asks in the search option: did you mean steam?:D )

We've got a much cooler name in mind :-)

Good because I would flip the table if it were to be called Steem Classic. lol

Would you flip the table if it was named “BROchain?”

Because it might be BROchain, bro. :)

Do you even crypto, bro? 😁

Sounds like a gambling crypto. lol

To me it sounds like a faucet that hands out free crypto for poker and casino style social entertainment with zero risks.

SWARM, BRANE, PROOF
Those are my suggestions if name's case isn't closed.

SWARM was close!

Swarms = communities ??

darn it... now I almost wish for a new user name.... Can we have nicknames also?? no worries if not.

I'm using an app called SWARM, it's a location checkin and review app.

Great to hear!

thats good :)

I hope it's a good one! The name "Steem" has always been highly disappointing... doesn't reflect what the coin does IMO :-D

Awesome, a rebrand will reflect the fresh start!

It will be called NEDCHAIN to honor our beloved ex-leader.

oh, no, lets get better names ;-)

Also please don't name it like Synereo Plus or SynerSomething alike :P

Im glad you said it. Damn. 😀
If we fucked up like that again id turn red. lol

If we fucked up like that again id turn red. lol

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

lol! Please no!!

Agreed. Actually, the token holders should be voting on the new name. It shouldn't be decided by anyone but the majority of the community.

In fact, the entire fork and new features to be added should be voted on by the entire community.

yeah.. plz NOT !BEER


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My two bits of advice: Don't take a long time to release the new blockchain. That's like the games that stay in early access for a long time, so by the time they finally reach full release no one is paying attention to them anymore. And name it something that doesn't include the name "Steem". Not only should the new blockchain and coin be an entity unto itself without hearkening back to the Steem branding, but using the name Steem has always been a point of confusion for some between Steam the game platform and Steem the cryptocurrency. It should be a new and unique name.

New name is Hive. And we'll be moving quite quickly on this one. Most of the delay was making sure we were ready as far as the code, testing, and servers were concerned before we made any kind of announcement that might tip of Justin Sun.

Just for your information: one of the oldest social networks in the Netherlands was called 'Hyves'. I've set up our first date with my wife in 2007 on that platform. Many fond memories..

However, at some point a venture capitalist came along, bought it, tried to turn it into some game platform, which failed miserably.

Let's learn from experiences.

Fellow Dutchie waving

So cool, I met my wife on Hyves as well 😃

It all started with a 'krabbel'...

Hive sounds cool!

Hi, Hive! This is a beautiful name!

Nectar would be better

Hive...? I get how the community sort of acted like a hive and stung off those trying to exploit which is kind of cool in that light, however... A hive is generally to my understanding a hierarchy with a queen which is like the total opposite of freedom/anarchy.

I Googled the science of it more and some people are saying the queen in a hive doesn't really rule and there's a form of Democracy, though, it still seems like hive is often associated with a "hivemind" and "groupthinking" as opposed to individual sovereignty.

I think that critics of this effort will likely start referring to us as "buzzing drones" and "clones", are you sure Hive is the right way to go? The community and tech are what's really important in my opinion, but, a name can have significant implications as well.

Hive doesn't roll off the tongue that great in my opinion, though, it's not that bad either... I think the community will do well either way. Just thought I'd say something cause the word Hive doesn't fit as well with freedom as I might like.

Hive was chosen by a group vote, and I suppose it has different meanings to different people. In the future, as we start exploring ways to improve the chain, I'll share my own ideas for why it can be an appropriate name.

Thanks for your response.
Does the broader steem community even know who this "group" was that voted on our future name? It feels like this was decided in secret without the broader community having any input or say and the name is an important factor in my opinion, it's not "nothing" the name does matter.

One other question. Did you check to see if you have the legal ability to use the name? There's already a Hive Blockchain company, are you sure there's no conflict there? And I mean... Wouldn't it be nice to have a name that is original, new or unique and not one that another crypto company already uses?

I didn't see any poll crated to make the community choose the name. Didn't even here about that in discord. Maybe they just wanted to support the hive communities created. Anyway, we have the right to stay in both chains and see what will happen. We worked for years to spread steem name in the world and it will be hard for us to explain everyone that's hive now. Also in twitter there are already a lot of people talking about #hive and they refer to something related to bees. I don't really know what to say. I also created a poll in twitter and 50% voted to not fork. I don't want to leave them behind. They are like a family to me !

awesome stuff! i have one question:
if i start powering down all my sp right now, how would that affect the future air drops in the forked chain?

I think it's better to not power down before the fork is ready. There will be an airdrop and you will be able to get more of that new hive power ! I think the amount that you will have in steem power will be the same in hive power !

wait. i'm assuming the airdrop is gonna inlucde SBD, STEEM, and STEEM POWER based on a snapshot, meaning even if you're powering down the only difference is liquidity. i guess we'll find out. i gotta wait 5 days anyway before all my delegations are cancelled.

To be quite frank, which is a natural fault of mine of which I just can't help at times, lol, it is totally the wrong name for a new site. Basically for two reasons, first being that many people feel the site is to centered around a exclusive group of people, that it's hard to garner new users and keep them when they are at a disadvantage over it. Many feel, and many that have left feel this way, the platform is centered to the advantage of a few select groups. Second would be that the new name implies such and the fact that people were left out of the decision process to determine or vote on a new name implies such, and implies there's nothing going to change in regards to that. It's one "hive" of people whose at an advantage and decisions will be based on just what they think is right regardless if a majority of users aren't happy with the decision. It would be totally different if a group of people came down with a list of choices and said the new name will be based on which name gets the most votes from the community....not that that will quell much in the decision making process complaint department as most people know how that's going to come down anyway, as the bees will leave the hive to sting the shit out of the upvote button regardless if they know it's going to kill them in the end.

Hive is just totally the wrong image, unless of course you actually are out to portray the site as exclusive as to how it's run. You won't be attracting more bees with less honey.

I don't agree.
This wasn't something planned years ago, much less two weeks ago.

I applaud the quick thinkers who took a name, ran with it and made it happen.

This doesn't seem like an online poll situation.
Time is of the essence!

Think of having your own "HIVE" @apolymask, what is more FREE than that?

Hive Coin... I effen love it .... Steem will always be remembered like that first girlfriend that you exed after finding a real one.

I guess it really depends on how you look at things and what the word Hive means to you, like most words it has numerous different definitions and ways to interpret it and you can choose to only see the positive ones if you want to, however, I think what's even more concerning than the negative implications of the name is how it was done in secret among a smaller group of people as opposed to the whole community out in open in the "sunlight" so to speak in a truly decentralized manner.

And in regard to your last metaphor, I've never exed any women like that before so I can't really relate to your analogy or line of thinking. Sounds a bit insensitive or dishonorable to me, but, to each their own.

Hive has too many negative connotations, how about HONEY?

To be clear, I mean HONEY as the token name, Communities can be rebranded to Hives, but you'll attract more flies with HONEY.

But then we can't call the scandalous types, Hive Turkeys.

I see your point here @r0nd0n.

What if it was the Hive blockchain and the HONEY token?

Holy shit,that's golden.

Yeah, I also think the community could choose a better name.

we kinda broke out in Hives in response to the Sun allergen 😁

Hive has too many
Negative connotations,
How about HONEY?

                 - r0nd0n


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Hive sounds great! Do you already have a Logo? 😊

If thats not the case, i would try to create something. Maybe you like it. Its up to you then. I make it for free to give a little contribution.

Edit:
Hey @blocktrades. I finished a design for a Hive Logo now:

https://steempeak.com/steem/@remotehorst23/hive-logo-contribution
Hope you like it.^^

Maybe if you made the internal shape of a hive, it would look better. But the decision in the end is for the majority, if it really is a decentralized chain

Thanks, i will try out your idea. It sounds good. Not sure if it works well in terms of balancing (could look too "sharp and hard"). But i try a few things with that. I will let you know when i update my Post.

Steemcleaners can't wait to become Hivecleaners or Hiveminders :-)
Or Hivewardens? Hivewatchers?
We need to come up with some cool name to fend off TRON trolls, abusers and spammers coming in :-)

Dang, I thought it was going to be a surprise announcement. We shall shed our steemian skin and become hiveians!

Perhaps a name related to decentralization will be better. The story is clear: a community migrates from its formerly centralized platform to a decentralized place. The name has to spell out the most key aspect about the place.

I get that Hive likely spells out that community is the most key aspect. But the connection is not readily obvious, it's obvious only to insiders. It has to be explained that Hive is about community. Whereas a name that spells out decentralization will be instantly understood.

This is a very good point.

Getting to the core essence of your most important message and presenting that succinctly is one of the fundamentals of real marketing.

There's no decentralization here and never has been, get over it.

Hive will be seen as HIV. I don't like it.

or HIVE or HVE also.... give me a hive five for this one! hehehhe

HIV really isn't a name nor pronounce it that way.

I like this name!

What about the logo @blocktrades ? Will it be the same or we will have a new logo as well ?

New logo for sure!

Will our hive communities transfer there as well ? It's one of the most important thing. I'm building that for months and already 200 subscribers are in @dcooperation

Please! a nice dApp !

Interesting name. I suppose the communities could be called "colonies" or something like that. What programming language is it being written in?

Core code is still C++, we're only making minor modifications there in the initial launch.

I like Hive, but at the same time it sounds a bit obscure... at least is my feeling about the name. Why not, "OpenChain"?

New name is Hive.

Love the name of the new blockchain. :)

I like the word "Elysium" and I think it somehow explains current situation.

From Merriam-Webster:
"Elysium, or the Elysian fields, was the home of the blessed after death."

After the death of old steem, those who had good will, will be there.

Steem has also been confused with Steam Powered Giraffe

yup.... HIVE COIN sounds better the more I say it.

In Solidarity! Will make sure that the new chain is in adherence to the values putting people and decentralization at the fore-front. Any other attempts or interests if arises will be prevented by and all resources available.

... putting people and decentralization at the fore-front.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

I'm absolutely committed to providing my development resources and knowledge to a new chain, and would be interested in joining this team of ~36. I'd also hope that we allow for more input into the decentralization of the chain, as the problems around the ninja-mine (not the ninja-mine itself) imho, mostly stemmed from the fact that the stake was also able to control governance. I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control. LMK how to contact you/this team and I'll get started. Cheers!

I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

Disagree with implementation there, although SP limit does make sense. I was looking at changing number of witness votes, even a 51% attack gets hard when you have to figure out how to split that 51% amongst 4 witness votes, and still have all 4 in top 20, just to get a veto.

We are in agreement that more massaging of the witness voting scheme needs doing. Yet to carry old baggage to the new incarnation of the chain seems to be setting things up to fail in advance. If STINC's was the only ninja mined coin, then a surgical @null|Mr. Sun makes sense yet it was not. Now @freedom will have greater influence and Bernie can be an even bigger bully.

This is exactly what I was talking about re: Bobinson about ninja stake vs. governance issues. I'm totally ok talking about bernie and freedom once governance is stable and, imo, fixed by not allowing the outsized influence. If freedom could only vote 1 witness, and that guy got #1 bc of it, I don't care tbh. It's when one person can control a supermajority of witnesses that I have issues, and that's my issue w/ governance overall. ninja mine would have been a lot less of an overall issue, if it could only control 1 witness per steem.

as the problems around the ninja-mine (not the ninja-mine itself) imho, mostly stemmed from the fact that the stake was also able to control governance. I

Well said. I have always thought the same. Its not the ninja-mine thats the issue but how it was used or rather not used.

'Put someone you hate in charge of the system, does it still work?' has been all over discord lately and it's so true. 'Would you prefer x in charge?' misses the point entirely for me. It's about decentralization, not about who is in charge. There shouldn't be a person 'in charge'. Getting rid of the ninja stake only gets rid of the ninja stake. It doesn't solve the problems we've had regarding decentralization, since the ninja mine didn't cause those either, it just made them super fuckin obvious.

There shouldn't be a person 'in charge'. Getting rid of the ninja stake only gets rid of the ninja stake.

I wish more people understands this. If we need decentralized system as we claim it is, the system design should be done in such a way that there should be hard coded rules that will not change with people's ego. The way I look at the current drama is a failure by the design to incorporate multiple scenarios. It must be remedied in the long term.

I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control.

Exactly!

Send me your email via steem.chat and I'll add you in.

Or you can email me directly at dan thatfunnyatsymbol blocktrades.us

I would also like to be included in the team. I work on a team with two other developers to build blockchain-as-a-service solutions (formerly steem-as-a-service) and would like to be a voice for LTS blockchain and DPoS governance improvements.

Emailed directly, steem.chat (?) has weird issues for me sometimes. Steemit.chat has expired ssl

Ok, invite on the way to your inbox.

Great News! How do you plan to handle the Airdrop for the exchanges?

Full plans for the airdrop, including important info for how exchanges can choose to support the airdrop will be via a Hive group post tomorrow.

with no kyc please)) Voice chat on telegram had 2 messages/24 hours 2 days ago. Nobody impressed with that innovation by Larimer.

no kyc needed, proof of keys only

Does it need master/owner key or will active key be enough? I lost my master/owner key long ago but I am still here because of the latter.

All keys on the new chain will be the same as the old chain.

Thanks for the answer!

I believe you would already have a great plan for the airdrop. I wanted to share a small thought on this.

I would like to recommend that people should be able to manually login and claim their airdrop instead of getting the airdrop straight away based on their balance during the snapshot. And for the accounts that don't claim their airdrop within a specific period / deadline date, we can probably burn them or cut them from supply.

That method can be unfair to people who lose their keys and later find them (it happens) or who are simply away for a long period of time for reasons beyond their control. Anyways, in cases where keys are permanently lost, the stake is effectively out of the supply anyways.

yes like being in an ICU unit with no internet access

Hopefully not, but especially at this time it is a very good point, unfortunately. Anyway the airdrop method being used will preserve those coins for what we hope is any such community members' hopeful recovery.

An airdrop for Binance so they could play the same trick right away(???)

Great News! How do you
Plan to handle the Airdrop
For the exchanges?

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Just do not HODL on exchanges. :-)

That. Yes. Exactly. LOL

So essentially you announce a steem fork.

Now to the golden question. How will the airdrop work? Do we get one new steem for each steem we have powered up or what? When will the snapshot be made?

Formal announcement from group with snapshot date for airdrop will be announced tomorrow. This post today is just my personal statement.

Cool, thanks !

Alright @blocktrades, It's been "tomorrow" for almost 7 hours.... The suspense is killing me! lol.

Too bad our steem is locked in binance for the airdrop snapshot. Any recommendation?

Formal announcement from group with snapshot date for airdrop will be announced tomorrow.

Starting a new chain built on theft will not be great karma in my opinion.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

There's no theft: Steem will still exist and so will those tokens. This is a voluntary movement by people who don't want to support the value of those tokens, when they were promised for development and people made decisions based on those promises.

This is one of the true wonders of blockchain technology: it allows people to freely associate, disassociate from those with differing principles, and reform as a group again, all on a voluntary basis. At the end of the day, the value of the coins on both chains will be determined by the values of the supporters of each coin.

@blocktrades Please take care of two things:

  • Make the new coin scarce. Much lesser supply than steem will look good.
  • Too much inflation is not good, make it reasonable.

Well an arbitrary decision is being made as to whose tokens will be brought over and whose will not. You are bringing more baggage with you. STINC was not the only Ninja Mined coins.

With your proposal @freedom will have more influence with witness placement than ever before and @berniesanders will be an ever bigger bully in the new pond to name but a few.

If you are learning from past mistakes of the DPoS experiment then my recommmendation would be to leave the old baggage behind. Perhaps start all existing accounts off at 500SPs.

It's your project so your call. It just has no interest to me to get rid of one bully and raise up others. A level playing field seems the way to go for true decentralization if that is your true goal. My guess it is not. Just have to wait to see the OpenSeed has to offer. Maybe the best of all chains by allowing one to come and go among all the splinters of the STEEM community.

If you are learning from past mistakes of the DPoS experiment then my recommmendation would be to leave the old baggage behind. Perhaps start all existing accounts off at 500SPs.

That sounds nice but it doesn't work as well. The new blockchain needs the financial support of some whales, else it fails. Because someone has to pay for equipment.

@blocktrades already said he is working on a better REP system. My guess is the the new chain as a "carbon copy" of the current STEEM DPoS implementation is just the start.

The implementation and even DPoS itself should evolve from there.

They already are aware that without further development it will fail. This very blog post says so.

Putting funds in the SPS system will eliminate the need for whales. In my opinion, the choice to bring the baggage is for self interests not anything as practical as you are suggesting.

@ned->@justinsumsteemit->@freedom

Are you and my Mom dating again? :)

what about tokens held on binance? will binance support? or better to move to steem account for snapshot?

the big boys can get one, everyone with the username penderis gets x 10 because that is better and some of the people who know penderis and have less than 10k stake. Totally fair.

Sounds like a plan!

Great, motivating post!

As you may know, for several reasons I am (was?!) in favour of seeking compromises, because ...

  • I saw the benefits of the financial resources to support STEEM development and the promotional skills of Justin Sun.
  • I fear(ed) that with no exchange listings of the 'new STEEM' its value in USD may approach zero; good to know that you have some ideas/plans for bringing it to the exchanges.
  • I fear part of the community might get lost after a separation (for example I really would miss the Korean community).
  • As the STEEM blockchain is kind of a long term storage of my ideas and thoughts I wondered what happened to all my articles (this fear seems not to be justified according to your post).

However, your post made me somewhat more optimistic and calm, even if I still wonder about which exact consequences such a fork would have.

If the fork will happen I really suggest to limit the witness votes per account to prevent that single individuals are able to appoint the majority of the top witnesses (again) and thus control the whole blockchain.

All I'll say is this:

  • I'm not against this.
  • I won't be boarding any hype trains.
  • I'm not easily swayed.
  • I'm not easily impressed.
  • Don't let me down, because I've had enough of that shit.
  • I adore this community.
  • I don't want to quit.

I think you’ll be surprised to see what we’ve been able to do in just a couple of weeks as a rag-tag group of malicious hackers that have also been simultaneously fighting a benevolent dictator. I don’t believe there will be much “hype” - just a lot of truth and some choices that we’ll all need to make.

I hope to see you on the new chain, as your work is one of the shining examples of creativity in this community.

I hope to see you on the new chain, as your work is one of the shining examples of creativity in this community.

All I need is a place where I can focus on that. I deleted the rest of this comment because all I did was go off on a tangent highlighting a few frustrations from my past here. I have a feeling this community only wants to move forward now.

I share the same frustrations too but let's give the fresh start a chance... Maybe this whole Tron situation was a blessing in disguise hey?

All blessings wear a disguise.

Except me, the blessing without a disguise (although could probably do with one to cover up that mug in my profile picture) heyyyyy 😉👉

Yes we all want move forward but I think we need to keep the knowledge and wisdom of past frustrations/mistakes to guide us forward.... If not we will be doomed to repeat it all...
If we are to move forward with a new chain we will need to keep those past frustrations front and center and do our best to remedy them in the new chain.

I agree. 100%

Live and learn.

Good to know that there are developers working behind the scene to actually make this possible. We'll be holding to your word though, we expect to see great things! 😉

Just for the record, I consider Justin Sun a malevolent dictator.

I think he would disagree with you. But you’re probably blocked by him, so he can’t read this anyway.

Just in case...

@justinsunsteemit

well said.

I don't want to quit... but ill be planning my next hiatus nonetheless. ;)

Everyone knows the difference between a vacation or time off and quitting.

I've been back a month, and that's the first thing you say to me?

It's nice to see you again, Self-proclaimed Asshole. ;)

A downvote on the "second coming" post was a statement,, i think. ;)

I proclaim to be any naughty name anyone would call me. Im a little pink faggot boy as well.

Certainly haven't lost your charm. Did you downvote me? I didn't notice.

Well its under an inch. What can i say? Sometimes you just dont feel it. :(

Don't feel sad. You're just a late bloomer.

It is sad that it comes to this, but Justin does not seem interested in compromise. Let him have the Steemit brand and we will get on with changing the world. I trust the community witnesses far more than him. They have shown they know what they are doing and that they care about the platform. Despite what some people allege most of them have not been making a profit.

I really don't care if my tokens lose some value for a while as long as we can keep something going. Steem still has great potential, but Justin did not seem to care about that.

All hail the New Steem!

I'm in. I've been a witness since October 2016 (a time when the business was still run by Ned and Dan). Never too prominent, always floating around 50-60 in the witness chart, but with more than 10,000 posts (probably 10% articles). I was attracted by the initial promise of the blockchain, a promise which have been repeatedly broken, by various events or actors. I also wrote - just for fun, but I can do more - one of the first dapps, http://steem.supply (now a bit in the limbo, because it was relying on steemit API node).

My point is, I am one of those real people that wants to contribute.

https://steempeak.com/steem/@dragosroua/new-beginnings

You will get your Rewards on the HIVE @dragosroua

I am boarding this train.

I understand the intensive fight that has been going on over the past few days but it is time to pull the plug.

If Justin Sun can have his friends at Binance open up withdrawals for him and only him so he can affect consensus, how far will is he likely to go.

There is no chance for a win-win. I will not work with Justin Sun.

I only ask you put up a roadmap so we can start preparing for the exit. Meanwhile we can sustain the fight and hold off Justin long enough for the new chain to be ready.

Roadmap coming tomorrow.

Wonderful. 👍👍
Please include the parameters for the airdrop. 😊😊

It will be 1:1 STEEM/STEEM POWER/SBD from Steem to a new chain.

Nice. I am so excited.😎

Dang you do move fast!

Steemskate community will also be migrating to the new chain.
We skate for decentralization.
100% in.

Let’s go and make some improvements to governance along the way. I’m with you.

I am IN! I've been planning on doing a crowdfund for my short film with IndieGoGo AND Steem, and now all of my plans are up in the air. Justin is actively throwing the chain into chaos on purpose, so how can I trust this ecosystem with my film? I am so bummed by this. Maybe I continue forward with Steem for now and then migrate everything over when this happens.

Speaking of, what is your timeline? I'd like to know, seeing as my film is partially dependent on this ecosystem.

Thanks for the heads up!

Timeline is very soon (ASAP).

Excellent! Looking forward to the transition.

I didn't agree with the initial soft fork, mostly because of what I saw being said by some people.

However, I fully support this action. After seeing what has been going on with binance tacitly supporting @justinsunsteemit, it is obviously pretty disgraceful. That's not how anyone should operate in the blockchain space at all.

My project has a good relationship with a top-50 exchange. We will list there soon. I'd be happy to serve as an intermediary (for free) for trying to get NewSteem (Hive?) listed there, hopefully for free.

I'll also keep covering this issue for Blocks99, which also gets translated into Vietnamese. Hopefully, we can all pitch in and do what we can and help the new chain grow more organically and community-wise than this one.

Good luck and best wishes!

Question, will the airdrop be done to liquid and/or powered up STEEM?

if we would do that, i think it should be exact copy of current state. powered up, sbd, liquid, savings. that feels fair.

to both, and SBD too

That's great! I feel it's the right thing to do please leave out non supporters!!

That's great! I feel it's
The right thing to do please leave
Out non supporters!!

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Excelente. Hasta ahora he leído cada uno de los comentarios, y he aprendido muchísimo de todos. Pensaba justamente en eso y me parece genial esa forma de hacer la migración. Aplausos y todo mi respeto para ustedes.

Excellent. So far I have read every single comment, and learned a lot from everyone. I was just thinking about that and I think that way of doing the migration is great. Applause and all my respect to you.

This brings up a good question. Will Hive have a SBD like stable coin? I hope not.

The structure of the new chain will mirror Steem initially. From there any changes the community wants to make can be made, including SBD. No doubt some will want to get rid of it and some will want to improve it. Possibly some would want to keep it the way it is, but I don't know many in that camp.

I'm really excited about the potential here for the value this community created to finally be represented without the dark cloud of the pre-mine and failed Steemit, Inc leadership hanging over us.

Another cool thing, from a marketing perspective, is we will be a literal demonstration of how a community is what gives a coin value.

YES! I just posted last night about how the value is always with the community. This could be a huge win not just for our community but for decentralized communities everywhere. Power (and value) to the people. :)

As an activist investor in our community I agree and support this take. I wholeheartedly agree that steem inc the entity that Justin Sun bought has no value. We as a community will create value in the new blockchain. Whatever help the community wants we will step up. Thanks for the effort @blocktrades

This is GREAT news!
Thank-you to everyone involved in forging this new way forward.
I have known for a while that Justin Sun can't be negotiated with. He has not given us a single reason to believe that he is a man of his word or a reasonable person in any way.

It is refreshing to have something positive to look forward to.

I'm in and have been waiting for this day for many many years since it became obvious long ago that Ned and his amateurish ways were incapable of properly running things.

A true Community Steem chain is what some of us have been dreaming of and it's day is fast approaching. #cant-wait

Very exciting, well written and motivating article.

I’m packed and can’t wait to move.

Finally, things are going to move. Enough of this stalemate.

100% behind the whole idea. Let's fork first, stabilize the new chain, get some listings, and then discuss and implement new stuff. By consensus and with community governance.

A stupid question when I may?

Will Steem based assets, currently locked at exchanges, be airdropped too? Some exchanges might just not do it. Poloniex, for example.

Hive on 😀👍

Heck, I just might set up a witness node myself. Finally. Especially when your hint about lighter setup turns out to be real.

We will ask the exchanges if they will honor the airdrop to their customers by taking a snapshot at the airdrop time. For the ones that don't agree to that, they won't be airdropped and customers will have to withdraw their Steem from those exchanges to receive the airdrop.

Thanks a lot for the answer. It shows too how serious and dedicated to the whole idea you are. An idea which will become a reality shortly and swiftly, I hope.

Time to buy and power up some Steem :)

!BEER

You don't need to power up.

You might be right :)

I hesitated while typing the sentence above and added and power up later. Powering up is meant as a gesture of support. My tiny contribution won't change the big picture, of course.

On the other hand, powering down Steem to get rid of it will be a nuisance, Plus it won't be worth much when the big dump starts.

What do you intend to do?

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Rather than echo what so many have already said, I'll keep it short & sweet.

THANK YOU!

And...

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I fully support the coming new chain. The best possible outcome and a big win for the community.

Soon the world will understand that Steem is not Steemit inc.

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This is a historic moment in blockchain. We will NOT let Justin Scum or his bitch-ass mafia exchanges crush our freedoms!

Finally.

Been waiting for this announcement for a while. I hope the "stalemate" bought enough time.

Yep, that was pretty much the plan, lull him into fighting the wrong battle and false narrative of a "stalemate". He's seen this as a token battle, when we've all really known it was a battle for community solidarity.

Ese fue un golpe certero.

That was an accurate blow.

100% Behind this move. Can't wait to finally see the 800 pound gorilla (steemit inc) out of the picture. I'm sure Sun and Ned can work out their problems privately.

Oh I'm sure they've already done A LOT in private 🤣

That's why they seems very happy, they have private meetings every single day. lol Did you see Ned changed his logo in twitter after he sold everything. lol He seems selling something else as well. lol

I'm locked out of my regular twitter today, so I haven't been checking as much :)

Will be so relieved when this nightmare is behind us all... It happened quickly so hopefully it can be forgotten quickly too! :D

Ok. Let's go.

This is for the first time I see you agreeing to something against STEEM.. Time brings change to everyone!

Will you reach out to news agencies like Cointelegraph, Coindesk etc to generate a greater (initial) attention to the a/the new chain?

Many people are involved in this effort from around the community, including ones with good contacts to the various crypto news sites. They will definitely be contacting them about the new chain and our fight.

Many people are involved from the community, and they will be reaching out to various crypto news sites to spread the word about how we plan to fight Justin Sun's takeover via Hive.

Not everyone on Steem may stick with us...

Its very simple...

  1. Is @steempeak coming with us?
  2. Is @theycallmedan coming with us?
  3. Is @anyx coming?
  4. Is @ocd and @acidyo?
  5. Is @splinterlands coming? (Justin can take @aggroed but dont you take Splinterlands away from me! :) )
  6. Is @dtube and @heimindanger with his: "Whoops, i should have probably thought it through before i tweeted it." ;)
  7. And at No7... Is @berniesanders crazy ass coming? Steem is not Steem without Bernie.

Marty with his cringy memes was right. Steem is us. So do something.

Im not a witness, i dont get payed to run nodes. Im not a highly payed creator. Im not a big investor.
But ive been spreading our plight on twitter where ever i can.

I dont make calls. But you do.

Make a decision.

Yes.

But I've been spreading our plight on twitter where ever I can.... Amen!

Sounds like somebody is afraid of completely losing their delegation. Maybe you could try making a better product that people actually want to use and support instead of milking STINC’s ninja-mined stake, which you’ve had for what, two years now? And the results have been what - “Steem sucks and we’re making our own token.” ???

And you criticize Blocktrades for actually providing services and development for the community while you’re doing what - begging Justin for delegations for your sub-par project?

You’re pathetic, bro. It’s one thing to be a useless twat and a drain on the rewards pool. It’s another thing to bash someone who actually provides tangible services and value.

And in case you haven’t noticed, what Blocktrades is offering the community here is the very thing that you and Justin Sun are failing to provide: viable options for users and investors of this blockchain.

Grow up already. The whining and crying game is overplayed. And if you think Dtube has a future with Tron, you’re delusional. At some point, you’re going to have to sleep in the burning bed that you’re making.

[7:23 AM] heimindanger: atm I need steem purely for the rewards

That seems a bit extreme to me. No one person represents the entire community, but it is true blocktrades has had many different conversations with many of the community and as the comments here already show, there are plenty of people in the community (including high-ranking witnesses who have the trust of token holders) that do support this effort.

If blocktrades and those who support this effort do get additional exchanges beyond just blocktrades, will you take back your statement here?

Launching a new chain when the current one is being sybil attacked with the very stake promised to support the community is a far cry from "fascism" IMO.

If you want to be treated with decency, maybe start by not calling people a "bandwaggon of brainless monkeys" (or claiming they are mine). There is definitely a group of people that, IMO, don't treat others with respect, but maybe they feel they are just responding in kind.

I remember in the very early days running a IPFS server to help when you were first testing out DTube. I remember using it, working through the bugs, trying to help test things and bring about improvements with suggestions. I think projects like DTube are important for Steem, but I think some are frustrated to see people supporting Justin and Tron even after they attack Steem and continually go back on their word again and again. A neutral position is one thing, but at some point it seems like playing both sides, even if it screws the community.

Dtube would be fucking awesome if we could change things up so videos could be rewarded for a longer period of time, even indefinitely, most youtube videos don't get the majority of their hits in a week. This new chain could be the place where the kinks get worked out. Just my possibly over optimistic opinion.

"They" being a handful of people, yes? I've been on downvote bots before also. I get it. It sucks. I can also understand why people would be frustrated with someone moving to a new chain, and, from the perspective, abandoning Steem after this community has tried to promote DTube all this time. Maybe there were other solutions that could have been worked out (and maybe can be now on a new chain not limited by Steemit, inc) to ensure longer payouts on evergreen content.

Maybe a separate rewards pool could take some inflation and only pay it out over a long period of time (6 months, 1 year, etc) and a poster could choose which bucket they wanted to be rewarded with. Or maybe an SMT is the way to go.

If there is an airdrop would you opt-out of it on the new chain?

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Could you stop being a dick, man.... Who is it youre rebelling against?
At least these guys acknowledged a common goal despite disliking each other.
Ats is being an asshole with that comment but youre like that youtube channel: "I hate everything."

use your brain for once you mongoloid‚

That was good, ill give you that. 😂

So youre irritated by those that dont appreciate your work? Welcome to crypto.
Where no one is your friend and everyone wants to shit on your token and what ever effort you might put into anything.

they will also null @dtube's stake on the fork.

Who said that? lol. Im all for Koreans being forked out, which will most likely (understandably) not happen, but someone forking one of the biggest dapps on Steem is ludicrous. The likelihood of that happening is about 0.

null @dtube? Do you really believe that?

i want to hear what is your solution for this? even a blind man can see that justin is doing what he planned from the beginning and he does not give a fuck. new Roy plays lost man that has no idea what is going on and just speaking about win-win ("i don't know why is he doing that, i will go talk to him, but i want a win-win is all he knows how to say). So if this continues, in few weeks we will have a justin sun version of steem and in few months when he finds devs steemit will migrate to tron. he will do it even if there is no one here, just to be able to announce it. So what is your take on the solution?

Not if I thought that $1 was shit. But instead you imply the new chain will have real value and you will want to be a part of it. Gotcha.

@heimindanger

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Would have replied to you also in Discord but you have me blocked as you are sending me death threats. Lol. Don't catch the beer virus on the way to put me in my grave.

Fascism... Thats waaaay out of question, not even remotely associated to this situation.
Populism, sure, i can see that. In situations like this pandering to popular opinion is more then appropriate. Its actually the only time it is appropriate.

Determining a definitive feel of the pulse of the community before making a major decision on a platform that lacks democratic decision making, while you know major stakeholder opinions.

Downvoted because you don't even participate in the voting process of consensus witnesses and I have a free downvote. You got your bribe. Go to TRON with DLive. Nobody is buying your shit-token anyway.

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Meh! Have a nice week and remember to wash your hands!

Barely anyone here is as deep into this game as you are and so most people can't understand your point of view. Don't let them offend you, it's not worth the nerves. You have all the right to stand your own ground.

D.Tube could work with STEEM and HIVE at the same time after all, while still utilizing the full potential of the DTC. So you don't have to make any bets and people also should not try to push you around here @lordbutterly

I think we should wait for the other real witnesses to stand up and talk about the HIVE fork, while also take actions to further unite the free STEEMians of the world. If the lower-ranked STEEMians would be as united as this post suggests, the ninja stake would not be a topic of these kinds of posts anymore for a very, very long time already. But that last part is only my humble opinion.

@heimindanger you seem to be having some sort of mental distress. Should we be concerned for your well-being? Are you a danger to yourself or others?

Please reach out to those that can help you in this apparent time of need and seek professional help if that is what will aid you towards recovery.

Cheers and please get well soon.

I am with this 100%. As I said in a post I made soon after this whole mess started, I will support a community-supported blockchain with my dev skills. I have been working on some stuff and I can't wait to share it on the new chain.

We have the advantage of distributed collaboration and it's innovation far outpaces and outweighs that of a single company with warped intentions.

first: I don't know much about the dev stuff and steem inc

but

Wait, what about the IP and developers?

When Justin acquired it, Steemit absolutely had some strong value, in the form of intellectual property, branding, and experienced blockchain and frontend developers. But now, all the developers he acquired are gone (they’ve all quit).

This tells me that Ned at least should have communicated with the devs,
And that Justin should have done the same BEFORE making any deal.

When you buy something like a plane with a nav system, engines, seats etc. you want to be sure that the stuff that keeps the plane airborne does not vanish overnight...

About forking time amigos
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Great post with a clear vision. We‘re involved in setting up a new exchange. I’ll put the new coin on our proposal list as sonn as everything is in place.

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I support the newchain "HIVE" 100%. Exciting times ahead, boys and girls! Fasten your seatbelts!
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I bet the tokens name will be HONEY (HON)! That's what hives hide, HONEY

¿Daniel en el foso de los leones?

Brilliant! I'm all for this! (for what it's worth)

The ninja stake will soon become zombie stake in Sun's grimy, sleazy authoritarian (tiny) hands!

Just this afternoon I was getting fed up with some of these fake Steem users:

The worst part of #SteemHostileTakeOver is all the smug & deluded fence-sitters who still want to prioritize negotiations & look down on those who ardently oppose Sun's scorched earth policies.
Y'all are human versions of sock puppets, playing right into that clown's hands!

We are in support of this, and will advise our Partner Builders as well!

Why the Blocktrades STEEM fork is a good thing

Ohh really? After the new chain is up I will invest more. It's not much but I see this chain as a 10 year investment fund. I surly hope that it would be safeguarded for this kind of things.. I will also hold the promise if I win the lottery I will invest a little part 1 million in the chain. I would have bought the stake of justin to save steem with it but I didn't win yet... 😉 it is also a promise of a year ago. I don't have a pension build up yet and I'm almost 50... now with that corona virus... working in construction instead of it... lost all my funds in bitconnect if all worth just will be taken over... then it would be a promising chain. Maybe the first open-source chain build and maintained by the community.

I see a lot of potential in a new chain without Ned, Justin Sun, and the Ninja Mine holding us back. It is clear by Justin Sun's actions (and inaction) he doesn't care about Steem and only wants to be able to dump the bag Ned sold him.

We have the opportunity to build something without a dictator hands around our neck.

Steem has had more marketing in the last few weeks than we have had in the last 4 years. Not for the reasons any of us would have wanted. The Ninja Mine has always been an issue for investors. In the past, we have been very lucky that Steemit Inc has honored their promises and did not vote witnesses and used the Ninja Mine for infrastructure, development, marketing, onboarding. Two out of four is better than zero out of four I guess. Most of us were fairly confident that Steemit Inc wasn't going to vote someone's post or vote in their own witnesses or influence governance. That confidence is all gone under the new regime.

While I would prefer to see Steem become the best blockchain and #1 on CoinMarketCap, my faith in that happening has been lost.

I actually never threw a bamboo spear in my life, in fact never any spear. Although I did track and was a javelin thrower, it's similar but made out of metal. That was a long time ago, not sure why you would bring that up now.

Yet you downvote plenty with all your accounts...

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I'm 10000% in support of this. Justin has proved far beyond any doubt that he's an asshole(I'm not sorry for calling him that😐). He's like Corona Virus to this beautiful chain. Fork his fucking head out. Let him run an empty chain. 😑

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